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stocktrader23 09-21-2004 01:59 PM

I honestly believe Kerry will win.
 
Given there are no "suprises" from the Bush camp.

All favorites aside I see Kerry making a strong surge over the next 6 weeks.

LauraLee 09-21-2004 02:02 PM

you have no idea how much i hope you are right. like you said, IF their are no last minute rabbits pulled out of the hat by bush.

TheJimmy 09-21-2004 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stocktrader23
Given there are no "suprises" from the Bush camp.

All favorites aside I see Kerry making a strong surge over the next 6 weeks.


I think you're right man...seriously...



I know a good # of ex-republicans now...I want to know how Bushy's gonna pull it off with a good chunk of us prior-Rs voting for the other side this year?


I guess Bush & company think everyone that's a Republican is a freaky religious zealot that's ok with giving up freedom for security...


naaa uhhh

TheJimmy 09-21-2004 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by LauraLee
you have no idea how much i hope you are right. like you said, IF their are no last minute rabbits pulled out of the hat by bush.

ahh you mean this type of thing?


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...usa_osama_dc_1

Lucy 09-21-2004 02:06 PM

my vote for Kerry:thumbsup

stocktrader23 09-21-2004 02:07 PM

TheJimmy,

I know so many as well. I really don't see how the polls are always so close. Many I know personally that voted for Bush haven't been able to stand him for the last couple of years and do not want to vote for him this year.

Regardless, just looking at the big picture I see him winning. Not a landslide but a comfortable lead.

LauraLee 09-21-2004 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheJimmy
ahh you mean this type of thing?


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...usa_osama_dc_1

that is EXACTLY what i mean. i could see us already having him in captivity and bush camp pulling him out of the hat just before the election.
i have a knot in my tummy just thinking about it :mad:

fris 09-21-2004 02:09 PM

bush will win

WarChild 09-21-2004 02:09 PM

I disagree. I think Bush will win.

chowda 09-21-2004 02:09 PM

sorry to say, bush will win

its wierd, everytime kerry speaks, i try to think if he said the opposite before.

good luck, but it looks like 4 more years

Downtime 09-21-2004 02:10 PM

I doubt that, if Kerry makes any type of surge it will be down. He's way too inconsistent in his decisions; worse, he does things and says another. He says he's against outsourcing American jobs overseas yet his billionarie wife has 57 (no pun intended) of her 80 factories overseas, supplying jobs for foreigners, not Americans. Kerry likes to give the people what they hear, depending on the situation and the polls. The fact that he refused to fund body armor for our troops and humvees just scares me that this man wants to be our Commander in Chief. I hope to God that he does not win; I'm confidant he won't though.

stocktrader23 09-21-2004 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by fris
bush will win
We'll see. I can't stand him, never could. Nothing to do with favorite party etc. either.

stocktrader23 09-21-2004 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by chowda
sorry to say, bush will win

its wierd, everytime kerry speaks, i try to think if he said the opposite before.

good luck, but it looks like 4 more years

That's exactly what they wanted you to do when they started this flip flop crap. Just think for 2 seconds about all of Bush's misdirection and decide who the real flipper is.

chowda 09-21-2004 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23
That's exactly what they wanted you to do when they started this flip flop crap. Just think for 2 seconds about all of Bush's misdirection and decide who the real flipper is.
i agree that bush is better at misleading the american people. (and fellow canadians like myself)

i still dont understand whats kerrys point of view on the war.

pussyluver 09-21-2004 02:23 PM

Unless he fucks up, its a Bush win. In fact, he would really have to fuck up.

So 12clicks will be happy.

SD Qball 09-21-2004 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stocktrader23
That's exactly what they wanted you to do when they started this flip flop crap. Just think for 2 seconds about all of Bush's misdirection and decide who the real flipper is.
Regardless of what people's opinions are on who WILL win. The polls show it close at the moment. Kerry has to do something unreal to be in contention.

I see Bush winning otherwise by around 8 points. Time will tell.

SD Qball 09-21-2004 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by Downtime
I doubt that, if Kerry makes any type of surge it will be down. He's way too inconsistent in his decisions; worse, he does things and says another. He says he's against outsourcing American jobs overseas yet his billionarie wife has 57 (no pun intended) of her 80 factories overseas, supplying jobs for foreigners, not Americans. Kerry likes to give the people what they hear, depending on the situation and the polls. The fact that he refused to fund body armor for our troops and humvees just scares me that this man wants to be our Commander in Chief. I hope to God that he does not win; I'm confidant he won't though.
I'm the last person in the world to defend Kerry, but I am curious to learn more about the decision he made to not fund armour for our troops. Where did you hear that?

stocktrader23 09-21-2004 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SD Qball
Regardless of what people's opinions are on who WILL win. The polls show it close at the moment. Kerry has to do something unreal to be in contention.

