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Massivecock 11-16-2003 05:48 AM

What in the Fuck!!!!??? Please tell me im Dreaming!!!!- Disturbing Article!
 
The New York Times In America
November 14, 2003
Deal on 9/11 Briefings Lets White House Edit Papers
By PHILIP SHENON
http://www.rcn.com/internet/news-tips/index.html

WASHINGTON, Nov. 13 ? The commission investigating the Sept. 11 terror attacks said on Thursday that its deal with the White House for access to highly classified Oval Office intelligence reports would let the White House edit the documents before they were released to the commission's representatives.

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White house Edit the papers????

What in the fuck?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Please tell me this is a bad joke.

911 Appears to have been a set up from our own government who had knowledge if not complicity fully 6 months prior to 911. We MUST have a full complete and honest investigation. To date the 911 investigation costs are 4 million whereas 43 million was spent to investigate Monica & Bill. I was no fan of Clinton, but these charges MUST be examined. If we are to remain a free Republic we must have a full and open inquiry.


4 million on 911 - 43 million on Clinton and Monica??

Excuse me but 911 was the most insane event in Usa History
and you mean to tell me 10X more money was spent investigating Cliton and Monica?

Something smells fucked up here!!



In my opinion this so-called deal renders the Commission a farce and their investigation a joke. This so-called compromise has compromised the now spineless, toothless Commission. The Commission plainly tips their hand in refusing to reveal to the family members the simple details of the agreement. It demonstrates to every American told the world changed forever on 9/11, to all those who harbor doubts about the official story and who seek genuine transparency and accountability that it's just business as usual as the truth is buried behind rhetoric, a dark veil of secrecy and denial, and a convoluted set of conditions of access. Both the cowed Commission and the duplicitous President who created it only after his hand was forced by the victims' families are complicit in this travesty of justice and blatant compromise of investigative standards.


My fucking Gosh!

Madness has comsumed America!!

Furious_Female 11-16-2003 06:00 AM

I find only $4 million spent on the investigation hard to believe. Maybe when someone was claiming responsibility, there wasn't much to investigate initially? But I really don't believe $4 million is all that was ever spent on investigating it.

The damage to our buildings alone, is in the billions.

I do not believe the government knew about 9/11. I believe some of the intelligence might have known something was going to happen, but terrorists make vague and empty threats daily, it would have been impossible to figure out what exactly was going to happen. No one expected that.

Massivecock 11-16-2003 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious_Female
I find only $4 million spent on the investigation hard to believe. Maybe when someone was claiming responsibility, there wasn't much to investigate initially? But I really don't believe $4 million is all that was ever spent on investigating it.

The damage to our buildings alone, is in the billions.

I do not believe the government knew about 9/11. I believe some of the intelligence might have known something was going to happen, but terrorists make vague and empty threats daily, it would have been impossible to figure out what exactly was going to happen. No one expected that.

Well Let me give you a bit of a history lesson.

Back in 1963 the Joint Chief of Staff of the Usa came up with
the Idea to Crash Commercial Airliners into Buildings and blame it on our enemies to get public support, Kill Usa Troops, Bomb citys and so on. It called the Northwood document.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/D...efs_010501.html


http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Northwoods.html

http://www.rense.com/general18/harm.htm


http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fr...northwoods.html

http://whyus.port5.com/northwoods.html

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5,000 isrealies di not show up for work at the WTC that day.

Stock Market Trades in the Usa were up 1200% on those airlines
the day before.

The Stock market company that did the trading was owned by #3
in the Cia at the Time.

Several Senators and Well know Actors were warned not to fly that week!

The president and his admin were on Cipro a anti-anthrax agent 1 month before anthrax attack began.

Poppy bush was in a hotel with Bin-ladens brother when the planes crashed.

Pres bush says he saw the first crash on tv when it happened.
How? The First crash was not televised until the next day!!!

Boeing who makes the planes say the plane exceeding the software limitations. They say the only people who have the ability to over-ride the system is Norad!

Building #7 collapsed in a control manner!
Building #7 was not even hit by the planes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Building #7 had important enron and financial documents that were under investigation.

shall i go on???

myjah 11-16-2003 06:41 AM

this again...it all sounds vaguely familiar. and still just as crazy

Furious_Female 11-16-2003 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Massivecock


Well Let me give you a bit of a history lesson.

Back in 1963 the Joint Chief of Staff of the Usa came up with
the Idea to Crash Commercial Airliners into Buildings and blame it on our enemies to get public support, Kill Usa Troops, Bomb citys and so on. It called the Northwood document.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/D...efs_010501.html


http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Northwoods.html

http://www.rense.com/general18/harm.htm


http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fr...northwoods.html

http://whyus.port5.com/northwoods.html

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5,000 isrealies di not show up for work at the WTC that day.

