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PerfectionGirls 01-16-2005 11:13 AM

What the fuck has happened to the music industry?
 
When Ashlee Simpson sells, wtf is next. These idiot teenieboppers have made that chick a millionaire. Guess they are not offering music classes in schools anymore. :(

Where is the real talant?

Who are the groups that actually have real musicians as members?

Are there any?

candyflip 01-16-2005 11:14 AM

This is nothing new. Where have you been the past 30 years?

AdultLocals_Max 01-16-2005 11:15 AM

Music, is no longer what it used to be, it is a big business now, people are doing it for the money, rather than the fame and the love of it!

polish_aristocrat 01-16-2005 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PerfectionGirls
Who are the groups that actually have real musicians as members?

Are there any?

Rock bands :2 cents:

th3g4me 01-16-2005 11:16 AM

the darkness!!!

NickPapageorgio 01-16-2005 11:16 AM

Along with the shit there is some real talent coming out all the time. Just have to sift through it all and stay away from MTV. They program that shit into kids heads. Kids don't know what's cool until it's out on MTV and then it's hot.

GatorB 01-16-2005 11:16 AM

When their isn't any MUSIC on MTV there is something wrong. Music has sucked in genreal for at least 15 years. I'd rather listen to 70's disco music than the crap that comes out today.

NickPapageorgio 01-16-2005 11:17 AM

btw... Beck is one of the most underrated artists of this decade. Give him a listen sometime.

candyflip 01-16-2005 11:18 AM

Check out the site Pure Volume. Lots of music out there today, you're just not hearing it because it's not teenybooper pop that sells on the radio and MTV.

Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

http://www.purevolume.com/

pxxx 01-16-2005 11:19 AM

The R&B and rap industry have been good.

candyflip 01-16-2005 11:19 AM

Kick back watch it crumble
See the drowning, watch the fall
I feel just terrible about it
That's sarcasm, let it burn

I'm gonna make a toast when it falls apart
I'm gonna raise my glass above my heart
Then someone shouts "That's what they get!"

For all the years of hit and run
For all the piss broke bands on VH1
Where did all, their money go?
Don't we all know

Parasitic music industry
As it destroys itself
We'll show them how it's supposed to be

Music written from devotion
Not ambition, not for fame
Zero people are exploited
There are no tricks, up our sleeve

Gonna fight against the mass appeal
We're gonna kill the 7 record deal
Make records that have more than one good song
The dinosaurs will slowly die
And I do believe no one will cry
I'm just fucking glad I'm gonna be
There to watch the fall

Prehistoric music industry
Three feet in la brea tar
Extinction never felt so good

If you think anyone would feel badly
You are sadly, mistaken
The time has come for evolution
Fuck collusion, kill the five

Whatever happened to the handshake?
Whatever happened to deals no-one would break?
What happened to integrity?
It's still there it always was
For playing music just because
A million reason why
All dinosaurs will die
All dinosaurs will die
All dinosaurs will die

Sarah_Jayne 01-16-2005 11:21 AM

Abba and the Bee Gees..that is what happened...all went to hell from there

GatorB 01-16-2005 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pxxx
The R&B and rap industry have been good.


Rap music is CRAP music and the RB music today sucks too. Black music has sucked for 15 + years too. Anything from Motown before 1975 is 10X better than anything that comes out today.

NickPapageorgio 01-16-2005 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pxxx
The R&B and rap industry have been good.

pffft...they have succumbed to the same cookie cutter production practices as the rest of it. Get some hard looking gangster dude with gold fronts and a big gold necklace and put him in front of 3 girls in bikinis and a Lincoln Navigator and a big house and it will go triple platinum.

Same thing with R&B. I can't tell Aliyah from Tatyana from Alicia Keys from Brandy.

Erykah Badu is the ONLY bright spot in that entire genre.

mrthumbs 01-16-2005 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NickPapageorgio
pffft...they have succumbed to the same cookie cutter production practices as the rest of it. Get some hard looking gangster dude with gold fronts and a big gold necklace and put him in front of 3 girls in bikinis and a Lincoln Navigator and a big house and it will go triple platinum.

Same thing with R&B. I can't tell Aliyah from Tatyana from Alicia Keys from Brandy.

