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  • European Lee
    Confirmed User
    • Dec 2002
    • 7133
    #1

    I Could Shave You Even Though We're Using NATS

    Anyone wanna take some bets on whether this statement is true or not?

    I guarantee its possible to shave even when using the NATS affiliate system

    Regards,

    Lee
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    • Roald
      SecretFriends.com
      • May 2001
      • 27910
      #2
      I shaved my head this morning


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        • Roald
          SecretFriends.com
          • May 2001
          • 27910
          #3
          we don't use NATS though


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            • Napolean
              Old school
              • Nov 2002
              • 4327
              #4
              Originally posted by European Lee
              Anyone wanna take some bets on whether this statement is true or not?

              I guarantee its possible to shave even when using the NATS affiliate system

              Regards,

              Lee
              you can shave with any software doesnt matter what you use

              its all about how you mod it yourself, nothin too complicated
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                • Manowar
                  jellyfish  
                  • Dec 2003
                  • 71528
                  #5
                  PBucksJohn would probably disagree, seeing as his company made it.

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                    • European Lee
                      Confirmed User
                      • Dec 2002
                      • 7133
                      #6
                      Originally posted by Napolean
                      you can shave with any software doesnt matter what you use

                      its all about how you mod it yourself, nothin too complicated
                      Okay let me re-phrase the comment..

                      I can shave you even if we use NATS without modifying the software.

                      Regards,

                      Lee
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                        • Twe Russ
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                          • Jan 2003
                          • 3493
                          #7
                          I believe it can be done.

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                            • European Lee
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                              • Dec 2002
                              • 7133
                              #8
                              Originally posted by Twe Russ
                              I believe it can be done.
                              I KNOW it can be

                              Regards,

                              Lee
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                                • Roald
                                  SecretFriends.com
                                  • May 2001
                                  • 27910
                                  #9
                                  did you shave your balls today?


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                                    • Twe Russ
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Jan 2003
                                      • 3493
                                      #10
                                      manipulating it?

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                                        • pradaboy
                                          sell me your banners
                                          • Dec 2003
                                          • 12931
                                          #11
                                          I bet you could, it's all about trust not software options
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                                            • TMM_John
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • May 2004
                                              • 6664
                                              #12
                                              I'm not familiar with you using our product. If you are and you attempt to fuck with the numbers you'll be loosing your liscense. Enjoy.


                                              Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS!

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                                                • Manowar
                                                  jellyfish  
                                                  • Dec 2003
                                                  • 71528
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by PBucksJohn
                                                  I'm not familiar with you using our product. If you are and you attempt to fuck with the numbers you'll be loosing your liscense. Enjoy.

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                                                    • European Lee
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Dec 2002
                                                      • 7133
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by PBucksJohn
                                                      I'm not familiar with you using our product. If you are and you attempt to fuck with the numbers you'll be loosing your liscense. Enjoy.
                                                      So does that mean you are agreeing that it is possible to shave using NATS?

                                                      Just want to clarify your position on that

                                                      Regards,

                                                      Lee
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                                                        • Gasper
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by European Lee
                                                          Okay let me re-phrase the comment..

                                                          I can shave you even if we use NATS without modifying the software.

                                                          Regards,

                                                          Lee
                                                          What would you like to shave first? Cock, balls, head?

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                                                            • xclusive
                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                              • Apr 2004
                                                              • 35218
                                                              #16
                                                              So you are activly looking for ways to make programs shave so that you can rip off webmasters? Not shocking...

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                                                                • European Lee
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                  • 7133
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by xclusive
                                                                  So you are activly looking for ways to make programs shave so that you can rip off webmasters? Not shocking...
                                                                  Im not actively looking for anything lol

                                                                  Common sense dictates that any program using any affiliate script can shave at any time they like.

                                                                  Its not exactly brain surgery, you just have to spend all of 30 seconds to think about how it can be acheived if you felt the need to do so.

