why did you guys move away from nats?
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bumpity bumpComment
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looks like they have moved to MPA2 or MPA3Comment
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Please keep in mind, this is our personal experience and I'm NOT speaking for any other programs using NATS.
It came down to our overall comfort level for JasonandAlex as a company and our affiliates that we part ways with nats. Our issues we experienced were more related to tracking issues, password management issues and overall accuracy issues. To get into specifics on a board would be to much as well as time consuming. With that said, Chris(iBanker) or myself would be more than happy to field any phone calls.
This was not a fly by night decision on our part. We carefully thought it out and have taken the time to transition away over the last 3 weeks.
We feel we will have more flexibility with regards to various billers such as our own merchant account, 2000charge and GXB to name a few.
Our phone number here at the office is 858-587-9000 ext 102 for those of you who would like to know more.We are what we repeatedly do.-AristotleComment
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interesting indeedOriginally posted by ManowarLooking to buy established paysites contact me [email protected]Comment
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...and for those of you ICQing me, please understand that my ICQ is lit up like a Christmas Tree right now, I am not ignoring you, just trying to get back to all of you while talking on the phone....
Thanks for the understanding.www.JasonandAlex.com
Christopher's ICQ: 268-843-170Comment
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Expect a call tomorrow.Originally posted by Alex From San DiegoComment
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very interesting.Yellow Menace
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I'd like to hear more about these tracking and accuracy issues, I'm unable to call you, could you give me the gist of what you mean?
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I would like to hear more about it as wellComment
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Where are the NATS guys atHit me up for ABC link trades - icq 7583011Comment
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It seems that both products offer a lot so it's not suprising that one may be more suitable for a sponsor.Comment
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nats didn't have skimming and those fellas couldn't swim w/out itComment
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Originally posted by MrVids
hmm.. interestingComment
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Before you open your mouth and start with the allegations, you best have your ducks all in a row. I can assure you I do.Originally posted by MrVids
You might be travelling down a road that you don't want to go down on.
If you want to talk about skimming, we can discuss skimming.
All I can say is this since we have switched and please keep in mind the data is still early but hits are up and so are the joins
You don't have to have a shaving feature to shave. Sometimes incompetence works too.
If you would like to come to our office, you can log right in to our program with full admin rights and do all the searching you want.
We have nothing to hide. Never have and never will.We are what we repeatedly do.-AristotleComment
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We will not be commenting in these threads. If anyone wants to speak with us regarding it they can reach us via phone or icq. Jason and Alex were asked to move away from NATS several times over the past 2 months. We thank them for finally doing so and we wish them luck.Comment
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They want to turn on the shave function !UUGallery Builder - automated photo/video gallery plugin for Wordpress!
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There is no way they'd do that. Jason and Alex are dipshit newbies. If they wanted to be shavers, they could have easily slapped together your typical bullshit PPS program, burned thru some merchant accounts and done "free" trials, cross sells, upsells, e-mail boxes on tours, and whored out the members e-mail lists.Originally posted by MrVids
Instead, they take the time and effort to come up with strong paysites loaded with exclusive content in a partnership program.
If you're going to slam someone, dont hide behind an alias. Show who you are.Comment
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yet another geniusOriginally posted by Basic_manComment
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Originally posted by Steve
either that's one hell of a typo or there's something about my bosses I don't know...Comment
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you should really not put up your ICQ as a contact if your not going to reply on it. i added 2 icqs from your support page last thursday and i am not even given the courtesy of a reply.Comment
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Originally posted by undermyspell
either that's one hell of a typo or there's something about my bosses I don't know...
LMAO
I blame that one on only one cup of coffee
it should say "are NOT"Comment
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Don't you mean AREN'T?Originally posted by Steve
Damn - beaten to it!
Last edited by Tipsy; 03-29-2005, 06:52 AM.Ignorance is never bliss.
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Is this regarding JSA or Too Much Media?Originally posted by domo
ThanksComment
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yes. its pointed towards Jason and alex. sorry for not being articulate.Comment
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sorry if you have not received a reply domo..
if you want to contact me at 236437815 I am online now and can answer any questions you might have...Comment
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I know I just had to give you grief... it totally cracked me up and I needed a good laugh to start my day...Originally posted by Steve
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That guy's comment set me off like a hyperactive crack head with tourette's.Originally posted by TipsyDon't you mean AREN'T?
Damn - beaten to it!
I left out complete words, much less letters. These guys are straight shooters. I know this is GFY and anon's can take digs at anyone without having one shred of proof to back it up, but that doesn't mean we have to sit there and read their bullshit without calling them on it.Comment
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Agree absolutely. As I mentioned in the other thread it's all about bottom line and smart money would say nobody would be daft enough to screw up that hugely again by re-introducing a shave feature after the last time. So I trust MPA3 as much as I trust anything these days and more so than some as I genuinely make more sales/get more clicks with programs using MPA3. Could just be me though I suppose...Originally posted by Steve
Ignorance is never bliss.
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Originally posted by domo
Interesting...what 2 icq's? there is 5 icq's to get a hold of anyone of us as well as phone numbers with each of our extensions. To get a hold of us is pretty easy. Sorry you weren't able to but if you still want to, here is my icq
74296267
My phone: 858-587-9000 ext 104
Email: alex At JasonandAlex.com
Look forward to speaking with you : )We are what we repeatedly do.-AristotleComment
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Originally posted by PBucksJohn
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Originally posted by PBucksJohn
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Questions?