I see Bush winning otherwise by around 8 points. Time will tell.

Gore was way behind as well. Fuck a poll. I just stated my opinion. Kerry could fuck up royally tomorrow.

We'll know in 6 weeks.

loverboy 09-21-2004 02:27 PM

im looking forward the face to face debate starting on Oct. 30 and this will surely spell the difference

SD Qball 09-21-2004 02:28 PM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23
Gore was way behind as well. Fuck a poll. I just stated my opinion. Kerry could fuck up royally tomorrow.

We'll know in 6 weeks.

So how do you feel about the stock related divedend tax cuts that Bush made? I couldn't help but notice your name. I was happy to see that divedends were no longer taxable, it changed my whole investment train of thought, for the better at that...

What do you think?

The Truth Hurts 09-21-2004 02:31 PM

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Originally posted by loverboy
im looking forward the face to face debate starting on Oct. 30 and this will surely spell the difference

Starting on Oct 30.. huh?



Sept 30, Oct 8, Oct 13.


edit... unless I misread..

Oct 30 does seem a bit late though.

SD Qball 09-21-2004 02:31 PM

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Originally posted by loverboy
im looking forward the face to face debate starting on Oct. 30 and this will surely spell the difference
Kerry presents himself better than Bush does in person. While I support Bush, I worry about Bush fumbling over his words. The good part is that Americans have become a little used to seeing him fumble his words and have statements given that are not exactly what he was trying to get out.

I wonder how many people on here that complain about American policy are going to actually vote, or just keep complaining. I can't wait until all 50 states have internet based voting so more people will vote.

Downtime 09-21-2004 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by SD Qball
I'm the last person in the world to defend Kerry, but I am curious to learn more about the decision he made to not fund armour for our troops. Where did you hear that?

After he voted for the war, or against it, whatever, he voted against funding body armor for American troops and extra armor for our humvees and armored vehicles. I first heard about it on TV, then read more stuff about it online. Just google it, or kerry's voting record and it should come up.

Downtime 09-21-2004 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by SD Qball


I wonder how many people on here that complain about American policy are going to actually vote, or just keep complaining. I can't wait until all 50 states have internet based voting so more people will vote.

Not very likely IMO, too many security issues to make it a realistic possibility.

stocktrader23 09-21-2004 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SD Qball
I'm the last person in the world to defend Kerry, but I am curious to learn more about the decision he made to not fund armour for our troops. Where did you hear that?
Feel like reading?

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=155

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=177

stocktrader23 09-21-2004 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23
Feel like reading?

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=155

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=177

Conveniently down of course.

As a quick reply, he voted no to an 87 billion dollar spending bill. Something like 1/3rd of 1% was for body armor.

Typical election time propoganda.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...r+troops&hl=en

CamChicks 09-21-2004 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SD Qball
I'm the last person in the world to defend Kerry, but I am curious to learn more about the decision he made to not fund armour for our troops. Where did you hear that?
Bush rushed our troops into an unneccesary war, then once they were on the ground in danger he realized "OPPS! forgot to make sure their equipment was ready" . . . and now he blames Kerry for his mistake, because Kerry later opposed an additional grant of $87Billion of which 0.3% was for body armor. He did not oppose sending the gear, but wanted the funding to come out of Bushs tax cuts, instead of just writing another 'blank check' to this irresponsible asshole.

loverboy 09-21-2004 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
Starting on Oct 30.. huh?



Sept 30, Oct 8, Oct 13.


edit... unless I misread..

Oct 30 does seem a bit late though.

thanks for the rescue..i guess i was too sleepy when i tuned on to CNN.

surely, i will not miss any of those events.

The Truth Hurts 09-21-2004 02:43 PM

Debate Dates
September 30
First presidential debate: University of Miami, Coral Gables, Florida

October 5
Vice presidential debate: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio

October 8
Second presidential debate: Washington University, St. Louis, Missouri

October 13
Third presidential debate: Arizona State University, Tempe, Arizona

zentz 09-21-2004 02:44 PM

i honestly hope

Downtime 09-21-2004 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CamChicks
Bush rushed our troops into an unneccesary war, then once they were on the ground in danger he realized "OPPS! forgot to make sure their equipment was ready" . . . and now he blames Kerry for his mistake, because Kerry later opposed an additional grant of $87Billion of which 0.3% was for body armor. He did not oppose sending the gear, but wanted the funding to come out of Bushs tax cuts, instead of just writing another 'blank check' to this irresponsible asshole.

"Rushed our troops"? Put away the cocaine and go back to school, you are so ignorant it's disgusting. "He forgot to make sure their equipment was ready." That second quote just makes me laugh; do you actually believe that? Do you know how stupid you look?

