New 2257 REGS & using banners???
 

I was told by my lawyer today that if the new regs go through, and you run a thumb TGP, you would be responsible for the records of every single thumb you show on your own site.

So how does this hold up for banners?

Theoretically, for every sponsor banner you use, if there is hardcore sex in the banner and you host it on your server and show it on YOUR page... you need to maintain the records for the models in the banner.

doesnt matter if the banner is hotlinked off your sponsors server or on yours, same thing.

If these changes go into effect, shit is gonna be FACKED UP! :2 cents:

i cant wait till the new regs pass! all the tgps weill have to use hoted gals :) no more shit head little webmasters

:thumbsup :glugglug

you are totally right, the only small dudes that could last are the ones who either build or adopt some kind of 2257 records and url database software and use only 100% definite content providers who provide EVERYTHING they need.

even then, the days of the small tgp posting webaster are going to be over.

it would seem only hosted galleries and a few smarter independent guys could last.

but still....

how the fuck would a sponsor program handle banners? theyd have to have some kind of supplemental documentation for EVERY fucking banner they supply their webmasters saying which models are in that banner and then of course link to the docs for their webmasters to download.

what a fuckin messssssss.

yea its a pain. we are going to log all of our banners, but it only matters if it is hosted off of your server. if a webmaster picks up your banner it is his responsibility to track that photo set.

still, as a program, you NEED to take that responsibility seriously... and its just out of control.

Think about it (you small webmasters know what im saying)... over the years as a small webmaster ive built thousands of pages... banners everywhere.

according to my lawyer, after the inception date... everything that i have online would be considered currently distributed and needs to be documented.

thats impossible.

so okay...

lets say i were to wipe everything and start from scratch.

can you imagine having to take the time and fucking document every damn banner, image, etc you use from sponsors to link to their tours.


its insanely nuts.

every gallery, every page, every ad, etc.

ive talked to a few guys who work at some fairly medium to larger size affiliate programs and it sounds like lots of people are in the process of hiring their own in house record keeping department.

thats INSANE!

a whole department to manage the shit?

that pretty much sums up how fucked smaller webmasters are... unless you wanna teach some indians how to manage your porn.

:(

you could really see why the big players who have sponsor galleries would wanna get rid of the TGP posters!

Epic Cash will be the first sponsor to host everything for the affiliate.. so we will take all the burden off the affiliate and they must our content. Epic Cash's year is here.. we plan to simply dominate the industry this year. just wait and see

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the new 2257 regs only apply to "explicit sex acts"? In other words, if you have softcore banners and thumbs with just the girls face in it, that would be exempt?

you are correct, although it is very unwise not to still keep records for the models used regardless of soft or hard... but i would think only hard would be on the radar.

Correct.


Trey....Answer your phone.

Something to think about:

1. Not every TGP is a thumb preview TGP

2. The biggest TGPs are not owned by Americans

Here is the problem with this statement.

A lot of TGP's will tell you that "bookmarking" is the absolute key to productive traffic. That includes TGPs that actually send valuable traffic like the hun, etc.

If you take away small webmasters who BUY tons of content from TONS of content providers and are not just building galleries to promote a sponsor's site and only using the content from that site (since most reality sites, etc only have about 15-50 actual unique sets on their site)...

the what the fuck are you left with?

you are left with EVERY tgp most likely using the top 10-20 most popular ad programs and their "hosted" galleries.....

the same shit, Over and over and over.

Go to the hun.... or thumbnailpost, or worldsex.. browse through the lists.

sure a lot are hosted, but a SHITLOAD are random content bought from various places, not used from unique sets, etc. not just your standard hosted gallery.

i think that is key to "repetitive" visits to a tgp.

no doubt their are some sponsors that provide enough content to keep the hosted galleries fresh, but in general, its mostly repetitive.

most tgp's have 30-50 open spots per day for listings.

are there really enough galleries and enough variety to keep it fresh? you could probably argue yes.

but will that compare to the 30-50 spots used by webmasters posting sets from matrix, ounique, focus adult, markham, david lace, cool piranha, cool content, adult stock, and many many more?

maybe yes.

maybe no.

but you can also count on all of those content companies losing a FUCKING HUGE amount of their business if the normal "gallery" poster disappears.

looks like that could be true for all soon.