                                                                  Regards,

                                                                  Lee
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                                                                    • TMM_John
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • May 2004
                                                                      • 6664
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by European Lee
                                                                      So does that mean you are agreeing that it is possible to shave using NATS?

                                                                      Just want to clarify your position on that

                                                                      Regards,

                                                                      Lee
                                                                      Everyone has a different defination of "shaving".

                                                                      Some people consider going into the database and zero'ing out everyone's sales "shaving". Is this possible with NATS? Yes. But not so easily and we make it as difficult as possible. You can always fuck with the database or rewrite your DNS every 20 minutes or something. Of course that's possible. That's not shaving using NATS. That's shaving around NATS.

                                                                      I've answered this question a million times. We have never said it is IMPOSSIBLE to shave for a program running NATS. We have said that there is NO SHAVE FEATURE in NATS unlike some softwares out there who decided to make it as easy as possible. We have also taken a very strong stance against it in that any program we find trying to fuck with the #s behind the affiliates back will loose their liscense and be taken to court.

                                                                      You can always fuck with things. It's the internet. It's the point of us making it as hard as possible instead of as easy as possible as some others have chosen in the past. And also our stance against it should we ever find someone trying to manipluate the software.

                                                                      Again, I don't recall ever working with you, so if you're associated with one of our clients, who is it?

                                                                      I don't know who you are and I don't know why you decided it was a great idea to bust my balls on a Saturday morning, but it's been noted.


                                                                      Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS!

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                                                                        • - Jesus Christ -
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                                          • 7197
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by PBucksJohn
                                                                          I don't know who you are and I don't know why you decided it was a great idea to bust my balls on a Saturday morning, but it's been noted.
                                                                          Hes a gay attention whore.

                                                                          Amen

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                                                                            • TMM_John
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • May 2004
                                                                              • 6664
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
                                                                              Hes a gay attention whore.
                                                                              LOL, that much I knew.


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                                                                                • European Lee
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                                  • 7133
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by PBucksJohn
                                                                                  Everyone has a different defination of "shaving".

                                                                                  Some people consider going into the database and zero'ing out everyone's sales "shaving". Is this possible with NATS? Yes. But not so easily and we make it as difficult as possible. You can always fuck with the database or rewrite your DNS every 20 minutes or something. Of course that's possible. That's not shaving using NATS. That's shaving around NATS.

                                                                                  I've answered this question a million times. We have never said it is IMPOSSIBLE to shave for a program running NATS. We have said that there is NO SHAVE FEATURE in NATS unlike some softwares out there who decided to make it as easy as possible. We have also taken a very strong stance against it in that any program we find trying to fuck with the #s behind the affiliates back will loose their liscense and be taken to court.

                                                                                  You can always fuck with things. It's the internet. It's the point of us making it as hard as possible instead of as easy as possible as some others have chosen in the past. And also our stance against it should we ever find someone trying to manipluate the software.

                                                                                  Again, I don't recall ever working with you, so if you're associated with one of our clients, who is it?

                                                                                  I don't know who you are and I don't know why you decided it was a great idea to bust my balls on a Saturday morning, but it's been noted.
                                                                                  Thanks for the clarification

                                                                                  For the record though, without even having seen how NATS works i can tell you that no matter how advanced the script itself is, you dont have to touch ANYTHING on the scripting side of things to be able to shave signups.

                                                                                  Ill let you figure out the 'how then' though

                                                                                  Regards,

                                                                                  Lee
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                                                                                    • bigdog
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                                      • 6964
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      it's too eary for drama on a saturday

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                                                                                        • TMM_John
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • May 2004
                                                                                          • 6664
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by European Lee
                                                                                          Thanks for the clarification

                                                                                          For the record though, without even having seen how NATS works i can tell you that no matter how advanced the script itself is, you dont have to touch ANYTHING on the scripting side of things to be able to shave signups.