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I'm not hiding behind an alias, my other account got blacklisted for posting some of my honest opinions about a couple admins on this board. Course, i was drunk and knew better, but sometimes those beer goggles can affect your judgement.Originally posted by Steve
As for the shaving, you had to know someone was going to say it. Everyone knows the history of MPA, and personally I don't push any sites using their program just because of that tarnished reputation.
Note that I am not speaking from personal experience. A good friend of mine, who i trust, told me about it and the fact that option is so easily available, reduced my faith in the program.
Of course, anyone can figure out how to shave, i'm not saying it doesn't happen. I'm just saying that I'm not going to buy a Pinto just because I know there is the possibility of it getting rear ended and blowing up easier than any other car ;).Comment
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Originally posted by PBucksJohn
Well that sounds bizarre. Someone needs to spill the beans.Comment
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Looks like your already did. And you are saying you asked J&A to get off Nats several times over the past 2 months, but they say the moved away cuz of stats issues. Why would they have to be asked several times to stop using something they are having issues with? So now I wonder if they brought some type of problem up and you guys asked them to get off your system instead of trying to correct it.Originally posted by PBucksJohnLast edited by Triple 6; 03-29-2005, 07:37 AM.SIG TOO SMALL! Maximum 1200x600 button and no more than 30 text lines of ALL SIZES and COLORS. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 6240x4800 instead of a 1024x800.Comment
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Originally posted by TipsySo I trust MPA3 as much as I trust anything these days and more so than some as I genuinely make more sales/get more clicks with programs using MPA3. Could just be me though I suppose...
No, it's not just you.
It's the the question that's gone unanswered that nobody seems to know the answer to.
Why is it that when a program changes to NATS, sales have gone down? For me at least. Never understood it. Will the acception of a few, i've dropped programs using NAT's because of this.Last edited by onlymovies; 03-29-2005, 07:40 AM.HomemadeVideoPass.com - High converting Homemade mega site!
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Think an explanation is needed on this plsOriginally posted by PBucksJohn
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Just to clarify they were not asked to move away because of shaving or what not. I have no reason to believe they would ever steal sales.
They were not happy with the solution. They were told they should check out other software products and we would do whatever they needed in order to help them make a smooth transition. Not every solution is good for everyone.
Again, I'm not going to comment/argue/bicker/fight over this on the boards. The silly board drama can be left to those who make their living off of it. If you have questions you're more than welcome to contact us but we will not be here to try to entertain the masses.Comment
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I've had the same experience with NATS and have held off promoting anything else that uses it for this reason.Originally posted by onlymoviesComment
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Nothing like a little bit of drama to get things going in the morning.Comment
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Originally posted by RadiateThink an explanation is needed on this pls
maybe they were caught shaving and NATS asked them to stop using their software ?Comment
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Not even remotely close... sorry to disappoint the conspiracy theorists that a sponsor was shaving but that's just not what happened. I believe that John points that out as well in one of his posts.Originally posted by Shaddam IVComment
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The allegations in this thread are entertaining at best.
Shut your fucking pie holes if all you have is speculation.
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Originally posted by AaronMThe allegations in this thread are entertaining at best.
Shut your fucking pie holes if all you have is speculation.
And for the record...This was NOT directed at either of the 2 companies involved.Comment
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Now it is starting to get clear.... Good call there.Originally posted by Triple 6www.JasonandAlex.com
Christopher's ICQ: 268-843-170Comment
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NATS may well be a great backend program, but people will have to realize that it's not goign to fit into every company's technical needs or organizational structures.. Using NATS doesn't make a program good or bad.. it makes it their choice. I don't see why people are so quick to condemn people who don't choose NATS or MPA2 or whatever.. it's almost like a fad, people are gung ho about one backend for a while and then it's on to the next one. No software is perfect or infallible, and considering that NATS is new, maybe there's technical aspects involved in it's implimentation that have caused problems for J&A. Who knows? The offer of an explaination is there, I wish people around here would find out facts before they start assuming.Comment
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I will say it one more time here and now. This was not out to harm anyone, but when another man (John Albright, owner of NATS to my knowledge) calls our Company or any of its employees liars, I am forced to defend all. I speak the truth. We run a solid business built on firm ground, and I will have words (or initiate immediate legal action) with anyone the makes such defamatory claims saying otherwise.
If anyone thinks NATS is UNSHAVEABLE then you need to see this. Here is a screencap of what NATS reports I should pay my affiliates for all rebills (recurring charges) for ELECTRACASH (one of our check processors)
5 total rebills.
Here is what ELECTRACASH says I should pay.
275 total rebills.
270 missing rebills because of NATS. FACT.
Do you know how long it takes to even find that problem, and THEN cut separate checks for the affiliates to make sure you do the right thing and they get paid for their hard work? This is one of the many problems we had with NATS and one of the many reasons we moved far away from it.
Now, you can expect John or one of his tech guys to jump on this board and give you all a line (or explanation depending on how you decide to view it) about how this is some security loophole, and it has to do with it being ELECTRACASH's fault, and so on. It always seemed to be someone else's fault when it came to the blame being pointed at NATS (and I have further proof of this as well). The only reason we went with Nats was because of the NO SHAVE feature.
This is just the beginning?www.JasonandAlex.com
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