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Quotealex 07-22-2004 12:58 PM

Is it legal to sell/use content of girls in public places without
 
Is it legal to sell/use content of girls in public places without their consent? Forexample can I use pictures of girls in bikini that I shot at a beach on my paysite without having them sign any release form?

Fletch XXX 07-22-2004 12:59 PM

OF COURSE!

PUBLIC DOMAIN IS PUBLIC DOMAIN!!!

snap away and upload

TheJimmy 07-22-2004 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
OF COURSE!

PUBLIC DOMAIN IS PUBLIC DOMAIN!!!

snap away and upload


:thumbsup :thumbsup



PS: it depends on what country you live in....US is ok some/most of the time on public pics....Canada however is not as friendly (legally) to that content from what I gather

Fletch XXX 07-22-2004 01:03 PM

but keep in mind, without consent, you also do not have 2257.

you have no proof of age.

be careful.

its only legal until someone finds out

:1orglaugh

Quotealex 07-22-2004 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
but keep in mind, without consent, you also do not have 2257.

you have no proof of age.

be careful.

its only legal until someone finds out

:1orglaugh

In this case there would be no nudity involve, only girls in bikini at a beach!

But let say I take pictures at a club when one has to be at least 18 yrs old to enter, would it be legal to take nude pictures of girls without any release form?

Fletch XXX 07-22-2004 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Alex from Montreal
In this case there would be no nudity involve, only girls in bikini at a beach!

with no proof of age you have no proof of age, simple.

ESPECIALLY at the beach. You have no clue if she is 18 or 16,

Dirty F 07-22-2004 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
with no proof of age you have no proof of age, simple.

ESPECIALLY at the beach. You have no clue if she is 18 or 16,

So since when i putting a 16 yr old in a bikini on a site illegal? Im not saying its right but its also not illegal.

Fletch XXX 07-22-2004 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss
So since when i putting a 16 yr old in a bikini on a site illegal? Im not saying its right but its also not illegal.
making a paysite of them might be.

this is what he is aiming to do.

SmokeyTheBear 07-22-2004 01:13 PM

Its legal as long as your taking photo's that can be seen from the public view.

So you cant use zoom lens into someones house windows.

Nor can you put cameras on your shoes and take upskirts.


proof of age is not needed nor is consent.

emmanuelle 07-22-2004 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
but keep in mind, without consent, you also do not have 2257.

you have no proof of age.

be careful.

its only legal until someone finds out

:1orglaugh


2257 applies neither to non-xplicit content, nor Canadians

Fletch XXX 07-22-2004 01:14 PM

wow i live in california, maybe i should go to the beach more.

I could shoot 13+ year olds all day and make a paysite

weeeee, so long paying for content.

too many beaches around to buy content

:1orglaugh

Fletch XXX 07-22-2004 01:15 PM

no nudity, no consent, no 2257.

god i love america

Fletch XXX 07-22-2004 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by emmanuelle
2257 applies neither to non-xplicit content, nor Canadians
doh!

even though his name is Montreal, i honestly didnt even think that far

hahaha

SmokeyTheBear 07-22-2004 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
with no proof of age you have no proof of age, simple.

ESPECIALLY at the beach. You have no clue if she is 18 or 16,

Your not serious are you ??

Have you ever watched your local news ??

Often the weatherman etc will be at the beach commenting on the weather , with loads of people in bikini's.

If your FOCUSING on one person , you could be liable for a lawsuit though

Fletch XXX 07-22-2004 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
Your not serious are you ??

Have you ever watched your local news ??

Often the weatherman etc will be at the beach commenting on the weather , with loads of people in bikini's.

If your FOCUSING on one person , you could be liable for a lawsuit though

this is news.

making a paysite full of girls in bikinis on the beach with no age proof is a bit risky in my opinion.

hey i say GO FOR IT.

did you miss my first post?

SNAP AWAY AND UPLOAD.

i am all for it.