                                                                                          Ill let you figure out the 'how then' though

                                                                                          Regards,

                                                                                          Lee
                                                                                          I gave you two ways in my post to go around it. It's not something impossible to figure out. You could unplug the sever and put another one in it's place twice a week. There are always ways to go around things. Our stance on it is what makes us different.


                                                                                          Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS!

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                                                                                            • TMM_John
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • May 2004
                                                                                              • 6664
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by bigdog
                                                                                              it's too eary for drama on a saturday
                                                                                              Sadly some people on this board have nothing better to do.


                                                                                              Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS!

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                                                                                                • TMM_John
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • May 2004
                                                                                                  • 6664
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by European Lee
                                                                                                  Thanks for the clarification

                                                                                                  For the record though, without even having seen how NATS works i can tell you that no matter how advanced the script itself is, you dont have to touch ANYTHING on the scripting side of things to be able to shave signups.

                                                                                                  Ill let you figure out the 'how then' though

                                                                                                  Regards,

                                                                                                  Lee
                                                                                                  Also, "put up or shut up" applies here. I can go around all day making claims I can fly or that I just bought Microsoft. Your words are words alone until you have something to back them up with.


                                                                                                  Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS!

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                                                                                                    • xclusive
                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                      • Apr 2004
                                                                                                      • 35218
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by European Lee
                                                                                                      Im not actively looking for anything lol

                                                                                                      Common sense dictates that any program using any affiliate script can shave at any time they like.

                                                                                                      Its not exactly brain surgery, you just have to spend all of 30 seconds to think about how it can be acheived if you felt the need to do so.

                                                                                                      Regards,

                                                                                                      Lee
                                                                                                      Don't you think the stand up thing to do if you were stand up and email or ICQ John about a possible issue in the program if there is one so that nobody can shave? If it wasn't fixed then you should come to the board to warn people...

                                                                                                      I support MediumPimpin.com / Shemp's Outlawtgp.com /


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                                                                                                        • European Lee
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                                                                          • 7133
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by PBucksJohn
                                                                                                          I gave you two ways in my post to go around it. It's not something impossible to figure out. You could unplug the sever and put another one in it's place twice a week. There are always ways to go around things. Our stance on it is what makes us different.
                                                                                                          Why complicate things?

                                                                                                          Just add some additional HTML / PHP code to a tour page.

                                                                                                          Thats a much easier way to do it

                                                                                                          Actually, to be fair, this isnt just true of NATS, its true of any affiliate script, whether they have been provided by a billing processor or by a third party company or even custom programmed.

                                                                                                          Regards,

                                                                                                          Lee
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                                                                                                            • European Lee
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • Dec 2002
                                                                                                              • 7133
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by PBucksJohn
                                                                                                              Also, "put up or shut up" applies here. I can go around all day making claims I can fly or that I just bought Microsoft. Your words are words alone until you have something to back them up with.
                                                                                                              See my post above

                                                                                                              Php incudes ;)

                                                                                                              Regards,

                                                                                                              Lee
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                                                                                                                • European Lee
                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                  • 7133
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by xclusive
                                                                                                                  Don't you think the stand up thing to do if you were stand up and email or ICQ John about a possible issue in the program if there is one so that nobody can shave? If it wasn't fixed then you should come to the board to warn people...
                                                                                                                  But its not an issue in the program, its an issue in EVERY program.

                                                                                                                  Regards,

                                                                                                                  Lee
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                                                                                                                    • TMM_John
                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                      • May 2004
                                                                                                                      • 6664
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by European Lee
                                                                                                                      Why complicate things?

                                                                                                                      Just add some additional HTML / PHP code to a tour page.

                                                                                                                      Thats a much easier way to do it

                                                                                                                      Actually, to be fair, this isnt just true of NATS, its true of any affiliate script, whether they have been provided by a billing processor or by a third party company or even custom programmed.

                                                                                                                      Regards,

                                                                                                                      Lee


                                                                                                                      If you only had half a clue the checks and balances built in to detect that at points.

                                                                                                                      Move along. Obviously you were just in need of some attention this morning.