Erykah Badu is the ONLY bright spot in that entire genre.


And others will say that abuot Alicia or Brandy. Thats how it works.

BlackCrayon 01-16-2005 11:31 AM

there are lots of great musicians out there, just don't look for them on mtv or the radio.

Rochard 01-16-2005 11:51 AM

The music industry has changed.

It's no different than our industy. Some of us do it because we love it, and some of us do it for the money. Some of us do it for both. But the truth is with good marketing you can sell anything.

Any idiot with a catchy tune can make money in the music industry.

Shoehorn! 01-16-2005 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PerfectionGirls
When Ashlee Simpson sells, wtf is next. These idiot teenieboppers have made that chick a millionaire. Guess they are not offering music classes in schools anymore. :(

Where is the real talant?

Who are the groups that actually have real musicians as members?

Are there any?

Corporate America got involved. It all started with MTV. Fuck MTV.

SykkBoy 01-16-2005 12:43 PM

the music industry has always been a bit of a sham
do you think Milli Vanilli or Ashlee Simpson were the first artists to lip synch and/or use studio tricks/stand-in singers?

if some of you saw what happenes in the music business, you'd lose (even more) hope for humanity...

titmowse 01-16-2005 12:47 PM

disco showed the record companies that talented artists were incidental. music video enforced the strength of one-hit-wonder image bands and it's all pretty much sucked ever since.

i think it started with diana ross. she is a weak singer at best. as the critics used to say, she had the perfect am radio voice. nevertheless, she was more appealing than the better singer, mary wilson and she looked good in the clothes. but i could go on forever...

Hey You . . . I Know You! 01-16-2005 12:48 PM

Haircut 100 ruled!!!

KRL 01-16-2005 12:51 PM

Don't know why it went south, but it obviously did. It's become more of a packaging business now, with less emphasis on true musical talent. It's all about the look, instead of being all about the voice and the songs.

You can make a lot of money off the music biz.

http://www.legacyrecordings.com/nkotb/grfx/pic1.jpg

http://www.rnb.hpg.ig.com.br/elvis.19.jpg

:thumbsup

GatorB 01-16-2005 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SykkBoy2
the music industry has always been a bit of a sham
do you think Milli Vanilli or Ashlee Simpson were the first artists to lip synch and/or use studio tricks/stand-in singers?

if some of you saw what happenes in the music business, you'd lose (even more) hope for humanity...


BIG difference betwen Milli Vanilli and Ashlee Simpson. Ashlee Simpson was using her own vioice. Milli Vanilli were lip syncing to OTHER people's voices.

Hung Like Bull 01-16-2005 12:54 PM

Old man, you are 40+ years old.

Times have changed.

Go look up some 12 year old school girls skirts, freak. :pimp

Hey You . . . I Know You! 01-16-2005 12:55 PM

Remember when it didn?t matter if musicians were really UGLY?

In fact, some of the ugliest bastards were so talented that they somehow became good looking.

Now that is some serious talent!

Entropy 01-16-2005 12:55 PM

check out pitchforkmedia.com

they are a good source for music...

PerfectionGirls 01-16-2005 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by titmowse
disco showed the record companies that talented artists were incidental. music video enforced the strength of one-hit-wonder image bands and it's all pretty much sucked ever since.

i think it started with diana ross. she is a weak singer at best. as the critics used to say, she had the perfect am radio voice. nevertheless, she was more appealing than the better singer, mary wilson and she looked good in the clothes. but i could go on forever...

Totally argree with you.

I'm a musician.. a trumpet player. I was a band director (dont fucking laugh) haha of one of the top band programs in the country... Plymouth/Canton Centenial Educational Park, in Plymouth, Michigan. I have a pretty good grasp on talant and can enjoy someone that displays a degree of talant regardless of the style. There are talanted artist in Rap, Rock and all of the styles inbetween and i like most everything... including a Mahlar Symphony or the Brandenberg's now and then.

All I ask is for some of these new groups or solo artist actually take some time to study their craft. Is that to much to ask?

Jessica Simpson is a good artist... she actually has real talant. Ashlee.... well all she has is a name. Sad.

