Nice guys finish last (with women)
 

Anybody else notice that so many women would rather be treated like they don't mean shit as opposed to being treated really well? I'm in my mid twenties now and I think its fucked up that women still seem to like a challenge (asshole) rather than a nice guy at this point. Thoughts?

so be both? im a nice guy, but i can be an asshole, im doing fine :)

yes, it's the right balance. bottom line, you have to make them chase you and not the opposite. remember, you are the prize

the truth is, no matter how much they say they want the soft, sensitive man, a decent woman will not respect the man who is pussy whipped.

so to really attract women you treat them VERY well, but when they get out of line you let them know right now.

and you let them know from the get go that you are not controlled by a woman, that you are your own man, and YOU control your world.

and if you do this you will find many girls chasing you.

they just want everyone to like them,if your already there best friend then they have no reson to try and make you like them,so they try to get the assholes to like them instead :2 cents:

You don't have to be an asshole, but you can't be a wimp.

Read everything you can from here
http://www.askmen.com/dating/doclove/index.html

He explains why women tend to end up with "assholes" as you put it, and how to find and keep the right one by being a "challenge" not by being an asshole.

Its great stuff

I don't think it's an asshole thing, I think it's a confidence thing. If you walk and talk like you can get whatever you want and you like being you, then that attracts people. Just go out, be yourself, throw a little swagger into your walk, and you should be fine. :)

Welcome to Leykis 101.

i agree it definately has to do more with the level of confidence that you have and express to people. if you come off as that guy who's quiet and shy a chick aint gonna wanna talk to you they'd rather talk to the guy who has something to say even if they are an asshole. you can be both though a nice guy and an asshole you just have to know when to be a dick or else it aint gonna help you get anywhere with a girl. Girls tend to take advantage of the "nice" guys because they know they can... simple as that

Get out of line? Who are you trying to be, the woman's father? That's the most ridiculous advice I've EVER heard. You obviously have no clue when it comes to women or relationships.

I'm a nice guy and I don't finish last.

Well neither do I but I still managed to snag you :winkwink:

nice guys are little boys
jerks are men

a nice guy is what a woman wants. But a man is what her biological instincts NEED. You don't want to be a nice guy bringing flowers on the first date and calling up 20 times a day but you don't want to be a complete asshole either. Easiest way to go about is to act like your too good for them and any other woman on this planet and always play hard to get.

Pffft.

Elli's got it right: be yourself and you'll attract those that appreciate you. Pretend to be something you're not and anyone worth having will see right through it.

:winkwink:

Puhhhhleeeeaaaaase! :2 cents:

You would date, and keep dating a guy that brought flowers on the first date, bought you gifts, dinners, did everything you wanted to do and would let you walk all over him? A guy with very little self respect who was trying to gain your approval with everything he did?

STFU hoe - Get back in the kitchen bitch.

You, like latinasojourn, have no clue when it comes to women and relationships. Therefore, I am not even going to dignify your questions with a response.

See, Nice guys are no fun.

LOL.....I would but you're on your hands and knees mopping my floor! Now be a good little boy and run home to mommy.

haha.

oh the empowered female.

she sits at home and watches oprah and waits for the phone to ring.

sorry, the best guys like sweet girls.

I think I can say the same for you - having to spend everyday of your life, with her. :winkwink:


:1orglaugh @ all this false sense of empowerment.

Hey AVM there's a line you don't cross when talking to someone's wife, and you passed it about 5 minutes ago.

For the record I'm more than happy to spend every day of my life with her, otherwise I wouldn't have married her.
You're talking about a false sense of empowerment while you're saying "STFU and get back in the kitchen bitch"

An apology is in order.

Depends on what type of women you're going after. If you like smart library nerd type ugly girls, then treat them nice, and after a couple of years you might be able to have sex with them. If you like slutty porn type bitches that put out on the first date, then treat them like shit, and they will like you.

No the part she was saying puhleeze to was this

That's utter macho 19 year old bullshit. You'll grow out of it eventually.

Immature, girls with low self-esteem like guys that treat them like shit.

Mature, confident women like nice guys.

Rock on.

Thats the thing though. I am 19 years old so of course im gonna do what gets the attention of 19 year old girls and keeps them interested. At this age women are suckers for that shit but i know if i wanted to go after somebody over 25 that wouldn't work.

what about smart library nerd type hot chicks? yes they do exist. anyways, of couse you can't let em walk all over you but any girl who puts up with you treating her like crap probably has some other guys lined up to replace you in the near future. the kind of girl who lets herself be bossed around, treated like a child, ect probably has some daddy issues and has been through a lot of guys.

It's comical how you think you have me pegged. Fortunately for me, I already have the best guy and his opinion of me is truly the only one that matters.

yes, my response was generally directed towards the "liberated" femi-nazi archtype and not directly to you personally.

no offense meant to you, or your spouse, and congrats on having a relationship that works for you both :thumbsup

Thank you

Smart library nerd type "hot chicks" can be replaced by slutty porn bitches, because I'm talking about getting pussy, and there are no brains in pussy. For real relationships, its best to treat the girl with love and respect. For hitting it and quitting it, you need to treat girls like shit. Girls that are damaged goods are usually the best for hitting it.

After much consideration, I've decided that most "nice guys" aren't really that nice. They're just pussies trying to be somebody they're not in hopes of getting some snatch. Man, that's no way to live. Neither the dude or chick would ever be happy.

I'm sure many guys have gone through it, some realize that it's a waste of time and go back to being themselves, while others stick with their act and hope it works one day.

I'm not a huge asshole, but I can be an asshole. And you know what? I don't mind it one bit.

Humans in general want what they can not have. Therefore, if you treat them like you dont care, and dont really want them, they will come back for more. Treat them like shit, and they will love you forever.

I think this would fall under that category of utter macho bullshit. :thumbsup

Thanks :)

Get a clue

a: Nice guys are boring.
b: Most women want to be told what to do