Fletch XXX 07-22-2004 01:18 PM

Emma, send me a good camera, ill start shoointg next week.

You launch it in Canada, i supply content... you ready?

Lets do this girl!

zanycash Pete 07-22-2004 01:19 PM

No nudity, no problem!:thumbsup

Dirty F 07-22-2004 01:22 PM

Wow Fletch...chill..hahah.

HS-Trixxxia 07-22-2004 01:28 PM

Alex - I wouldn't be trying it in Montreal or Canada, if you do, please consult your lawyer. Read on:
http://canada.justice.gc.ca/en/cons/...1-context.html

SmokeyTheBear 07-22-2004 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
this is news.

making a paysite full of girls in bikinis on the beach with no age proof is a bit risky in my opinion.


CNN offers paid news services , i dont really see the difference. They make money from the content they provide.


This question reminds me of this news program i saw a few years back , and was quite curious as to what happened to the guy.

The guy was going around to schools and offering FREE PHOTOS of the girls cheerleading squads, but he was saving half the shots for his cheerleaders site of underage girls. The girls were never nude , but the photo's def pushed the limit. Full on triple zoom shots upskirt. I dont think he got busted , i think he just got told not to come back to the schools.

emmanuelle 07-22-2004 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Emma, send me a good camera, ill start shoointg next week.

You launch it in Canada, i supply content... you ready?

Lets do this girl!


lol!

Thanks, but despite the legal loopholes, I find even the idea of underage models (dressed or undressed) on a site intended for spankers, distasteful.
Don't even get me started on sites that portray women as underage! (which IS illegal here in Canada)

SmokeyTheBear 07-22-2004 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Trixxxia
Alex - I wouldn't be trying it in Montreal or Canada, if you do, please consult your lawyer. Read on:
http://canada.justice.gc.ca/en/cons/...1-context.html

Umm did you read that ?? Theres nothing in there to say he cant take PUBLIC photos of women at beaches , nor could i see it falling under any "sexual" category

Dirty F 07-22-2004 01:32 PM

Dutch channels show programs about the beaches in spain and the youth who goes crazy there in the nightlife. Guaranteed youre gonna see some nude 16 yr old titties.

The only place where that is totally unaccepted is America and the internet (because everybody thinks America decides whats legal on the net)

SmokeyTheBear 07-22-2004 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by emmanuelle
lol!

Thanks, but despite the legal loopholes, I find even the idea of underage models (dressed or undressed) on a site intended for spankers, distasteful.
Don't even get me started on sites that portray women as underage! (which IS illegal here in Canada)

I dont think he ever intended on intentionally taking pictures of underage girls. I think he was more concerned with the inability to monitor the ages of those involved without gaining consent

emmanuelle 07-22-2004 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Trixxxia
Alex - I wouldn't be trying it in Montreal or Canada, if you do, please consult your lawyer. Read on:
http://canada.justice.gc.ca/en/cons/...1-context.html


While I am not condoning the idea, a woman on a beach has no reasonable expectation of privacy. Therefore it is not voyeurism.

emmanuelle 07-22-2004 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
I dont think he ever intended on intentionally taking pictures of underage girls. I think he was more concerned with the inability to monitor the ages of those involved without gaining consent
Yes, I know what he was proposing, and my reasons are the same. Since I would not be in a position to monitor the ages of those involved, I want nothing to do with it.

Fletch was kidding anyway

baddog 07-22-2004 01:37 PM

I asked this question at a seminar in San Diego . . . and the attorney said that if it is a posed photo, there must be a release . . . if you just happened to catch something in the background, no release was required.

Not sure how that would apply if you just started taking pics of chicks at the beach without their knowledge. This is the kind of thing you should talk to an attorney about rather than get your legal advice at GFY

Dirty F 07-22-2004 01:40 PM

www.eurobeach.com

These guys have been around forever! They even sell dvd's and stuff.