Stock Market Trades in the Usa were up 1200% on those airlines
the day before.

The Stock market company that did the trading was owned by #3
in the Cia at the Time.

Several Senators and Well know Actors were warned not to fly that week!

The president and his admin were on Cipro a anti-anthrax agent 1 month before anthrax attack began.

Poppy bush was in a hotel with Bin-ladens brother when the planes crashed.

Pres bush says he saw the first crash on tv when it happened.
How? The First crash was not televised until the next day!!!

Boeing who makes the planes say the plane exceeding the software limitations. They say the only people who have the ability to over-ride the system is Norad!

Building #7 collapsed in a control manner!
Building #7 was not even hit by the planes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Building #7 had important enron and financial documents that were under investigation.

shall i go on???

Anyone can form a conspiracy theory if you dig deep enough and try hard enough. I don't feel the US would want to intentionally cripple it's economy further. Afterall, the US does everything with money in mind.

ytcracker 11-16-2003 07:08 AM

fuck liberal propaganda

money respect hoes and gats biatch

Nathan 11-16-2003 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Massivecock

5,000 isrealies di not show up for work at the WTC that day.

Stock Market Trades in the Usa were up 1200% on those airlines
the day before.

The Stock market company that did the trading was owned by #3
in the Cia at the Time.

Several Senators and Well know Actors were warned not to fly that week!

The president and his admin were on Cipro a anti-anthrax agent 1 month before anthrax attack began.

Poppy bush was in a hotel with Bin-ladens brother when the planes crashed.

Pres bush says he saw the first crash on tv when it happened.
How? The First crash was not televised until the next day!!!

Boeing who makes the planes say the plane exceeding the software limitations. They say the only people who have the ability to over-ride the system is Norad!

Building #7 collapsed in a control manner!
Building #7 was not even hit by the planes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Building #7 had important enron and financial documents that were under investigation.

shall i go on???

oh please.. this is all lame conspiracy crap... its 100% unproven.

NetRodent 11-16-2003 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Massivecock

5,000 isrealies di not show up for work at the WTC that day.

Pres bush says he saw the first crash on tv when it happened.
How? The First crash was not televised until the next day!!!

Boeing who makes the planes say the plane exceeding the software limitations. They say the only people who have the ability to over-ride the system is Norad!

Do you have reputable sources for these?

I seem to remember that Bush was addressing a bunch of school children when the first attack happened. That would make it kinda hard to watch live.

I've heard this claim of 5000 jews not going to work that day many times. However, I've never heard of an interview with any of them. Does anyone know their names? Has anyone talked to one of them to ask why they didn't go?

Your Boeing claim sounds highly suspect. Why would Norad (which is basically a joint US/Canadian group of Radars) need to know about overriding software limitions? Wouldn't the FAA be likely to know? Wouldn't the engineers who designed the system be able to override it?

Massivecock 11-16-2003 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nathan


oh please.. this is all lame conspiracy crap... its 100% unproven.

The Goverments Version is Unproven!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What Proof Have they showed us?????????????????????

Please I beg you to make their story make sense!!!

I will give $50,000 To anyone who can make the Governments
Theory on how it happend provable or even make sense!!!!

Bring it on you Fucking Stupid Brainwashed Mother Fuckers!
Put your money where you mouth is!!!!!!!!!!!

What Fucking Proof Did they show you????????????

Answer Me!!!!!

Their Theory doesn't hold up for even 2 sec's!!!!


Why dont your fucking retards do some fucking research insted of sitting on your at asses and watching The Osbornes and MTV!!!
Absorbing all the Media Lies from fox and Cnn The Fucking Rabid Sponges, With nothing to back up any of your fucking idiotic ideas with!!!

Back up what you say!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thats All I ask any of you !!!

You Fucking Cant!!!

I Saw it on Cnn....
I dont Believe the Govt would do that!!!????

What!!!!!

The World is a much more evil place than you think!

Pathetic how you all can put down my theorys with not a shread of evidence to support yours!!!!

HA!!!!

Massivecock 11-16-2003 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by NetRodent


Do you have reputable sources for these?

I seem to remember that Bush was addressing a bunch of school children when the first attack happened. That would make it kinda hard to watch live.

I've heard this claim of 5000 jews not going to work that day many times. However, I've never heard of an interview with any of them. Does anyone know their names? Has anyone talked to one of them to ask why they didn't go?

