Ok all you head in the sand DEADBEAT FUCKS
 

FSC only has 1300 members. To be considered by the gov as a true representative of the industry they need many more members.

So what would it take for you to join? I for one think their membership fees need to change. This is what I propose.

5 levels of membership. None of the gold, silver crap. Just 1 thru 5 with 5 being the highest. Depending on your level you display that button on your site. The button is linked to a "scare" page designed for surfers to contribute whatever they can with a link to a webmasters page. In order to get surfers to contribute we have to scare them into seeing that thier porn may be taken away, like the NRA has done with guns.

TGP/MGP Free site owners

$50 under 10k uniques a day
$75 10k to 50k uniques a day
$100 50k to 100k uniques a day
$200 100k to 500k uniques a day
$500 500k > uniques a day

Paysites

$100 less than 10 joins per day
$200 10 to 25 joins per day
$500 25 to 50 joins per day
$750 50 to 100 joins per day
$1000 100 or more joins per day


Hosting Companies

$100 1 to 10 servers
$200 10 to 50 servers
$500 50 to 100 servers
$750 100 to 250 servers
$1000 250 or more servers


Processing companies

$100 less than $500,000 charges in a month
$200 500k to 1mill charges per month
$500 1mill to 2.5 mill charges per month
$750 2.5 mill to 5mill per month
$1000 5mill plus charges per month

Content Providers

$100 Sales or monthly leases less than $1000
$200 blah $1000 to $2500
$500 blah $2500 to $5000
$750 blah $5000 to $10000
$1000 blah $10000 or more per month

Designers

$100 less than $1000 a month in gross
$200 $1000 to $2500 a month in gross
$500 $2500 to $5000 a month in gross
$750 $5000 to $10000 a month in gross
$1000 $10000 or more a month in gross


thoughts on this?????????

if i was an adult company with content i would surely be a member. now is the tiem for unity instead of competition. :thumbsup

I'm surprised more TGP/MGP webmasters haven't added in their two cents.

I like the pricing structure, and I will contribute.

you can't stop the government. they're gonna do what they're gonna do. good luck to you.

Well you can always contribute more. It is afterall a business expense I have been told by the experts. Sort of like association fees.

I so glad i stayed in text game :thumbsup

Well if all that is going on has not scared you yet, check this shit out........

If the FSC is succesfull in getting a injunction granted, unless you are a member of the FSC the injunction DOES NOT apply to you. What that means is you are fucked. This is what the lawyers are telling me. Maybe FSC can come onboard and clarify better.

because most of them aren't even properly incorporated...

Bump for the FSC

Probably not a good idea to bring the gun debate into this.... Very different issues

I dont want to be conected with that - do us a favour and dont bring your personal politics into this if you are going to represent others in the industry.

Other than that my money is on its way

"Scare" page?

I think an "Awareness" page would be a better term.

He was using the gun situation as an EXAMPLE of what we can do.

I personally will be becoming a member later this afternoon, I had trouble with their form earlier.

It seems like a much more reasonable way of approaching the fees. It should allow more to become members!

How about some links to follow up more FSC activities?

Raising awareness rarely works with the general public. Scare tactics in marketing have far better results.

Internet users buy half the shit they buy due to fear. Internet Eraser type products, identity theft products etc.

I for one will be joining the FSC to fight the cause.

StickyGreen - you couldn't be more wrong.

ya ok man...y'all go stop the government's little crusade against porn...let me know the results...lol...

just a hint, im sure fsc would get more signups if they had that each donation would entitle a link to their page. the ppl who know this trick will know

Great idea that should be forwarded to them.

However, you have limited the levels only to online internet.

There are also all the offline adult entertainment categories that FSC works with (strip clubs, adult movie rentals) etc.

Choker's thinking as always :thumbsup

not sure if that is how it really works. At least most injunctions do not work that way.

That's not correct.
When COPA was enjoined it was simply unenforcable across the board, it wasn't simply enjoined for the parties that filed the suit.

However, I still think everyone should contribute as much as possible to the FSC....this is our livelihood we're talking about.

:2 cents:

No injuctions work that way.

I was covering my bases from the trolls who like to point out what I messed up on. Some injunctions like those that pertain to one person do work that way, but this type is far from those types.

To be honest? I am confused by the pricing structure. As some that doesn't own paysites but does free sites and avs sites when it asks me how many sites I have - well hundreds...but they aren't paysites. However, if I give an accurate number (the best I can) of the number of sites I have I end up with a huge (for my pocket) membership fee.