Great site :)

Fletch XXX 07-22-2004 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by emmanuelle


Fletch was kidding anyway

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss
Wow Fletch...chill..hahah.
hehehe glad someone caught that

BTW, Brutus Black listings have begun ;)

bought some new accounts to dump traffic on galleries ;)

SmokeyTheBear 07-22-2004 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by baddog
I asked this question at a seminar in San Diego . . . and the attorney said that if it is a posed photo, there must be a release . . . if you just happened to catch something in the background, no release was required.

Not sure how that would apply if you just started taking pics of chicks at the beach without their knowledge. This is the kind of thing you should talk to an attorney about rather than get your legal advice at GFY

Most attorney's don't know more than you or i about internet law.

That being said i think we knew it required consent for a POSED PHOTO.

Photos of a beach would not be "posed photos".

emmanuelle 07-22-2004 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
hehehe glad someone caught that

BTW, Brutus Black listings have begun ;)

bought some new accounts to dump traffic on galleries ;)


Awesome:thumbsup

I really think you'll be pleased with how well that site converts on tgp traffic

HS-Trixxxia 07-22-2004 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
Umm did you read that ?? Theres nothing in there to say he cant take PUBLIC photos of women at beaches , nor could i see it falling under any "sexual" category

That Part V of the Criminal Code be amended to create a specific offence that would prohibit surreptitious, non-consensual viewing, photographing or videotaping of another person in a dwelling house or business premises where there is an expectation of privacy and if the viewing, photographing or videotaping is done for a sexual purpose.


I'm getting he public pictures law from Quebec give me a few.

baddog 07-22-2004 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
Most attorney's don't know more than you or i about internet law.


agreed, however, this was an Internet attorney

yanik 07-22-2004 01:55 PM

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But let say I take pictures at a club when one has to be at least 18 yrs old to enter, would it be legal to take nude pictures of girls without any release form?

You cant shoot your content in a strip club :P

JFK 07-22-2004 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss
www.eurobeach.com

These guys have been around forever! They even sell dvd's and stuff.

Great site :)

Bad Link :(

DrGuile 07-22-2004 02:02 PM

In Quebec, there was a ruling not so long ago that said that if your picture has a subject, you need its release (her release in this case)

So if you shoot a picture of the beach (with dozen of people going about their business) its fine. But if you shoot a picture of a girl or two on the beach, no release = possible lawsuit

emmanuelle 07-22-2004 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DrGuile
In Quebec, there was a ruling not so long ago that said that if your picture has a subject, you need its release (her release in this case)

So if you shoot a picture of the beach (with dozen of people going about their business) its fine. But if you shoot a picture of a girl or two on the beach, no release = possible lawsuit


Pretty easy to get around that by taking huge raws, then cropping them.

Dirty F 07-22-2004 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JFK
Bad Link :(
Theyve been around for years and ofcourse the moment i post the link they either dissapeared or the server is down :/

HS-Trixxxia 07-22-2004 02:30 PM

Alex - like I said, contact a lawyer.

http://www.cdpdj.qc.ca/en/human-righ...noeud2=3&cle=0

Read the Quebec Charter of Human Rights -
You'd be infringing on two of them:
The right to protection of personal dignity, honour and reputation [s. 4].


The right to privacy [s. 5].


& The following are also required to comply with the Charter:
all groups and organizations;


all private businesses;


all services, whether public or private;


all government authorities (provincial, municipal, educational, etc.);


the government of Québec and its institutions, at all levels.
In Québec, no individual or organization whatsoever under provincial jurisdiction* may be exempted from the provisions of the Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms. [s. 55].


Besides that - if you so happen to get a juvenile in there - your problems are even more severe. I'm not telling you don't - I'm not telling you do it - I'm saying get a lawyer to give you confirmation - I did.

Fletch XXX 07-22-2004 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss
Theyve been around for years and ofcourse the moment i post the link they either dissapeared or the server is down :/
worked fine for me


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