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AaronM 03-09-2005 09:44 AM

Reality content is not cheap.
 
Why do people keep hitting me up to shoot reality content when they have a budget of $1000 or less per episode?

Get real.

Then there are the people who want solo girl sites but only want to spend 2 or 3 grand.

I pay solo girl models way more than that and you expect a years worth of updates?

Once again.....

Get real.

NEWSFLASH!

Just because you see companies such as Lightspeed releasing hot teen sites and banking from them does not mean that you can do the same. It takes a lot of time and money to do these things and let's face it......The vast majority of you don't have the financial backing to afford it.

TurboAngel 03-09-2005 09:45 AM

You tell 'em hun.


:thumbsup

ronaldo 03-09-2005 09:46 AM

You best take that rational thinking elsewhere. It doesn't belong on GFY.

shuki 03-09-2005 09:46 AM

As they say you get what you pay for.

Your work is quality so expect to pay what it is worth :thumbsup

AaronM 03-09-2005 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronaldo
You best take that rational thinking elsewhere. It doesn't belong on GFY.


Shit. I forgot this was GFY.

My bad.

Sorry folks. :glugglug

Focus Adult Steve 03-09-2005 09:51 AM

I could have not said that any better, I have experienced the same shit. :thumbsup :thumbsup You are right on the mark with with that, they want it, but they want it cheap. I have wasted more time with people asking for quotes on Reality, and when you get to the $$$$$ there gone... :321GFY

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-09-2005 09:52 AM

EHeh I get the same thing, you prolly get more than I do.

latinasojourn 03-09-2005 09:55 AM

the best shooters should not sell content, but create their own niche websites with 100% original material.

AaronM 03-09-2005 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by latinasojourn
the best shooters should not sell content, but create their own niche websites with 100% original material.


The best shooters know how to shoot. They don't know jack about marketing a paysite.

Kard63 03-09-2005 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM
Why do people keep hitting me up to shoot reality content when they have a budget of $1000 or less per episode?

Get real.

Then there are the people who want solo girl sites but only want to spend 2 or 3 grand.

I pay solo girl models way more than that and you expect a years worth of updates?

Once again.....

Get real.

NEWSFLASH!

Just because you see companies such as Lightspeed releasing hot teen sites and banking from them does not mean that you can do the same. It takes a lot of time and money to do these things and let's face it......The vast majority of you don't have the financial backing to afford it.



Yea 3g's isn't gonna do it on your first solo site unless you found a hot model to work for food and you can shoot it yourself. Seems like a reality scene shouldnt cost more than $1000 with an aveage girl. Maybe it only seems that way because I didn't try that one..... :1orglaugh


Anyone that has new model they wanna make a solo site about but just had their dreams crushed by aaronm ICQ me.

Za Ha 03-09-2005 10:11 AM

stupid n00bs

tell ppl to go do it themselves and then they will appreciate the work

vidvicious 03-09-2005 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM
Why do people keep hitting me up to shoot reality content when they have a budget of $1000 or less per episode?

Get real.

Then there are the people who want solo girl sites but only want to spend 2 or 3 grand.

I pay solo girl models way more than that and you expect a years worth of updates?

Once again.....

Get real.

NEWSFLASH!

Just because you see companies such as Lightspeed releasing hot teen sites and banking from them does not mean that you can do the same. It takes a lot of time and money to do these things and let's face it......The vast majority of you don't have the financial backing to afford it.


AMEN BRUTHA Aaron, PREACH ON ....

GUNNER 03-09-2005 10:20 AM

there'll always be guys trying to crank out sites on a shoestring budget... they'll learn the hard way

WWC-Jon 03-09-2005 10:21 AM

Aaron I couldnt agree with you more. Shit in shit out. The talent alone on a boy/girl is more then that. They also seem to forget that video is paid by the scene not the day rate for a photo shoot. Aaron hit me up sometime want to know when you will be in LA.

jact 03-09-2005 10:25 AM

Say it ain't so, Aaron. Say it ain't so!

MaDalton 03-09-2005 10:37 AM

so true - plus the fucked up dollar. :helpme

nichecontentguru 03-09-2005 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM
Why do people keep hitting me up to shoot reality content when they have a budget of $1000 or less per episode?

Get real.

Then there are the people who want solo girl sites but only want to spend 2 or 3 grand.

I pay solo girl models way more than that and you expect a years worth of updates?

Once again.....

Get real.

NEWSFLASH!

Just because you see companies such as Lightspeed releasing hot teen sites and banking from them does not mean that you can do the same. It takes a lot of time and money to do these things and let's face it......The vast majority of you don't have the financial backing to afford it.

I agree 100%. This was exactly the problem between me and BoB (ThinkX from DutchTeenCash). He was paying me and the model US$ 400 for 4 Series 50 Photos each (200 photos) and expected superprofessional quality. WTF, he should have contacted really professional people and pay them more. I and www.ipasak.com can only deliver amateur to semiprofessional quality. If you want better quality, please talk to people like AaronM who will deliver professional quality, but on a larger budget.

I do not shoot with umbrellas, but rather prefer to work with 3 550EX external canon flash guns, which can sometimes result in a strong source of light from one source, however, they keep me extremely portable, which is important for me.

Thanks AaronM for this thread

FelixFlow 03-09-2005 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM
Then there are the people who want solo girl sites but only want to spend 2 or 3 grand.

...It takes a lot of time and money to do these things...


:2 cents: :2 cents:

Sly 03-09-2005 10:40 AM

How much would you charge for walker/cock grinding sex?