                                                                                                                      Also, I will be checking with all of our clients monday to see if you are associated with any of them.

                                                                                                                      If you are using NATS or working for someone who does please let me know. If you are not then please refrain from stating "We're Using NATS".


                                                                                                                      Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS!

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                                                                                                                        • TMM_John
                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                          • May 2004
                                                                                                                          • 6664
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by xclusive
                                                                                                                          Don't you think the stand up thing to do if you were stand up and email or ICQ John about a possible issue in the program if there is one so that nobody can shave? If it wasn't fixed then you should come to the board to warn people...
                                                                                                                          This is an example of nothing more than someone who needs some attention first thing in the morning. Some people thrive on "GFY Drama".


                                                                                                                          Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS!

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                                                                                                                            • brand0n
                                                                                                                              been very busy
                                                                                                                              • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                              • 26983
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              so why not quit being sucha cocksucker (had to get 1 of those in) and tell them how you fucked up the soft so they can fix it?

                                                                                                                              just an idea.

                                                                                                                              Regards,

                                                                                                                              b
                                                                                                                              want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

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                                                                                                                                • TMM_John
                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                  • May 2004
                                                                                                                                  • 6664
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by brand0n
                                                                                                                                  so why not quit being sucha cocksucker (had to get 1 of those in) and tell them how you fucked up the soft so they can fix it?

                                                                                                                                  just an idea.

                                                                                                                                  Regards,

                                                                                                                                  b
                                                                                                                                  That's called being mature and professional. Apparently our friend here would rather run to GFY with grand "claims" to get some sig views.


                                                                                                                                  Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS!

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                                                                                                                                    • Dalai lama
                                                                                                                                      Strength and Honor
                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                                      • 16540
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by PBucksJohn
                                                                                                                                      I'm not familiar with you using our product. If you are and you attempt to fuck with the numbers you'll be loosing your liscense. Enjoy.

                                                                                                                                      A program you can trust.
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                                                                                                                                        • European Lee
                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                          • 7133
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by PBucksJohn
                                                                                                                                          If you only had half a clue the checks and balances built in to detect that at points.
                                                                                                                                          So you are saying it is not possible to use php includes to return a different page at any given time to strip the tracking section of the affiliates id on a tour page?

                                                                                                                                          You might want to speak to your programmers to confirm this before you end up talking out of your ass any more

                                                                                                                                          The simple fact is, no matter what type of affiliate software a sponsor uses, whether it be nats, mpa or, an ibill, ccbill or epoch linking code, it is possible to change the pages that surfers are presented with specifically not to include any typ of affiliate tracking.

                                                                                                                                          Of course i realize this screws with your whole marketing plan for nats but the reality of it is, the method i mentioned above is a reality.


                                                                                                                                          Regards,

                                                                                                                                          Lee
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                                                                                                                                            • some_idiot
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                                                                                                                                              • May 2002
                                                                                                                                              • 1511
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Well duh!

                                                                                                                                              You can pull just about any kind of crap you want in htaccess
                                                                                                                                              rules before apache even hands the surfer off to scripts.

                                                                                                                                              ...do you want to get caught doing it though.

                                                                                                                                              This AVS pays my mortgage!

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                                                                                                                                                • European Lee
                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                                  • 7133
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by brand0n
                                                                                                                                                  so why not quit being sucha cocksucker (had to get 1 of those in) and tell them how you fucked up the soft so they can fix it?

                                                                                                                                                  just an idea.

                                                                                                                                                  Regards,

                                                                                                                                                  b
                                                                                                                                                  Perhaps you missed my post above stating this isnt just a nats issue? It is true on ANY type of affiliate based tracking.

                                                                                                                                                  Regards,

                                                                                                                                                  Lee
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                                                                                                                                                    • TMM_John
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                                                                                                                                                      • May 2004
                                                                                                                                                      • 6664
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by European Lee
                                                                                                                                                      So you are saying it is not possible to use php includes to return a different page at any given time to strip the tracking section of the affiliates id on a tour page?