Your Boeing claim sounds highly suspect. Why would Norad (which is basically a joint US/Canadian group of Radars) need to know about overriding software limitions? Wouldn't the FAA be likely to know? Wouldn't the engineers who designed the system be able to override it?

Planes of 911 Exceeded Their Software Limits
sianews
by Jim Heikkila
Saturday August 17, 2002

Two of the aircraft exceeded their software limits on 9/11.


The Boeing 757 and 767 are equipped with fully autonomous flight capability, they are the only two Boeing commuter aircraft capable of fully autonomous flight. They can be programmed to take off, fly to a destination and land, completely without a pilot at the controls.

They are intelligent planes, and have software limits pre set so that pilot error cannot cause passenger injury. Though they are physically capable of high g maneuvers, the software in their flight control systems prevents high g maneuvers from being performed via the cockpit controls. They are limited to approximately 1.5 g's, I repeat, one and one half g's. This is so that a pilot mistake cannot end up breaking grandma's neck.

No matter what the pilot wants, he cannot override this feature.

The plane that hit the Pentagon approached or reached its actual physical limits, military personnel have calculated that the Pentagon plane pulled between five and seven g's in its final turn.

The same is true for the second aircraft to impact the WTC.

There is only one way this can happen.

As well as fully autonomous flight capability, the 767 and 757 are the ONLY COMMUTER PLANES MADE BY BOEING THAT CAN BE FLOWN VIA REMOTE CONTROL. It is a feature that is standard to all of them, all 757's and 767's can do it. The purpose for this is if there is a problem with the pilots, Norad can fly the planes to safe destinations via remote. Only in this flight mode can those craft exceed their software limits and perform to their actual physical limits because a pre existing emergency situation is assumed if this mode of flight is used.

Terrorists in fact did not fly those planes, it is totally and completely impossible for those planes to have been flown in such a manner from the cockpit. Those are commuter aircraft, not F-16's and their software knows it.

Another piece of critical evidence: the voice recorders came up blank.

The flight recorders that were recovered had tape that was undamaged inside, but it was blank. There is only one way this can happen on a 757 or 767. When the aircraft are commandeered via remote control, the microphones that go to the cockpit voice recorder are re routed to the people doing the remote controlling, so that the recording of what happened in the cockpit gets made in a presumably safer place. But due to a glitch in the system on a 757/767, rather than shutting off when the mic is redirected the voice recorder keeps running. The voice recorders use what is called a continuous loop tape, which automatically re passes itself past the erase and record heads once every half hour, so after a half hour of running with the microphones redirected, the tape will be blank. Just like the recovered tapes were. Yet more proof that no pilot flew those planes in the last half hour.

Eight of the hijackers who were on those planes called up complaining that they were still alive. I'd bet you never heard about our foreign minister flying to Morocco and issuing an official apology to the accused, did you? No, terrorists did not fly those planes, plastic knives and box cutters were in fact too ridiculous to be true. Any of the remaining accused have certainly been sought out and killed by now.

Our information IS controlled

The cell phone calls from the aircraft could not have happened. I am a National Security Agency trained Electronic Warfare specialist, and am qualified to say this. My official title: MOS33Q10, Electronic Warfare Intercept Strategic Signal Processing/Storage Systems Specialist, a highly skilled MOS which requires advanced knowledge of many communications methods and circuits to the most minute level. I am officially qualified to place severe doubt that ordinary cell phone calls were ever made from the aircraft.

It was impossible for that to have happened, especially in a rural area for a number of reasons.

When you make a cell phone call, the first thing that happens is that your cell phone needs to contact a transponder. Your cell phone has a max transmit power of five watts, three watts is actually the norm. If an aircraft is going five hundred miles an hour, your cell phone will not be able to 1. Contact a tower, 2. Tell the tower who you are, and who your provider is, 3. Tell the tower what mode it wants to communicate with, and 4. Establish that it is in a roaming area before it passes out of a five watt range. This procedure, called an electronic handshake, takes approximately 45 seconds for a cell phone to complete upon initial power up in a roaming area because neither the cell phone or cell transponder knows where that phone is and what mode it uses when it is turned on. At 500 miles an hour, the aircraft will travel three times the range of a cell phone's five watt transmitter before this handshaking can occur. Though it is sometimes possible to connect during takeoff and landing, under the situation that was claimed the calls were impossible. The calls from the airplane were faked, no if's or buts.

I hope I made sense, if you have questions I will respond if possible. If I do not respond, please research this out yourself, search the boeing site, search the DARPA site, search were you have not searched before. Some of the information is classified and leaked by individuals, and it is also being scoured from the net. I have all of the original documents on my computer to safeguard against this.