Mutt 03-09-2005 10:41 AM

i've learned to cut it short with them - i tell them up front it's not cheap and to find somebody else to shoot if they're not willing to go $2,000 on a boy/girl hardcore scene. The talent alone is $1200 - my shooter ain't working for peanuts and I'm not running a webmaster aid center.

And eventually my shooters will have paysites, but only if they find something that will knock people's socks off. Exclusive content doesn't mean quality content - it's exclusive crap in many cases.

tony286 03-09-2005 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM
The best shooters know how to shoot. They don't know jack about marketing a paysite.

Amen Bro I dont know how to put up one thumbnail . When I ask a very basic question people say you dont know that and your a webmaster. I say Im a photographer/videographer mandy is the webmaster lol

slapass 03-09-2005 10:42 AM

so how much is a good scene of reality? I can think of tons of variables but like tushycash. same local over an over with limited props. It can be done for 1k right?

Mutt 03-09-2005 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FelixFlow
:2 cents: :2 cents:

If they want to be Lightspeed Jr., pay me $30,000 for an exclusive never before seen teen found by us who won't show up on ATK and Karups ever.

Focus Adult Steve 03-09-2005 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton
so true - plus the fucked up dollar. :helpme


Majorly fucked up dollar, are you big affiliate guys hearing that, the USD isn't worth that much anymore... :2 cents: :( :mad: I repeat the USD isn't worth much anymore.... :1orglaugh

AaronM 03-09-2005 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nichecontentguru
I do not shoot with umbrellas, but rather prefer to work with 3 550EX external canon flash guns, which can sometimes result in a strong source of light from one source, however, they keep me extremely portable, which is important for me.


Try bouncing the 550's off of umbrellas. You can get very light weight and portable stands for his and it can do wonders to even out your lighting.

I've use 580EX's like this and it's not a bad way to go.

AaronM 03-09-2005 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly
How much would you charge for walker/cock grinding sex?


Charge?

Sheeeeit....Last week I paid for some of that hot action! :Graucho

AaronM 03-09-2005 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slapass
so how much is a good scene of reality? I can think of tons of variables but like tushycash. same local over an over with limited props. It can be done for 1k right?

Done for under 1k? Maybe....Depends on where you are shooting it. Different cities have different going rates.

BUT....I would not sell it for that.

AaronM 03-09-2005 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt
If they want to be Lightspeed Jr., pay me $30,000 for an exclusive never before seen teen found by us who won't show up on ATK and Karups ever.


And here I am charging 25k for the same thing.

I need to raise my prices. :glugglug

Nick 03-09-2005 10:54 AM

Amen once again.. Thanks for the post Aaron! :thumbsup

pxxx 03-09-2005 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM
The best shooters know how to shoot. They don't know jack about marketing a paysite.

Very true.. It is like asking a powerful soccer player to be a kicker in the NFL.


much HARDER than people think it is.

FelixFlow 03-09-2005 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt
If they want to be Lightspeed Jr., pay me $30,000 for an exclusive never before seen teen found by us who won't show up on ATK and Karups ever.



yep, that's about right....a good solo girl unseen is easily in the mid 5 figures

media 03-09-2005 11:02 AM

My penis throbs for AaronM...

JohnW 03-09-2005 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronaldo
You best take that rational thinking elsewhere. It doesn't belong on GFY.


Exactly...GFY = 90% of the bottom feeders of the industry.

In other words; no money.

;)

J.

baddog 03-09-2005 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM
The best shooters know how to shoot. They don't know jack about marketing a paysite.

Amen .

mistress69 03-09-2005 11:20 AM

of course not, ppl just need to be more realistic

Jim_Gunn 03-09-2005 11:36 AM

Even though exclusive reality content is costly to produce, I've been lucky, business has been been busier than ever this year, and I don't sell on price. Hardly get any haggling on prices, really. Still, most people underestimate the amount of time it takes to do all the nit-picky post production- incl. editing, good trailers with graphics & music; re-sizing & color-correcting pics, watermarks, encoding the videos, cutting them up into pieces, scannng all the documentation, etc etc.

And of course, there's something to be said for the value of a good idea if the content producer had any input into that; and nice execution as well!

fris 03-09-2005 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM
Why do people keep hitting me up to shoot reality content when they have a budget of $1000 or less per episode?

Get real.

Then there are the people who want solo girl sites but only want to spend 2 or 3 grand.

I pay solo girl models way more than that and you expect a years worth of updates?

Once again.....

Get real.

NEWSFLASH!

Just because you see companies such as Lightspeed releasing hot teen sites and banking from them does not mean that you can do the same. It takes a lot of time and money to do these things and let's face it......The vast majority of you don't have the financial backing to afford it.

because half the people post on here are worthless scum of the earth.

edit

95%

are you going to be in phoenix? :)

nichecontentguru 03-09-2005 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM
Try bouncing the 550's off of umbrellas. You can get very light weight and portable stands for his and it can do wonders to even out your lighting.

I've use 580EX's like this and it's not a bad way to go.

thank you, that might be a good idea.

I have been looking at various portable stands. Mostly, I shoot in hotels and even now it it crazy to already carry around camera, 3 flash guns, camcorder, video lights, rechargers, etc. Even without the portable stands I can barely carry the stuff off the car trunk into the hotel, if I buy portable stands, I am gonna need a guy to help me carry the stuff. But I guess quality has its price :thumbsup

Raven 03-09-2005 01:09 PM

Interesting.

angelsofporn 03-09-2005 01:18 PM

I pay more in a month for original content than most folks make in a year. There needs to be a revolution!!! Down with greedy video producers!!! Power to the people!!


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