                                                                                                                                                      You might want to speak to your programmers to confirm this before you end up talking out of your ass any more

                                                                                                                                                      The simple fact is, no matter what type of affiliate software a sponsor uses, whether it be nats, mpa or, an ibill, ccbill or epoch linking code, it is possible to change the pages that surfers are presented with specifically not to include any typ of affiliate tracking.

                                                                                                                                                      Of course i realize this screws with your whole marketing plan for nats but the reality of it is, the method i mentioned above is a reality.


                                                                                                                                                      Regards,

                                                                                                                                                      Lee
                                                                                                                                                      You should give reading what I wrote a try. Might make you look like less of an idiot.

                                                                                                                                                      Can you do that? Yes.

                                                                                                                                                      Will we eventually catch wind of it and terminate your liscense? Yes.


                                                                                                                                                      Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS!

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                                                                                                                                                        • European Lee
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                                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                                          • 7133
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by some_idiot
                                                                                                                                                          Well duh!

                                                                                                                                                          You can pull just about any kind of crap you want in htaccess
                                                                                                                                                          rules before apache even hands the surfer off to scripts.

                                                                                                                                                          ...do you want to get caught doing it though.
                                                                                                                                                          Dont know about getting caught doing it becase the fact remains we wouldnt do it at all.

                                                                                                                                                          I just wanted to point out that putting faith blindly in a program because of th type of affiliate script they are using is crazy at best.

                                                                                                                                                          Regards,

                                                                                                                                                          Lee
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                                                                                                                                                            • TMM_John
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                                                                                                                                                              • May 2004
                                                                                                                                                              • 6664
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by European Lee
                                                                                                                                                              Perhaps you missed my post above stating this isnt just a nats issue? It is true on ANY type of affiliate based tracking.

                                                                                                                                                              Regards,

                                                                                                                                                              Lee
                                                                                                                                                              Yet you chose to claim you're using NATS in your topic to get more attention? I'm flattered.


                                                                                                                                                              Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS!

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                                                                                                                                                                • bret
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by PBucksJohn


                                                                                                                                                                  If you only had half a clue the checks and balances built in to detect that at points.

                                                                                                                                                                  Move along. Obviously you were just in need of some attention this morning.

                                                                                                                                                                  Also, I will be checking with all of our clients monday to see if you are associated with any of them.

                                                                                                                                                                  If you are using NATS or working for someone who does please let me know. If you are not then please refrain from stating "We're Using NATS".
                                                                                                                                                                  Come on John... don't be so arrogant.. You know as well as i do, GIGO. That simple law makes shaving very easy regardless of what software one uses.

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                                                                                                                                                                    • European Lee
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Dec 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by PBucksJohn
                                                                                                                                                                      Will we eventually catch wind of it and terminate your liscense? Yes.
                                                                                                                                                                      So just to clarify..

                                                                                                                                                                      It is possible to shave if we did in fact use NATS?

                                                                                                                                                                      However if you somehow found out about it, you would terminate our license?

                                                                                                                                                                      Regards,

                                                                                                                                                                      Lee
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                                                                                                                                                                        • European Lee
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                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by PBucksJohn
                                                                                                                                                                          Yet you chose to claim you're using NATS in your topic to get more attention? I'm flattered.
                                                                                                                                                                          Nats is the latest 'fad' in the industry, just as mpa was several months back, i could quite easily have used any affiliate script name in the thread topic, the fact still remains though, shaving is possible irrespective of the affiliate script being used.

                                                                                                                                                                          You can debate the issue all you like, it doesnt change the fact it is truth.