Please do not ignore this, because only Norad has the flight codes for those aircraft, we did 911 to ourselves. Hitler had the Reichstag, we have 911. If 911 proves to not be enough to make the US citizenry set aside its rights for safety, the people who did 911 most certainly have access to nuclear material. 911 must be exposed for what it was before that material is used. "

goBigtime 11-16-2003 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Massivecock



shall i go on???


http://fusionanomaly.net/matrixcnsunplugged.jpg

Ignorance is bliss.

Massivecock 11-16-2003 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by goBigtime



http://fusionanomaly.net/matrixcnsunplugged.jpg

Ignorance is bliss.


Yes i can be sometimes... its only temporary though!

LOL!

No hard feelings anyone,,, I just had to Vent!!

I love you all!

No really I do.... :)
and I'm not gay so don't get any funny ideas!

Doctor Dre 11-16-2003 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious_Female


Anyone can form a conspiracy theory if you dig deep enough and try hard enough. I don't feel the US would want to intentionally cripple it's economy further. Afterall, the US does everything with money in mind.

They got 1000 % more control and support ... They put dumb laws and they can do whatever they want

EscortBiz 11-16-2003 07:51 AM

at this point everything is possible, the question is what can we do about it, I think pretty much nothing

NetRodent 11-16-2003 08:04 AM

If these planes are capable of being controlled remotely, why hasn't anyone asked why the planes weren't landed safely by remote control? Surely if a plane could be controlled remotely it would be common knowledge among the pilots, engineers, airline executives. Surely a few of them would ask this very question.

Also, the section on cellphones not being able to work on a flying plane are interesting. There are many articles debating the saftey of cell phones on airliners, however aside from the 9/11 conspiracy sites, I haven't found one that says it isn't possible. By the same token, most of the articles don't explicitly say the cell phones will work at 500mph but they certainly imply it. Surely, there would be anecdotal evidence about cellphones not working. Surely people wouldn't want to lift the ban on using cellphones on planes if they didn't work.

Furious_Female 11-16-2003 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Doctor Dre

They got 1000 % more control and support ... They put dumb laws and they can do whatever they want

We always had all the control. Where was all the support when we were going into Iraq? Bush has done nothing but sacrifice his popularity through all of this. He had the popularity... now he has to fight back for it. If the government knew about 9/11, they should have also had an elaborate plan for what happens after that as well. Nothing good has come out of it thus far.

Like EscortBiz said, anything is possible... but what can we do about it? Nothing. I'd like to believe that there's more good people than bad people in this world and that includes my government and our leaders.

Roger 11-16-2003 08:14 AM

Yeah I'm sure it'll help there investigation a lot once they get there hands on those edited documents :)
Seems to me like they're protecting someone, perhaps an incompetent employee.

More and more of our freedoms are lost everyday and that's not happening only in America, even Europe saw 9/11 as an excuse to take back some power from the people.

jennym 11-16-2003 08:14 AM

How can you say we are

"Absorbing all the Media Lies from fox and Cnn The Fucking Rabid Sponges, With nothing to back up any of your fucking idiotic ideas with!!!"

and then try to back up your story with a fucking MEDIA report? This is what totally confuses me!

Furious_Male 11-16-2003 08:44 AM

I am all for thinking out of the box. I don't buy everything the media tells me but I do look at things realisticaly.

The White House wants to edit those documents not because they planned 911 but because they did have a good idea it was going to happen. It appears that intelligence had a good idea what was going to happen but either 1- couldnt stop it 2- it was to vague to narrow down locations or 3- questioned there own sources.

The White House doesnt want it officialy released that they knew 911 was going to occur in one way or another, and did nothing to stop it. I strongly feel that is what they want to edit in those documents.

The only other point I want to comment on is the cell phone calls. I can respect massivecocks knowledge in that field and it does sound impressive and extensive however I myself on more then one occassion witnessed cell phone usage while flying over the Eastern US. When you see the guy in the seat across from you talking on his phone while in flight thats all the proof I need to know they work while in flight. Besides its a well known fact that people sneak calls all the time on flights. The FFA is currently working on allowing cell phone usage by the year 2006. As far as I am concerned that theory can be thrown out the window.

ChumpChange 11-16-2003 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Massivecock

My fucking Gosh!

Madness has comsumed America!!


Glad to see in the real world..where you been for the last 2 years.it's only going to get worse,unless 'we' revolt and start a new

Freeway 11-16-2003 09:14 AM

This Headline from Sky News ties into it all real nice. And it was even confirmed by our goverment, sort of, lol.
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...758358,00.html

icedemon 11-16-2003 09:23 AM

Ok, it's time to start a revolution. Who's with me to take over the government? We can get all the GFY people togather and take over the white house to start. We'll take over the government with the same pecking order as the adult industry. Send the newbies in first. Should we have SleazyDream or BradShaw for our new president? We'll run the world with porn.

