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pornguy 05-19-2005 02:43 PM

An interesting thing that both Bush and Hitler did
 
I have been reading the book, " The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich " This book was written based on the factual papers that were taken after the second world war.

Hitler, with a lot of work, and help was able to get himself appointed Chancellor in 1933. But he was NOT in total control of Germany at that time. He still had to get rid of the president, and the " Congress " So, one of the first steps that he took was to burn the " Reichstag " Which I guess is like congress, and blaming it on the Communist. The day after he did that, he petitioned the President, and got signature for " The Defensive Measure against Communist acts of violence endangering the state."

Could you imagine that the decree laid down : Restrictions on personal liberty, on the right of free expression of opinion, including freedom of the press; on the rights of assembly and association; and violations of the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications;and warrants for house searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.



No, dont this sound just a bit like the partiot act???


Just a rant.
Discuss.

Serge Litehead 05-19-2005 02:56 PM

this "bush" thing wont stop until whole world dresses in stripes under stars.

Rorschach 05-19-2005 03:07 PM

i totally agree, it is history repeating itself... the bush administration is clearly fascist... except they've got more money, global reach and much worse weaponry than hitler ever had. :(

Huggles 05-19-2005 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy
I have been reading the book, " The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich " This book was written based on the factual papers that were taken after the second world war.

Hitler, with a lot of work, and help was able to get himself appointed Chancellor in 1933. But he was NOT in total control of Germany at that time. He still had to get rid of the president, and the " Congress " So, one of the first steps that he took was to burn the " Reichstag " Which I guess is like congress, and blaming it on the Communist. The day after he did that, he petitioned the President, and got signature for " The Defensive Measure against Communist acts of violence endangering the state."

Could you imagine that the decree laid down : Restrictions on personal liberty, on the right of free expression of opinion, including freedom of the press; on the rights of assembly and association; and violations of the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications;and warrants for house searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.



No, dont this sound just a bit like the partiot act???


Just a rant.
Discuss.



I've read the first 500 or so pages of that book myself.


Hitler was militant throughout his entire "career" in politics. He was a walking bomb that you could see a mile away.

pornguy 05-19-2005 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huggles
I've read the first 500 or so pages of that book myself.


Hitler was militant throughout his entire "career" in politics. He was a walking bomb that you could see a mile away.


Sounds like you just described Bush as well.

Herb Kornfield 05-19-2005 03:12 PM

The world just keeps getting made more and more nuts. There will be a backlash once the people get tired of the shit were being fed.

budz 05-19-2005 03:16 PM

http://www.youre.nu/?media=dick-cheney-speech&cat=wmv

benc 05-19-2005 03:17 PM

Only problem is every Democrat but I think one voted for it.

Nydahl 05-19-2005 03:18 PM

I think we must wait like 300 - 400 years to read objective truth about Hitler.Today he is considered as killer of 49 000 000 people but I am afraid he must have been little more then this.
I am no fan of Hitler but facing the truth - he was very skilled conqueror and he made such a great things in following his new world idea.
I am not saying his idea was good or bad.

Rich 05-19-2005 03:19 PM

I can't think of one major difference between Bush and Hitler besides the genocide. Bush's actions have so far mirrored the actions of Hitler during his rise to power.

I've often asked Bush supporters for a couple examples but they just call me an idiot and shove their heads back up their asses.

pornguy 05-19-2005 03:21 PM

I know that they are two different people, but sometimes I think that Bush may have studied Hitler really well before he got into office.

FunForOne 05-19-2005 03:24 PM

Holy shit, call michael moore! This is another opportunity to separate the weak minded americans from their money at the box office.

FunForOne 05-19-2005 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy
I know that they are two different people, but sometimes I think that Bush may have studied Hitler really well before he got into office.



Think you meant Reagan. Bush studied Reagan's policies before he got into office.

pornguy 05-19-2005 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FunForOne
Holy shit, call michael moore! This is another opportunity to separate the weak minded americans from their money at the box office.


No asshat. This is fact. A bunch of the crap that flows from Moores mouth is not.

