Do you think in 20 years China will be more powerful than the United States ?
 

The topic says it all. :)

If Bush keeps running things, eventually either the US will rule the world OR Morroco will be more powerful than the US.

I hear they have a lot of monkey power.

why so long?


The Euro will soon be more powerful then the USD

No...not in 20 years and possibly...if not probably...never.

In 20 years China will count 10 blillions of population and were all fucked because it will be too tight for them on their homeland.

:glugglug

I hope they come invade and take over the US.

china is buying all of our steel.

i would imagine they will at some point or another. empires grow and die... and are replaced by others. China seems like a likely candidate for being the next big one.



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:1orglaugh idiot

only in 2050

and on a thursday. late afternoon... sometime before dinner.

not sure call me lets discuss it

dude how the fuck do you think they could ever transport the amounts of people it would take to invade the US?

well unless they are the first to invent teleportation then they could hehe

currently the billions of dollars in debt - along with stretching the resources of america, I cant see USA hanging on.

This war, and future occupations that Bush has will suck every bit of life from america, china has one focus - and use the money they have towards their own country and security.

As Kerry said, if the 80 billion (*more I think) would be spent on america - then we all would be in a better place. Look after your own home before helping someone else.

Sad that Iraq now has better resources in firemen, police, electrical than USA right now - if that money was spent on us - image how better off society would be??

Not just steel.....over 30% of all construction materials produced WORLD WIDE are being sent to China.

Domestic costs are going up and up, because there is a shortage and the suppliers are in a postion to gouge due to the China profits...

US is on the way out (unfortunately) .. and China and Europe are on the way in. Its pretty obvious too.

Evidence once again of the dumbness of the average lefty....


Anyone who has studied economics can work out that China cannot sustain current growth into the extended future.

China's current GDP growth is merely an effect of China opening up some of its trade and modernising parts of its work force.

Population alone does not equate to power or development potential. 1 worker with 1 machine or 1 computer is 10 times more effective than 10 workers without any machines. The technological infrustructure and capability of America would take decades to develop in China.

In 20 years time or so oil will be more scarce than it is now, yet America will still have trillions of barrels in its reserve stockpiles. China will not.

I could go on and on but frankly im not getting paid to teach. Socialism does not work and it not only makes the rich poorer but it makes the poor poorer aswell.

And for all you tools out there that think that the democrats are responsible for the surpluses america received in the clinton era - go and study economics.
It was reagans tax cut implementations and economic policies that led to the economic growth during the clinton era, it takes years for economic benefits to sink in not months.

The current economic climate is as a result of clinton's poor economic management and his failure to properly track down terrorists and in particular bin laden.

unfortunately yes

Rofl

Talk about debt - the EU has yet to prove it isnt a complete disaster - Most of the large EU countries are running defecits that make the current US defecit look like a pin head percentage wise.

Rest assured that if bush's full tax cuts are implemented and rendered permanent, the american economy will be stronger than ever before in a couple of years.

Tax cuts are not tax cuts if theyre not permanent.

yes i think so

it already is :1orglaugh

its gonna be a lot more than 20 years for oil to become scarce

Well said. Its sad how little most demo anti-Bush fanatics understand about basic economics.(I don't like either candidate for the record.)

Sorry guys but China will eventually go the way of the Soviet Union. Same old shit just another century.

listen to mr skin all you dumbfucks.

I dont disagree with that but i was trying to illustrate a point - be it 20 or 50 or even 100 there are certain things that america has that china dosnt have and will never have.

Complete road and rail infrustructure;
a fully armed civilian population;
thousands of the best jet fighters;
thousands of nuclear weapons;
at least 20-30 delta submarines that cruise the oceans of the world, their location not known by anyone in the world other than the people on board the submarine all armed with about 20 nuclear warheads each;
10 operational or near operational air craft carriers - which has been up to 15 at one point;
thousands of the best tanks;
military training vis-a-vis their troops esp. special forces, delta, rangers, navy seals etc.

i mean to compile a list isnt even sensible.

Look at it this way - currentlly america spends a little of 50% of the total world expenditure on military & warfare and that represents about 2-4% of america's GDP. In wartime scenarios military expenditure can jump to 20% of GDP quite easily. In WW2 it jumped far beyond that. THat would equate to (at a 20% jump) america spending 5 times more than the rest of the whole world put together. to match that china would need to grow its economy by like 9 trillion +4%(x20) (like 20 trillion or something), in 20 years.

