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Since I wrote the Klixxx article I can actually post it here for you now
Since I wrote the Klixxx article I can actually post it here for you now. Clearly the other thread got the point lost.
Anyway, here was the article: Chargebacks You don?t have to be unethical to have chargeback problems. Sparse content and aggressive marketing methods are only two potential causes of chargebacks. The bottom line is that any program doing significant joins has to deal with the issue. There are a number of factors that can cause you to go above the 1% chargeback ratio that Visa allows, including natural attrition, your members? area, webmaster fraud, support issues, cross sells and your price point to consumers. If you want to stay below the 1% mark, you?ll need to deal with every one of these points. The other day I was reading the Terms and Conditions for processing through Jettis and I noticed a clause in their contract that required you to phase out processing over a 6 month period if you wanted to leave them as a client. This is because people rarely get notified each month when they are billed. It is quite common for a customer to notice that they have been getting billed recurrently only after some time has passed. If you don?t send new charges through the same IPSP account over and over, natural attrition of your customer base will put you over 1%. I know of one very high volume and well-known sponsor program that processed through Jettis for years and then switched to Epoch for various reasons. Recently that sponsor has had to start sending charges through Jettis again because they went over 1% by not sending them new joins. Now they will need to go back to Epoch for new joins because they will have the same problem there. What?s the solution? Get your own merchant account and run all of your primary processing through it or rotate two separate IPSPs so you don?t put all your eggs in one basket. Technically, customers aren?t supposed to chargeback fees just because they don?t like the product. However, in reality this happens all the time. Having a great members? area will not only decrease chargebacks but will also increase your total billing! At CJ Bucks, we do everything we can to keep the customers happy including separate members? areas for each of our sites and tons of well-organized content. This may come as a surprise, but there are many fraudulent webmasters! All program owners regularly cancel webmasters for pushing through fraudulent transactions. The frauds want to get a check from you before you?ve noticed so the key is to notice and catch them before you send the check. Most IPSPs will inform you of fraudulent webmasters, but you can always catch more than the processor by taking ownership of the issue yourself. Some methods are easier than others. One easy way to catch the crook is to look at their conversion ratios. If you have a webmaster pushing through joins at 1:3, the odds are that they are frauding you. If you show me a traffic source that converts at 1 in 3 I?ll buy all of the traffic for sale because such a thing just doesn?t exist. A much more difficult technique would be to build a system that checks to see if members login to their members? areas. If a webmaster sends five joins to you and none of those joins login to the sites, odds are that its fraudulent. The bottom line is that you must have a system in place to protect yourself against fraud. At CJ Bucks, we have many, so most crooks look for an easier target. Your support systems can make a huge difference. When a pay site member needs support or chooses to cancel, they have two choices: go to your site and look for support channels or go to the emails they received when they joined the program. Those emails most likely came from your IPSP and contain email addresses, links and/or phone numbers. Your IPSP couldn?t possibly answer questions about your members? area or the encoding of your videos. I know of at least three sponsors who have asked their IPSP to change the information on those emails so that all requests funnel through the sponsor who actually sold the membership. Cross sells are often blamed for the chargeback problem. Again, it?s how you use the cross sells that counts most. Some programs bury in their terms and conditions that the end user is joining more than one site while others use check boxes or even pre-checked boxes on their join page. Clearly there is a middle ground here -- your job, as a program owner, is to find that balance. I prefer the pre-checked boxes, but I leave the recurring monthly price for those memberships at 24.95 or less. I think that hooking someone up with two separate 39.95 a month memberships is just a bit too much, and, besides, the CEO of a major IPSP assures me that many banks won?t chargeback charges of less than 25 dollars. Chargebacks are obviously an important concern of everyone involved in a sponsor program, but the issue isn?t as cut-and-dry as simply offering better content. Of course, when selling an intangible product, it never hurts to deliver above and beyond your customers? expectations, but unless you efficiently shore-up all points of potential chargeback leakage, you still might find yourself running aground with the 1% policy. -------------------- Note: I wrote this months ago and the magazine just got mailed. I've learned a lot myself since this writing and will be posting more thoughts in a minute. |
Thanks for posting that :thumbsup
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very nice read. good job!