FunForOne 05-19-2005 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich
I can't think of one major difference between Bush and Hitler besides the genocide.



If only you had a microphone! Wish I could buy you some airtime.

Huggles 05-19-2005 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy
Sounds like you just described Bush as well.



No, the basic differences between Hitler and Bush are that if Hitler was in Bush's position, no American Arab would be free. All would be in camps to be exterminated. Iraq would've been nuked and any in opposition to Bush would be attacked.


I would go as far to say that the US right now is in the same position as the Nazis were in 1939. Let's equal the invasion of Czech to the invasion of Iraq, for your argument's sake.


What's next? Do you think Bush will push to invade Iran? Syria? Do you think alliances will form with China-NK-Russia VS say, Japan, America, Britian?


Are we witnessing the beginnings of WW3? The tinfoil hats would like to think so. I don't.


I think that Iraq and Afghanistan will slowly stabilize and that political reforms will sweep through the Middle East over the next decade.


It's North Korea that we have to worry about, although, something tells me that Kim Jong just likes to fuck with the rest of the world and that he's not a serious threat.

FunForOne 05-19-2005 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy
No asshat. This is fact. A bunch of the crap that flows from Moores mouth is not.



In all seriousness. (Now I really shouldn't give this away), its one thing to smoke dope at an air america rally and make signs that say "Bush = Hitler", but the liberals who took that public during the last election really hurt the democratic party's chances at getting elected.

Thats really kind of a looney fringe thing to say. Once the democrats were lumped in with that, it really didn't matter what if any policies they were trying to promote. Most busy Americans are alot smarter than that and dont want to waste time with paranoid loons.

pornguy 05-19-2005 03:37 PM

One of the big telling signs about the future of the world, ( as far as Bush is concerned ) will be the end of his last term.

after all he still has the declaration of war.

cambaby 05-19-2005 03:38 PM

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Steve 05-19-2005 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huggles
It's North Korea that we have to worry about, although, something tells me that Kim Jong just likes to fuck with the rest of the world and that he's not a serious threat.

North Korea is just trying to pressure us into giving them food/aid
the poor bastards are starving, and his only leverage is the nuke issue

if we feed N Korea, they settle down

Paraskass 05-19-2005 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nydahl
I think we must wait like 300 - 400 years to read objective truth about Hitler.Today he is considered as killer of 49 000 000 people but I am afraid he must have been little more then this.
I am no fan of Hitler but facing the truth - he was very skilled conqueror and he made such a great things in following his new world idea.
I am not saying his idea was good or bad.

great post.

I mean why is it ok for Napoleon, Ghenghis Khan, Alexander the Great and many more to be considered awesome historical warriors and conquerers, but not Hitler?

pornguy 05-19-2005 04:01 PM

Are you saying that in 400 years, Bush will be looked on as a great warrior???

Sly 05-19-2005 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paraskass
great post.

I mean why is it ok for Napoleon, Ghenghis Khan, Alexander the Great and many more to be considered awesome historical warriors and conquerers, but not Hitler?

Most people do acknowledge that Hitler was a fantastic speaker, a great motivator, and obviously he knew a thing or two about war as well. Some people though, usually little nancy boys, refuse to acknowledge those facts simply because it was Hitler and "oh my God he was a terrible man!"

If you do even a little research, it isn't so hard to understand why the Germans believed Hitler and even moreso believed IN Hitler. He fed them, gave them jobs, stability... then pointed the finger.

goBigtime 05-19-2005 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paraskass
great post.

I mean why is it ok for Napoleon, Ghenghis Khan, Alexander the Great and many more to be considered awesome historical warriors and conquerers, but not Hitler?

One guess would be - because the wounds are still fresh?

People who lived during the time of those psycho killers aren't still living. :2 cents:

Give it a few hundred years for things to settle & maybe the psycho killers of the future can openly marvel about 'how awesome hitler was' without the backlash they would get today.

TheLegacy 05-19-2005 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy
Are you saying that in 400 years, Bush will be looked on as a great warrior???

dont worry. they will have gfy seach mode in tact by then and future webmasters can find out what we really thought of him

pornguy 05-19-2005 04:08 PM

He was great at millitary actions, and was one of the best speakers the the world has ever known.