My theory is that the above will happen with in the next year. I have websites to back up my theory. That is the only proof I need.

chodadog 11-16-2003 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Massivecock
The Goverments Version is Unproven!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What Proof Have they showed us?????????????????????

Someone points out that you've given no proof for any of your theories, and you come back with this? Are you saying that because you don't find the government's evidence convincing, you don't even need any evidence at all to support you claims? You can just make it up as you go along? Is that it?

Find me proof that 5000 jews didn't go to work that day. Don't just give me a link to an article written by one of your tin foil hat wearing buddies. I want some kind of evidence. I think you'd have a hard time coming up with it though. You'd think records of who was at work that day would have been destroyed, huh?

"The Stock market company that did the trading was owned by #3
in the Cia at the Time."

Show me the history of the stock. Prove to me that this claim is true. Then find me some proof that the number 3 in the CIA was the owner of that company. Or was this just some nonsense you found written by some 15 year old fuckwit?

You go on and on about hwo the government has no proof. There is plenty of evidence to support the government's claims. You haven't produced a shred of evidence to support the bullshit you always ramble on about. Just one shred of evidence, other than an article written by a guy who just made it up on the fly. Please.

Rand 11-16-2003 09:49 AM

All very interesting indeed. I've questioned government involvement in 911 since that morning. I wish someone could "prove" something one way or the other.

Hey Massivecock, the link you posted gives me a 404. :-(

http://www.rcn.com/internet/news-tips/index.html

triumph 11-16-2003 09:51 AM

I think you need to edit your post before the government see it.

GotGauge 11-16-2003 10:01 AM

the Cell phone thing is crap.

I have seen people use phones in flight. Many times I have heard them ringing, see the people answer, say something short, and then turn the phone off, while looking around to see who
saw!

dirtyone 11-16-2003 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Massivecock


Stock Market Trades in the Usa were up 1200% on those airlines
the day before.

The Stock market company that did the trading was owned by #3
in the Cia at the Time.



Go here http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/

Type in AMR

Look at a 4 year history

Type in UALAQ

Look at a 4 year history

I don't see a 1200% increas in the daily trading activity on Sept. 10

Who is the Stock market company that did the trading you speak of?

I'm not looking to piss with you this afternoon but I have presented facts that debunk your so called facts. Please prove me wrong and answer my question.

BrentD 11-16-2003 10:16 AM

an article like this was posted here awhile back too, which was ran in a Canadian newspaper, I would not doubt it a bit if it was true, we can kill our own presidents so why not this? (JFK)

directfiesta 11-16-2003 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious_Male


The White House wants to edit those documents not because they planned 911 but because they did have a good idea it was going to happen. It appears that intelligence had a good idea what was going to happen but either 1- couldnt stop it 2- it was to vague to narrow down locations or 3- questioned there own sources.

How about:

4. report indicated a "friendly" country was behind the upcomming terrorism act.

5. need to rally the population to attack Iraq, as decided by the neo-conservative ( New American Century : http://www.newamericancentury.org/index.html ) way before 9/11.

pornguy 11-16-2003 10:54 AM

I believe that our government has done some things in the past. ( JFK ) ( Pearl Harbor was a result of the government putting the entire felle at anchor while having talks with Japan. )

As for Direct involvment in 9/11. I feel that they knew. I also feel they they new when where and how, but did nothing to stop it. And remember that almost everysingle person in the government stoo to gain from this.. That makes it finincally movitated. They did not loose a single dime by their company being damaged.

I think they new, but were not directly involved..

Phil21 11-16-2003 11:21 AM

Cell phone thing is wrong, enough people have provided ancedotal evidence for that. Cell phone use on planes is not even dangerous, it simply MAY interfere (i.e. hasn't been tested), and more to the point fucks hardcore w/ the ground towers since your phone can "see" so many at one time. Think of a DoS against the cell phone network when your phone is on, it's contacting dozens of towers at a time taking up resources where it would normally only take up 2 or 3's at most. Now multiply that by how many people are on a plane...

The above is confirmed many times by those working in the field with cellular. I can dig up links if you prefer, but it's so common knowledge that I don't feel the need right now.


So.. One crazy rambling debunked. Hmm...

Remote control on the planes is complete and utter BS. Especially by "NORAD". Right. Those planes do not have the capability, I challenge you to find one link supporting that. Coming from Boeing or a company that can retrofit planes to do what you want. Obviousl this would be in product literature if true.