                                                                                                                                                                          Regards,

                                                                                                                                                                          Lee
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                                                                                                                                                                            • TMM_John
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                                                                                                                                                                              • May 2004
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                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by bret
                                                                                                                                                                              Come on John... don't be so arrogant.. You know as well as i do, GIGO. That simple law makes shaving very easy regardless of what software one uses.
                                                                                                                                                                              I have no idea what GIGO is. And also, you're missing the point. I've said you can put things around NATS to fuck with the #s, of course you can. I have NEVER MADE THE CLAIM THAT YOU CAN'T. We simply keep our eyes 100% open for it. Have things in place to watch for it. And have very strict penatlies should someone be caught doing so.

                                                                                                                                                                              You people need to stop going over and over the same point again after I address it. I'm getting tired of typing the same thing over and over again becuase people don't read it.


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                                                                                                                                                                                • TMM_John
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • May 2004
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                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by European Lee
                                                                                                                                                                                  Nats is the latest 'fad' in the industry, just as mpa was several months back, i could quite easily have used any affiliate script name in the thread topic, the fact still remains though, shaving is possible irrespective of the affiliate script being used.

                                                                                                                                                                                  You can debate the issue all you like, it doesnt change the fact it is truth.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Regards,

                                                                                                                                                                                  Lee
                                                                                                                                                                                  Again and again and again and again.

                                                                                                                                                                                  I have never said it's impossible.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Move along and get your attention from someone else please.


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                                                                                                                                                                                    • TMM_John
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                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by European Lee
                                                                                                                                                                                      So just to clarify..

                                                                                                                                                                                      It is possible to shave if we did in fact use NATS?

                                                                                                                                                                                      However if you somehow found out about it, you would terminate our license?

                                                                                                                                                                                      Regards,

                                                                                                                                                                                      Lee
                                                                                                                                                                                      Yes, as I said you could change your DNS every 20 minutes. You could swap servers every hour. You could not send checks, etc.

                                                                                                                                                                                      And yes, in a heart beat they would.


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                                                                                                                                                                                        • TMM_John
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                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm done with this thread. It's a Saturday morning and believe it or not I have things to do.

                                                                                                                                                                                          I've stated our standing 30 times in this thread alone. If you don't get it by now you never will.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Enjoy your day everyone.


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                                                                                                                                                                                            • European Lee
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Dec 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by PBucksJohn
                                                                                                                                                                                              Yes, as I said you could change your DNS every 20 minutes. You could swap servers every hour. You could not send checks, etc.

                                                                                                                                                                                              And yes, in a heart beat they would.
                                                                                                                                                                                              Okay thanks.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Although i still dont understand why someone would want to do something as complicated as changing their DNS every 20 minutes when it is as simple as adding a .php include to a tour page.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Ah well, i guess it takes all sorts.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Regards,

                                                                                                                                                                                              Lee
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • TMM_John
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by European Lee
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Okay thanks.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Although i still dont understand why someone would want to do something as complicated as changing their DNS every 20 minutes when it is as simple as adding a .php include to a tour page.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ah well, i guess it takes all sorts.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Regards,

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Lee
                                                                                                                                                                                                  If you were a dog, you would chase your tail all day long. You really enjoy going in circles.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Good bye.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • bret
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by PBucksJohn
                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have no idea what GIGO is. And also, you're missing the point. I've said you can put things around NATS to fuck with the #s, of course you can. I have NEVER MADE THE CLAIM THAT YOU CAN'T. We simply keep our eyes 100% open for it. Have things in place to watch for it. And have very strict penatlies should someone be caught doing so.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      You people need to stop going over and over the same point again after I address it. I'm getting tired of typing the same thing over and over again becuase people don't read it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Garbage In Garbage Out. Its a pun of FIFO (First In First Out) or a Queue vs LIFO (Last In First Out) aka a Stack.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Anyway, I am not trying to bust your balls. But a false sense of security is far worse then no security at all.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Shaving happens, and no amount of checks and balances could ever stop it. As long as a system works on decisions based on information from an outside source the logic can be cracked.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I do commend your efforts to curb shaving, don't get me wrong. I am very passionate about coding, and appreciate anyone who puts their blood sweat and tears into a project.

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