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Great article :thumbsup
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Well put! That is a well thought out, timely and informative article. Rick, nice job!!
What have you found is the balance between membership price and cross sell prices that work to maximize the join without exposure? |
Good read, thx for posting it. :glugglug
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great read
rick, i need to shoot down there and talk to you in a week or so about something else signup4cash has in mind. whens a good time to come down and where is a nice place to stay? |
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I like this article, especially the part about sponsor changing the info in the welcome email... " I know of at least three sponsors who have asked their IPSP to change the information on those emails so that all requests funnel through the sponsor who actually sold the membership."
You and I had a long conversation about this in Curacao and you know my views and ideas on this issue. BTW I still think my idea would do great in this industry and would love to be able to run a test with you anytime you would be willing to... don't need much to run a test you know :winkwink: |
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nice stufff Rick,
comprehensive overview on the issue, lots of nice points in there:thumbsup |
Thanks, Rick - now I don't have to look at nekkid wimmins to read it :)
Awesome article!! :thumbsup |
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rick u rock
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we will be coming out with a new price point no one has tried, we will launch it with the new pornkings this month. I will keep you posted. had to get Paycom to agree:winkwink:
Always need to think one step ahead our Porn4abuck keeps us out of any chargeback issue's. Knock on wood stay tuned for new and exciting things Good read Rick |
great read :thumbsup
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I have a bunch of 8.00 cb's
im sure quite a few people do. Also, jettis isnt the only one that wants someone to phase out processing if they leave..thats no big secret. Every processor will do that. |
Thanks for posting!
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you never stop amazing me how smart you are.
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Great read Rick......well written, well laid out and lots of food for thought......looks like you inspired a lot of people to rethink their pricing structure and strategy......nice contribution!
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There were some good points in that article. I think everyone should read it even if they don't run paysites. :2 cents:
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great article Rick :thumbsup
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Excellent read!
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I must agree a good read!!
Rick is a genuis :thumbsup |
I can live with $19.95 a month!
Per member:) But wooo nelli them webmasters gonna be pinched! Kiss good buy them 50 dollar payouts! :1orglaugh |
good article Rick :thumbsup
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CSI was infamous for saying "oh, congrats, you're growing! In order for us to continue to process for you we're going to hold onto 100% of your deposits until we have $10K. Once we have $10k, we'll release 80% of your net earnings twice a week. We don't care that you have webmasters, bills, etc. to pay, we don't trust you because you're adult. Oh, you've had another account with us for years? Fuck you, we don't care." |
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Also, I agree that Jettis isn't the only one. It was just their TOS that got me thinking. |
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seriously, if you wanna be right by their office stay at the Omni, it is right next door...well, almost hit me up when you come though, stay an extra day and we will woop it up again, i promise no jail this time.... |
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Great read. thanks :thumbsup
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Chargebacks occur at FDR (First Data) for less than $25.00. First data currently does the large bulk of all IPSP business, although that is set to change here very soon. CCBill does not run their charges through FDR but they too have chargebacks for less than $25.00
Upselling, whenever there will be multiple charges from the same source on a credit card gets extra scrutiny from the consumer and the banks. Be it cross-selling, or upselling within the member's area the level of chargebacks is always higher with these products. You have to have a strong product behind them backed with good customer service or you will quickly butt up againt 1% if you push any real volume. I have been told in the past by a few different folks high up in the IPSP chain of command that chargebacks increase incrementally by the raise in pricing point. With the exact same product you will see higher chargebacks the higher your price point. Many IPSPs will not take charges over $50 as they have found that consumers "see" those charges alot more than usual and the visibility results in significantly higher chargebacks. That was a very informative read Rick, too bad instead of reading it yesterday we instead had to take that 5 hr detour through mudfields to get here. GFY needs it drama I guess. |
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