Mike Okitch 05-19-2005 04:18 PM

Whether there is a parallel between "The Defensive Measure against Communist acts of violence endangering the state" of Hitler and Bush's patriot act. The patriot act was the reicheous thing to do.

Rich 05-19-2005 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy
He was great at millitary actions, and was one of the best speakers the the world has ever known.

Ok good, we've established two clear differences between Hitler and Bush.

goBigtime 05-19-2005 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy
He was great at millitary actions, and was one of the best speakers the the world has ever known.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

His speaking wouldn't have had the impact it did if it were not for the crimes the nazis committed against their own people in order to manufacture support for their actions :2 cents:

Look up Reichstag + Hitler

The Reichstag fire was created by Nazis and led the democratically elected von papen government to offer the position of chancellor to Hitler.


How far would Bush have gotten without the WTC event?

pornguy 05-19-2005 04:20 PM

The Reichstag fire was created by Nazis and led the democratically elected von Papen government to offer the position of Chancellor to Hitler.

No, he was already the Chancellor when that happened.

TheJimmy 05-19-2005 04:23 PM

Schwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaabbbbbbb


yeh, it is scarey and I had seen/read this before...

and Franklin was right, so was Jefferson on these issues of personal liberty and freedom...those fuckers seriously had the crystal ball on tap...too bad the general American population is really cow'd up...

.m00000000000000000

goBigtime 05-19-2005 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goBigtime
His speaking wouldn't have had the impact it did if it were not for the crimes the nazis committed against their own people in order to manufacture support for their actions :2 cents:

But I suppose some might ignorantly marvel at how that is yet another display of how great of a military strategist he was? :ugone2far

pornguy 05-19-2005 04:25 PM

There are tons of things that have made people this way. We allow others to make our decisions, and then we take what they dish out.

goBigtime 05-19-2005 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy
The Reichstag fire was created by Nazis and led the democratically elected von Papen government to offer the position of Chancellor to Hitler.

No, he was already the Chancellor when that happened.


Ah... you're right. He was appointed a month before.

Then they set the fires to make it look like there was a communist revolution.

The fires then led to an emergency decree restricting personal liberties.

(which they probably had drafted and ready to go... just like.....)

xxxdesign-net 05-19-2005 04:31 PM

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/j...erspective.jpg
:1orglaugh

Here's an interesting article written by David Michael Green, professor of political science at Hofstra University in New York... about US news media ..

http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/pu...le_17682.shtml

xxxdesign-net 05-19-2005 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huggles
The tinfoil hats would like to think so. I don't.

lol... Tin foil hats.. mmh.. seems to be the sheeps' favorite expression...

Do some research and educate yourself... A war with Iran is a forgone conclusion according to Henry Kissenger.. You know him..? When he says something.. consider it done :2 cents:

You know about US plan to put weapons in space? Russia already said it would be willing to use force to stop them.. Guess what will China will do...

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/3b1030dc-c8...00e2511c8.html

pornguy 05-19-2005 04:46 PM

Man. it is not enough to just move out of the country any more. You will have to move off planet soon just to be safe.

Rochard 05-19-2005 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nydahl
I think we must wait like 300 - 400 years to read objective truth about Hitler.Today he is considered as killer of 49 000 000 people but I am afraid he must have been little more then this.
I am no fan of Hitler but facing the truth - he was very skilled conqueror and he made such a great things in following his new world idea.
I am not saying his idea was good or bad.

While we consider Hiilter to be a horrible person, before then he did some good things for Germany. (Saddam did some good things too.) I think he started off good, but went mentally insane. The good things will never outweigh the horrible crimes he commited against humanity. Never.

That's a great book to read, btw.

Lee 05-19-2005 06:38 PM

I cant believe how you are calling Hitler a good military strategist. Some of his decisions in the Russian campaign were stunningly inept with catastrophic consequences on his own troops.

Justfuckedmyself 05-19-2005 06:42 PM

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