Sarah_Jayne 01-16-2005 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hey You . . . I Know You!
Remember when it didn?t matter if musicians were really UGLY?

In fact, some of the ugliest bastards were so talented that they somehow became good looking.

Now that is some serious talent!


I have long used the term 'ugly bands' to describe the kind of music I tend to like.

nico-t 01-16-2005 01:02 PM

real music is everywhere, u just have to expand your horizon and not only listen to what mtv and the radios play.

hydro 01-16-2005 01:08 PM

Mtv really has done a good job of brainwashing kids into thinking that if its not on mtv its not cool and its not good music. Just checkout sounddomain.com for unsigned artists that actually make good music.

Hey You . . . I Know You! 01-16-2005 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarah_webinc
I have long used the term 'ugly bands' to describe the kind of music I tend to like.

It is interesting just how descriptive that is! I love it!




Music fans FEAR NOT . . . .Jamie Lynn Spears, the younger sister of pop star Britney Spears will SAVE US!

titmowse 01-16-2005 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PerfectionGirls
Totally argree with you.

I'm a musician.. a trumpet player. I was a band director (dont fucking laugh) haha of one of the top band programs in the country... Plymouth/Canton Centenial Educational Park, in Plymouth, Michigan. I have a pretty good grasp on talant and can enjoy someone that displays a degree of talant regardless of the style. There are talanted artist in Rap, Rock and all of the styles inbetween and i like most everything... including a Mahlar Symphony or the Brandenberg's now and then.

All I ask is for some of these new groups or solo artist actually take some time to study their craft. Is that to much to ask?

Jessica Simpson is a good artist... she actually has real talant. Ashlee.... well all she has is a name. Sad.

well, i'm generalizing of course. remember that before the 60's, most sales came from singles. the album entered into prominence in the mid 60's-early 70's. pop has always been pop. it's all about johnny bravo as far as the record companies are concerned. now we've come full circle. you don't find many record companies pushing artists that are capable of creating a whole album/cd of songs, much less more than one album/cd. they want the green. fuck the bollocks!

PerfectionGirls 01-16-2005 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hey You . . . I Know You!

Music fans FEAR NOT . . . .Jamie Lynn Spears, the younger sister of pop star Britney Spears will SAVE US!

Oh for the love of God!

:1orglaugh


:helpme

mardigras 01-16-2005 01:26 PM

Real talent can't be controlled by record companies so it was eliminated from the mainstream (at least a decade ago, where ya been?:)).
If you want real music you have to get away from radio and MTV.

BRISK 01-16-2005 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultLocals_Max
Music, is no longer what it used to be, it is a big business now, people are doing it for the money, rather than the fame and the love of it!

Sad and true

It's all about a packaged image for your consumption.

There's no heart, there's no soul, there's just $$$$$$$$$$

TheMob 01-16-2005 01:35 PM

what do you mean? ashlee is amazing!

PerfectionGirls 01-16-2005 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mardigras
Real talent can't be controlled by record companies so it was eliminated from the mainstream (at least a decade ago, where ya been?:)).
If you want real music you have to get away from radio and MTV.

Im aware of several groups where real talant is present. It not been decades either. Many groups I grew up with in the 70's are a prime example of talant.

Boston, Aerosmith and the Eagals just to name a few. Proof of their talant is that their music is still relavent today. Even Metalica in its yearly days wasa group over amazinf musicans that understood the craft.

Dont get me wrong, theres a couple groups out there now that are really strong. Green Day is a group with a ton of musical talant. I think Linkin Park is another fine group. Norah Jones, Alicia Keyes are two very talanted solo artist. Eminem is by far the most talanted rapper I have ever heard.. not sure he has musical talant, but for what he does, no one is better in my book. Nelly is prolly the most musically talanted rapper out now in my opinion. Not sure if he was ever trained musically, but his songs make musical sense.

dcortez 01-16-2005 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarah_webinc
Abba and the Bee Gees..that is what happened...all went to hell from there

I couldn't agree more :thumbsup

-Dino

pxxx 01-16-2005 03:27 PM

we need to go back to old school music.

fl_prn_str 01-16-2005 03:31 PM

is all because of Milli Vanilli and Vanilla Ice.


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