Anytime before a war, the president (democratic or republican) asks congress for more funding. Get it?

I appreciate the poster who supplied the links to the body armor info, I knew it was quite a bit of money but I didn't know how big a percentage the body armor was. The fact is, it could have been .0001%; it doesnt matter. The rest of the 87 was to support our troops; and Kerry opposed it.

Pull out your calculators and compute how much .3% of 87 BILLION is; then rethink your response. It doesn't matter how much it cost, or how little; he still opposed it. Camchicks, if he didn't oppose funding the gear, why the fuck did he vote against it? To make a jab at Bush for his domestic policies while leaving our troops easier targets?

I really hate hippies, especially ignorant ones.

stocktrader23 09-21-2004 03:00 PM

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Originally posted by Downtime
"Rushed our troops"? Put away the cocaine and go back to school, you are so ignorant it's disgusting. "He forgot to make sure their equipment was ready." That second quote just makes me laugh; do you actually believe that? Do you know how stupid you look?

Anytime before a war, the president (democratic or republican) asks congress for more funding. Get it?

I appreciate the poster who supplied the links to the body armor info, I knew it was quite a bit of money but I didn't know how big a percentage the body armor was. The fact is, it could have been .0001%; it doesnt matter. The rest of the 87 was to support our troops; and Kerry opposed it.

Pull out your calculators and compute how much .3% of 87 BILLION is; then rethink your response. It doesn't matter how much it cost, or how little; he still opposed it. Camchicks, if he didn't oppose funding the gear, why the fuck did he vote against it? To make a jab at Bush for his domestic policies while leaving our troops easier targets?

I really hate hippies, especially ignorant ones.

Lol, you are twisted. Our troops should have had ALL proper supplies before setting 1 foot on Iraqi soil including the vests they needed.

Edit: BTW, he voted to approve the 87 billion on a bill that also reversed Bush's tax cuts. He obviously had a problem where the 87 billion came form on the one he voted against.

And yes 300 million is the number but that's like me saying I need something that costs $5 so you should approve this spending of 50,000 because it's included. Just doesn't work that way.

Downtime 09-21-2004 03:02 PM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23
Lol, you are twisted. Our troops should have had ALL proper supplies before setting 1 foot on Iraqi soil including the vests they needed.
I completely agree with you.

BRISK 09-21-2004 03:04 PM

I don't like Bush, and I don't like Republicans, but I think that if an election was held today, Bush would win.

stocktrader23 09-21-2004 03:05 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
I don't like Bush, and I don't like Republicans, but I think that if an election was held today, Bush would win.
Me too. Lucky for me they aren't held today. :winkwink:

Manowar 09-21-2004 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LauraLee
you have no idea how much i hope you are right. like you said, IF their are no last minute rabbits pulled out of the hat by bush.
:thumbsup :thumbsup

gornyhuy 09-21-2004 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Downtime

The fact is, it could have been .0001%; it doesnt matter. The rest of the 87 was to support our troops; and Kerry opposed it.

Pull out your calculators and compute how much .3% of 87 BILLION is; then rethink your response. It doesn't matter how much it cost, or how little; he still opposed it. Camchicks, if he didn't oppose funding the gear, why the fuck did he vote against it?

Dumbass.

-You say it doesn't matter what ther percentage and then you suggest making a percentage calculation to rethink his response?

-What if it was $1 for body armor and the $87 Billion for Bibles and extra American Flags? Then would it matter what the percentage was?

xclusive 09-21-2004 03:44 PM

Kerry better win for all out sakes...

TheJimmy 09-21-2004 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by xclusive
Kerry better win for all out sakes...
ouR


where's the Grammar Police when you need them...

woops, I mean the SPeeling Police...


:winkwink: :thumbsup

... 09-21-2004 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Downtime
I doubt that, if Kerry makes any type of surge it will be down. He's way too inconsistent in his decisions; worse, he does things and says another. He says he's against outsourcing American jobs overseas yet his billionarie wife has 57 (no pun intended) of her 80 factories overseas, supplying jobs for foreigners, not Americans. Kerry likes to give the people what they hear, depending on the situation and the polls. The fact that he refused to fund body armor for our troops and humvees just scares me that this man wants to be our Commander in Chief. I hope to God that he does not win; I'm confidant he won't though.
Teresa owns less than 4% of Heinz. It is NOT her company.

As for the outsourcing, Heinz is a global company. They have factories in other countries to service other parts of the world.


The reason Kerry did not sign the 80 some-odd billion dollar bill for Iraq was that only a small part of it was going to troops whereas a huge sum was going to Haliburton-type operations.


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