And for all you tools out there that think that the democrats are responsible for the surpluses america received in the clinton era - go and study economics.
It was reagans tax cut implementations and economic policies that led to the economic growth during the clinton era, it takes years for economic benefits to sink in not months.

The current economic climate is as a result of clinton's poor economic management and his failure to properly track down terrorists and in particular bin laden.


:glugglug Bingo, but everyone is so up in clintons ass, its sick.

No. The power of the United States in every category of what makes the world run and operate is too solidly entrenched into the systems of everything everywhere.

The only way the balance of power could shift would be either through a catastrophic natural event, such as a meteor hit, or a massive biological warfare terror event. Other than those two scenarios I can't see any country close to displacing us anytime soon.

reaganomics - look it up fucktards

Hate to break it to you, but China is very different than the Soviet Union. China understands that they need the free market. Right now their problem is corruption and lack of human rights. Politically they may be communist right now, but every day they are moving a step away from it. It'll take some time, but eventually they'll figure out how much damage their gigantic state-funded projects damage their economy along with their stranglehold on free speech and human rights.

As for economics, its not a science. Some people want to credit Reagan for the 90s boom, some want to credit Clinton, anyone considered the internet and computers?

yes

The combined power of europe eclipses that of the US. But you have some solid points :) Not that I claim to be an economics guru .... but the Euro is pretty damn high ..... and the US$ is pretty damn low .... ?? Any economics experts care to explain that for an econ reject like me ;) :)

The US is a very small part of the world .... a VERY small part. I am honestly glad the US has the lion share of the power today, but .... history has shown that is never lasts.

We understand very little about atoms and yet Chemistry is a Science.
We understand very little about energy, matter, motion, magnetics etc and yet Physics is a science.
So im not sure what the point of saying economics isnt a science is.

Noone now claims that government spending greats a greater long term economic boost than tax cuts.
Simply put it works like this - if you spend money on schools etc then the money is wound up as an expenditure into the economy and that money does not recirculate as it does if you give money back to consumers who then place a portion of it in banks where money is reinvested into the economy (thereby decreasing interest rates and boosting investment even further), and the remainder is spent according to market forces.

Most economists would argue that economics is a science, its only lefties who argue it isnt.

Ok first - there is no combined power of the EU. THe EU does not have a combined fiscal operation, a combined military operation a combined anything. It has a mumbo jumbo of everyone doing a little bit of their own thing and sharing a little bit of everyone elses stuff to do some joint things.
That dosnt work well when you need the EU as a whole to move in one direction as they tend to move in 6.
America is of course comprised of states, but the connection between state and federal government is far more precedented and operational than in the EUs instance. Therefore the EU may have a combined GDP of slightly more than the US, but the reality of the cpacity of that GDP to have an effect on the world or another nation in a targeted fashion is very dim.

As for the value of the Euro. You have to understand that America by in large dictates the movements of currencies. It is the main trader of currencies and if it wants to crash the value of the Euro it will sell its euros. At the moment it dosnt need to crash the EU because it is already flopping left right and centre. And so america has a huge amount of the euros in reserve, hence having raised the value of the euro. But if need be when its important to shit the power back a little in the US favour it will sell of some of its euros.

At present, the entire non-nuclear military might of China is only able to defeat 2 US carrier battle groups, and that is according to the Chinese' own boasts.

As for Europe (my continent) then the only word I have is "LOL".
We are a dying continent with an aging population and a booming Muslim birth rate. We are also saddled with socialism, which everyone knows doesn't work, but which our unelected leaders in the EU are pushing and pushing until it ruins us.

America's problems are coming from within - the naive "flower-children" of the 60s are the ones who hold influential posts now. It is they who are driving America in it's current direction of self-hate. It was those same people who lost the political war (but not the military war) in Vietnam. Those same people who spat at the returning US marines are the ones who are now telling America's children how to think.

What America needs is a severe dose of "anti-idiotarianism" so that it can rid itself of it's idiotarian left and stupid religious right.

America can rule forever as the standard-bearer of freedom, and I am all for that. But America has to want that too.

I reluctantly hope that Bush gets another 4 years, simply because the consequences for the world of a Kerry term in office are too frightening to think of.

please stop making sense, the 18 year olds cant contemplate. Thanks

I agree 100%

Very nicely said

Excellent critique.

Excellent critique.

Excellent critique.