The only thing you will find is expensive bulky one-off solutions made for test-crashes and the like. Nothing like what you say at all.

Also provide evidence where military folks (or anyone with a clue) estimated the G forces in the plane.

At least paste something mildly believable next time. I'm not saying or not if the government was involved, but at least provide facts.

-Phil

AkiraSS 11-16-2003 03:10 PM

"It's Toretto, Brian. It always has been Toretto."

Massivecock 11-16-2003 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rand
All very interesting indeed. I've questioned government involvement in 911 since that morning. I wish someone could "prove" something one way or the other.

Hey Massivecock, the link you posted gives me a 404. :-(

http://www.rcn.com/internet/news-tips/index.html


Try this!

http://www.gulufuture.com/future/911gforces.htm

Massivecock 11-16-2003 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chodadog


Someone points out that you've given no proof for any of your theories, and you come back with this? Are you saying that because you don't find the government's evidence convincing, you don't even need any evidence at all to support you claims? You can just make it up as you go along? Is that it?

Find me proof that 5000 jews didn't go to work that day. Don't just give me a link to an article written by one of your tin foil hat wearing buddies. I want some kind of evidence. I think you'd have a hard time coming up with it though. You'd think records of who was at work that day would have been destroyed, huh?

"The Stock market company that did the trading was owned by #3
in the Cia at the Time."

Show me the history of the stock. Prove to me that this claim is true. Then find me some proof that the number 3 in the CIA was the owner of that company. Or was this just some nonsense you found written by some 15 year old fuckwit?

You go on and on about hwo the government has no proof. There is plenty of evidence to support the government's claims. You haven't produced a shred of evidence to support the bullshit you always ramble on about. Just one shred of evidence, other than an article written by a guy who just made it up on the fly. Please.


Ok then.. Here we go!

More serious was an article in the Sept. 28, 2001 edition of the Washington Post stating that officials with the instant messaging firm of Odigo in New York confirmed that two employees in Israel received text messages warning of an attack on the WTC two hours before the planes crashed into the buildings!

The firm's vice president of sales and marketing, Alex Diamandis said it was possible that the warning was sent to other Odigo members, but they had not received any reports of such.

The day after, the Jerusalem Post claimed two Israelis died on the hijacked airplanes and that 4,000 were missing at the WTC.

A week later, a Beirut television station reported that 4,000 Israeli employees of the WTC were absent the day of the attack.

This information spread across the Internet but was quickly branded a hoax.

On Sept. 19, the Washington Post reported about 113 Israelis were missing at the WTC and the next day, President Bush noted more than 130 Israelis were victims.

Finally, on Sept. 22, the New York Times stated "There were, in fact, only three Israelis who had been confirmed as dead: two on the planes and another who had been visiting the towers on business and who was identified and buried."

Read the full article below.

src - http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/42604.php
One of many sources.

Massivecock 11-16-2003 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chodadog


Someone points out that you've given no proof for any of your theories, and you come back with this? Are you saying that because you don't find the government's evidence convincing, you don't even need any evidence at all to support you claims? You can just make it up as you go along? Is that it?

Find me proof that 5000 jews didn't go to work that day. Don't just give me a link to an article written by one of your tin foil hat wearing buddies. I want some kind of evidence. I think you'd have a hard time coming up with it though. You'd think records of who was at work that day would have been destroyed, huh?

"The Stock market company that did the trading was owned by #3
in the Cia at the Time."

Show me the history of the stock. Prove to me that this claim is true. Then find me some proof that the number 3 in the CIA was the owner of that company. Or was this just some nonsense you found written by some 15 year old fuckwit?

You go on and on about hwo the government has no proof. There is plenty of evidence to support the government's claims. You haven't produced a shred of evidence to support the bullshit you always ramble on about. Just one shred of evidence, other than an article written by a guy who just made it up on the fly. Please.

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911 Insider Trading Linked to CIA
18-Sep-2003


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While most of us were shocked and appalled by the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, some people made money?a lot of money? from them. A number of transactions in the financial markets indicated clear and specific knowledge about what was going to happen that day. And the reason may the large number of people who were once high up in the CIA and went on to dominate Wall Street and banking.
"Selling Short" means borrowing stock, selling it at current market prices, but not being required to actually produce the stock right away. If the stock price falls later on, the seller can buy it back at the pre-crash price. "Put Options" are purchased low prices, such as $1 per share, and are sold in groups of 100. If exercised, they give you the right to sell the stock the put is written on at a future date at the price that?s set when the contract is issued. This means that the owner of the put can sell the stock at a high price even if it has dropped, and keep the difference.