This is just gonna be insane ... so much content on the web will be removed ... wich is actually a good thing because there is WAY too much free porn out there

thats great for guys who send traffic to paysites through methods other than free sites.

but if thats the case, the other huge chunk of us are fuckin bummed :Oh crap

also, i dont think affiliate programs realize how hard they will be hit as well once so many smaller webmasters may be forced out... no more tgp posters, no more free site guys... just major TGP's?

even then...

there are fuckin 8 billion sponsor programs now.

there are so many webmaters that there is still money to be made for so many programs....

but get rid of so many webmasters.... and only the strong survive.


granted, this entire freakin 2257 shit could be completely modified to avoid these major probs, but its looking like big changes are inevitable.

I agree with u 100% so whats wrong with my statement again? my statement said that the Sponsor gain from this, not the smaller guys. And how they would wanna see this law passes and as you see they got it through.

bad wording :P didnt mean it that way, just meant "here is why you are right and why that fuckin sux....."

if prosecutions begin to occur, it'd be very insteresting to see who's left standing.

I read ur post 5 times and was like wtfck am i this tired? I could quite put everything together haha :glugglug

barely anybody follows the current laws to the t.

how many do you think will do it come september?

Non-US citizens?

Yeah, I'm not expecting to see a lot of people complying with this law either.

probably 2% more than now, but regardless, if it happens we all have no choice.. and shit will CHANGE big time.

banners, galleries, tgp's... every fuckin thing.

it's weird, the final say so is less than a month away and everybody is playing this off like copa or soemthing that will just get knocked down.

but the only thing between nada going down and shit hitting the fan is a "period of public comment".


i talk to more and more webmasters every day that dont even have any fuckin idea there were new 2257 regs :Oh crap

dude, if it passes AS IS. what choice will we have?

say gooooooood bye to most smaller webmasters unless they are ready for their current "work a bit make way more than at a normal 9-5" to all of a sudden "shit i gotta work just as much documenting every last fuckin page this blows".

:(

with literally billions of pages of porn on the internet it would take an inconceivable force to keep everything legit. case and point, look at 98% of the sites on the net and see if they are compliant in any way shape or form with any current legislation

thats true, because their was no legislation when everything was put up.

but that does not change the fact that every banner, every tgp that uses thumbs, etc WILL have to change when the shit goes through does it?

every banner put up on new pages that is.

I know what you're saying, but I still don't think 95% of people will comply with this regulation. It will be interesting to see who the feds go after.

I think the biggest change will be the fact that they are going to start enforcing it. They'll bust a few of the bigger ones to get the point across, or worse, bust tons of little guys to make it look like it is having an impact.

man, i dont know about you, but if it passes, im fucking complying.

nothing is worth 5 years minimum in the slammer.

if the shit passed and you ran a thumb tgp like madthumbs.com or something, you are telling me you'd keep operating as is eventhough you have NO records for every thumb you are showing in your daily gallery links?

well, than you and anyone else that wont comply that runs any kind of site with any kind of notoriety... are pretty much this guy:



http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/O...%20scrotum.jpg

you don't think there are currently laws about the display of pornographic images on the internet?


sec 1470 still isn't met to the standards of many interpreters

nah, just use thumbs without explicit content

of course this would mean that we have to get pretty girls back into porn

I wasn't speaking about myself not complying. I was speaking about people in general.

not sure how this relates to the new 2257... but from what i can read in the new regs.. EVERY image you have on YOUR site or pages in your site that shows hardcore, must be documented with all appropriate material (id, release, url used, etc).

regardless of determining who is looking at it.

you just summed up the best solution so far... if shit hits the fan thats where im headed myself.... soft only. the tour i link to on my affiliates server can deal with the hard stuff.

oh it's completely separate
i was just saying, laws exist already, and have been "enforced" since 98

oh boy...

i think it'd be good for the industry. soft sells and retains like hell.

imagine what an internet without breasts would do for your conversions!

i hear that.. i agree with you 100% you are right.. i dont see most people complying either... mostly because their seems to be an industry wide "say it aint so" attitude... where most think nothing will happen.

maybe they are right.

but like i said before.

HEEEEYYYYLLLL NO :
http://www.beavis-butthead.ru/pictures/jail.jpg