WTF are you talking the "gun debate" and my "personal politics". I am refering to the way the NRA has been VERY SUCCESSFULL in rallying MILLIONS of dollars from people by pointing out the fact that the government is trying to take away their guns. People do not open up thier wallets freely unless something (porn) they love is being taken away from them.

True, but after having a phone con with them, they are aware that the internet is where they need to be much stronger.

Well this is what FSC told me. They also went on to say that if granted the DOJ would NOT get a list of the members. But if a member is challenged at that time the DOJ would be informed that there is a injunction against the DOJ for enforcing the regs on THAT member.

I think you are making this up. An injunction is an injunction.

LOL, why would I make this up? This is what FSC TOLD ME. An injunction is not just a injunction. You do not file a injunction forbidding the DOJ from enforcing a reg on "anyone". It has to be specific. In this case it is the members of the FSC. Think about it. Um, your honor, we don't want the DOJ to be able to enforce this rule on anyone. That attorney does not have power to represent "anyone". But he does have power to represent members of the FSC. At least that is the way I see it, but I am no attorney so what do I know?

Well I just threw that together off the top of my head, Please feel free to change and discuss. It's just a idea. As far as free sites, lets say you have 400 of them and together they generate 200k uniques a day. Then under my idea you would pay $200 a year membership fees. I think that the FSC's current membership quotas are designed for brick and mortor adult businesses. Should'nt online businesses be a little different?

actually..i was talking about the figure I get when I try to fill out their membership form as it is at the moment which brings me up over $1000 a years..$200 I would gladly pay but the way it looks set up at the moment to me (though I could be wrong) looks like it discounts the tgp submitters/free site foot soldiers.

discounts as in it doesn't seem to know they exist rather than discounts the fee

Ok guys FSC now has a epassporte account. Thanks to Esther who rushed it thru. FSC is very interested in getting all us internet guys as members. SO please discuss this proposed pricing structure I threw up here. The board of directors will meet and decide on this. Thanks

Come on guys. Michelle from FSC is going to look at this post and think nobody cares. We really need some input here. Are these membership fees I proposed too much, not enough, not fair? etc etc

It should be a (small) flat fee with larger contributions encouraged.
Also the 2257 defense fund is a separate issue entirely and deserves its own generous contributions.

You can join the ACLU for what, $50 a year? Something along those lines would make it easier for everyone to get involved.

Also, Choker, on the injunction thing, when the ACLU goes to court and challenges a law as unconstitutional.....I'll grant you that they do need a specific defendant to represent in court.....someone whose constitutional rights have been trampled on by the law in question.......but if and when the court issues an injunction that means the law is unenforceable PERIOD until the case is over.

The injunction doesn't only apply to card carrying members of the ACLU.

:2 cents:

Well I'm not sure the pricing structure is consistent. I would think that a paysite guy making 9 sales a day would be making considerably more than $1,000/month. However under the current pricing structure a designer making up to 1K would be charged the same rate ($100).

I know that the intent is that the more you make, the more you have to give and think that's fair.

Maybe a structure based on income rather than occupation would be more appropriate. It would be easier to interpret especially for guys that do a little of several different things.

First of all, you fuckers need to quit whining about the pricing, they were simple proposals by Choker, that's all. Nothing set in stone. Jesus Christ, what a pathetic lot.

Realize that these people are defending our livelihood on a level that is beyond our own means individually. Donate every cent you can, strap your helmet on, and get ready for the ride.



Choker

I'm down to donate, where is the epassporte info? I didn't see it anywhere on here: http://www.freespeechcoalition.com/

Choker and others..let me add my own 2 cents. Perhaps if one of you had the brains to actually define what the hell FSC stands for, you might have more support. (And a link would have been nice as well). To 95% of the people out there, FSC means nothing. I see someone finally figured this out in the last post, over 24 hours after this thread was initially started.

Damn good thing for porn. Cause most of you don't have an ounce of marketing or the business skill you would need to make it in the mainstream world.

heh, i agree Chimmy. I read every word on this post trying to figure out wtf FSC meant :). I thought Choker was starting up some new legal fund or some shit at first. I'm primarily in the mainstream world as a geek, so all things porn are secondary too me, like the FreeSpeechCoalition.

I have about 400k/day in TGP traffic, and I'll be happy to take Choker's suggestion of donation.... to begin with. I plan on budgeting a monthly donation from here on out, as soon as i get epassporte info :)

Ok I think it's time to get something set up. The regs were published