Michael C. Ruppert, of the Center for Research on Globalization, writes that a September 21 story by the Israeli Herzliyya International Policy Institute for Counterterrorism, entitled "Black Tuesday: The World's Largest Insider Trading Scam?" documented the following trades connected to the September 11 attacks:

Between September 6 and 7, the Chicago Board Options Exchange had purchases of 4,744 put options on United Airlines, but only 396 call options. Assuming that 4,000 of these put options were bought by people with advance knowledge of the upcoming attacks, they profited by almost $5 million.

On September 10, 4,516 put options on American Airlines were bought on the Chicago exchange, compared to only 748 calls. Again, there was no reason for this imbalance, and 4,000 of these new options add up to a profit of almost $4 million. The levels of put options purchased in that time period was more than six times higher than normal, and no similar trading in other airlines occurred on the Chicago exchange during that period.

The stockbroker Morgan Stanley Dean Witter & Co. occupied 22 floors of the World Trade Center. 2,157 of its October $45 put options were bought in the three trading days before 911, while only an average of 27 per day were bought before September 6. Morgan Stanley's share price fell from $48.90 to $42.50 after the attacks. Assuming that 2,000 of these options contracts were bought based on knowledge of the upcoming attacks, someone made a profit of at least $1.2 million.

Another stockbroker, Merrill Lynch & Co., also occupied 22 floors of the World Trade Center. 12,215 of its October $45 put options were bought in the four trading days before the attacks; the previous average volume had been 252 contracts per day, so this was a 1,200% increase. When trading resumed after 911, Merrill's shares fell from $46.88 to $41.50. If 11,000 option contracts were bought by people with "inside knowledge," their profit was about $5.5 million.

On September 29, 2001, the San Francisco Chronicle wrote, "Investors have yet to collect more than $2.5 million in profits they made trading options in the stock of United Airlines before the Sept. 11, terrorist attacks, according to a source familiar with the trades and market data. The uncollected money raises suspicions that the investors? whose identities and nationalities have not been made public? had advance knowledge of the strikes."

Why go to the trouble of making these deals when the profits aren't collected? It's because the suspension of trading for four days after the attacks made it impossible for them to get their cash out quickly before officials started investigating. You can place a "put" or "call" anonymously, by hiding behind an overseas corporation for instance, but it's easier to track money than to identify corporate directors, so collecting the money could be risky.

We need to understand the relationships between the CIA, banks and brokerage houses. During the 911 attacks, A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard was Chairman of the investment bank A.B. Brown, which was acquired by Banker's Trust in 1997. Krongard then became Vice Chairman of Banker's Trust, which is one of the 20 major U.S. banks named by Senator Carl Levin as being connected to the laundering of drug money. Krongard handled "private client relations" with some of the world's wealthiest people.

Krongard joined the CIA in 1998 as counsel to CIA Director George Tenet. He was promoted to CIA Executive Director by President Bush this March. Bankers Trust was acquired by Deutsche Bank in 1999, and is now the largest bank in Europe. It played several key roles in events connected to 911. The CIA has long monitored insider trading as potential warnings of terrorist attacks and other economic moves against U.S. interests, using Promis software. Clark Clifford, former Secretary of Defense, managed to get the corrupt CIA drug bank BCCI a license to operate on American shores. John Foster and Allen Dulles, who were both active in intelligence operations during WW II, ended up as partners in the pwoerful Wall Street firm of Sullivan, Cromwell.

Bill Casey, Ronald Reagan's CIA Director, was a Wall Street lawyer and stockbroker. David Doherty, the current Vice President of the New York Stock Exchange, is a retired lawyer for the CIA. Ex-President George Herbert Walker Bush was CIA Director for 13 months from 1976-77. John Deutch, retired CIA Director from the Clinton Administration, is now on the board of Citigroup, the nation's second largest bank, which has been involved in the documented laundering drug money. In 2001, Citigroup purchased the Mexican bank Banamex for this purpose.

There are plenty of other bank and Wall Street connections to the CIA. There's a lot of proof that at least part of the CIA (along with the FBI) had evidence of the upcoming 911 attacks, but didn't stop them, because the information didn't filter up to the top, where action could be initiated. Could the information have been deflected along the way by "insiders" who saw them it a chance to make big money, despite the fact that thousands of people would die as a result?

The administration has fiercely resisted any genuine investigation of the 911 disaster, and continues to do so.


http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=3123

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2001/10/14723.html

http://anderson.ath.cx:8000/911/pk08.html

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/RUP110A.html

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/w...radingact.html

Check out and read the info on all these links..
Then come and talk!!

Massivecock 11-16-2003 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by dirtyone


Go here http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/

Type in AMR

Look at a 4 year history

Type in UALAQ

Look at a 4 year history

I don't see a 1200% increas in the daily trading activity on Sept. 10

Who is the Stock market company that did the trading you speak of?

I'm not looking to piss with you this afternoon but I have presented facts that debunk your so called facts. Please prove me wrong and answer my question.


Let me clarify..

The increase was in the " put options " on the airlines in question
not the stock market as a whole.

http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=3123

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2001/10/14723.html

http://anderson.ath.cx:8000/911/pk08.html

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/RUP110A.html

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/...tradingact.html

icedemon 11-16-2003 06:12 PM

Your sources don't exactly impress me that they are doing their research and getting the facts. None of them show any evidence.
unknowncountry.com talks about ufos and such. Just another theory website.
vancouver.indymedia.org have some truthful stories, but looks more like a hippie website (nothing against hippies)
anderson.ath.cx:8000/911/911first.html - Just another guy with theories and no facts.
globalresearch.ca another site with just theories and no facts
cooperativeresearch.org this seems to be the only one that has some facts and maybe some evidence to support it for most of the stories it shows.

Your showing websites that have stories about theories (the authors of these stories are just telling their theories). Your not showing evidence. Just remember that your thinking is just a theory. If you come up with some actual evidence (like a true journalist would), then talk to me and it will be spread like wild fire. People with similar theories just feed off of each other. And this proves it.

crockett 11-16-2003 06:39 PM

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A week later, a Beirut television station reported that 4,000 Israeli employees of the WTC were absent the day of the attack.
so I guess none of them decided to tell anyone else about the attacks... as they were too busy saving their own ass..


I fully belive the govt had info on the attacks.. do I think they caried out the attack.. I'd like to belive not, but I'm willing to entertain the thought... But as posted several times... you show no more proof than the govt... on top of that several people have debunked your cell phone claims, yet you don't reply as if you agree or disagree with them... you seem to ignore it..

allso
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Building #7 collapsed in a control manner!
Building #7 was not even hit by the planes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Building #7 had important enron and financial documents that were under investigation.
looked pretty uncontroled to me when I watched it on TV Building #7 as well as the manny others were hit with outragous amounts of falling materials.. Sit back and think how massive WTC 1 & 2 were.. now do you honestly belive their collapse would have no effect on the other buildings around them?

Have you ever watched a building implosion? He you ever sceen the amount of work that has to be done to get a building ready for this? I guess the Men in Black snuck in while no one was watching and set up tons of explosives ....

Eve 11-16-2003 06:50 PM

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Originally posted by jennym
How can you say we are

"Absorbing all the Media Lies from fox and Cnn The Fucking Rabid Sponges, With nothing to back up any of your fucking idiotic ideas with!!!"

and then try to back up your story with a fucking MEDIA report? This is what totally confuses me!

That is how messy-minded conspiracy-addled brains come up with some of this stuff. I am NOT saying that it is not possible, but, if it did play out like that:

1. We will never know
2. See #1

So there is no sense in getting ultra-paranoid.
Just have to live life and hope some nukes don't pop off in your neighborhood one day...

:2 cents:

Massivecock 11-16-2003 07:06 PM

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Originally posted by icedemon
Your sources don't exactly impress me that they are doing their research and getting the facts. None of them show any evidence.
unknowncountry.com talks about ufos and such. Just another theory website.
vancouver.indymedia.org have some truthful stories, but looks more like a hippie website (nothing against hippies)
anderson.ath.cx:8000/911/911first.html - Just another guy with theories and no facts.
globalresearch.ca another site with just theories and no facts
cooperativeresearch.org this seems to be the only one that has some facts and maybe some evidence to support it for most of the stories it shows.

Your showing websites that have stories about theories (the authors of these stories are just telling their theories). Your not showing evidence. Just remember that your thinking is just a theory. If you come up with some actual evidence (like a true journalist would), then talk to me and it will be spread like wild fire. People with similar theories just feed off of each other. And this proves it.


Everything in life is a theory smart ass!!!!!!!!

Even human existance and why we are here is a theroy!!!!

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And you think you have the answers?

do your research and connect the dots!

What have you based your reality on? popular opinion?
or investigative research?

The latter will be more informed than the masses.

You have a brain ... I suggest you might want to start using the other 93% that is not being used right now.

Im not being condesending....

The evil is so big that us trusting humans cannot imagine something so crazy, let alone entertain the idea that it exists.

Thats what they are banking on...
and it seems they have done a great job at it... through their use of controlled media and industry!

Peace...


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