You sell porn? Integrity = 0
 

Had a big argument with my father tonite about integrity. He is insistant that ONE day this business will come back to haunt me. And will bite me in the ass, when I need something the most.

He is absolutely positive that what I am doing is immoral and wrong - and that someone some day will find out and will do some damage to my reputation.

Did you guys all go through the same conversations?

Also - he was really nice... in regards to Sponsors:


Makes you think of course because he's your dad. But at the same time I have to disagree.

Actually - looking here for what you have experienced.

you make much less then 1$ an hr :)

And what the hell does your dad know about the porn industry? Nothing. Leave it at that.

Common, seriously.

Dads like stability,working for the man seems to be the only way .If they knew the potential ,then they would probably ask you to show them how you make decent loot :glugglug

listen to your dad

Yes, he is ALL about working for a company with "integrity" and making a living by working your ass off for some mega corporation.

Sure, there is "potential" but do we mistake that for the thought of "easy money"?

Makes me think. Seriously.

Your dad is a conformist.

My mom found my CollegeSucks.com site about month ago. I had to lie about it and say it wasn't mine -lol- just so I wouldn't hear shit.

I do the site because its fun and there are people out there who like it. Only in the US do people have this fucking morals that seeing a pic of a nude girl is bad. Please!

J.

I agree. Just remember he's from a different generation..don't argue with that man, he's ur dad. I get that speech from everyone too, in one ear out the other.

I remeber a conversation I had with my Dad back in 83 or 84. He told me to go out and get a real job. I told him I had made over $150K that year and asked him where would I find such a job?

He did not have an answer for me.

It sounds like your Dad knows more about this industry than he is letting on. You want to do it, go for it. It is not easy but if you can do it the rewards are here.

He knows nothing about the porn industry. What he knows is if it is easy... it's wrong. Which makes sense.

I am listening to him. Don't get me wrong.

But the guy cheated on my mom - and then wants to teach me about integrity. So I have to come to GFY for second opinion. :)

He thinks it's immoral?

Please ask him if I can borrow some of his morals to pay my bills :)

Good point. He doesn't have room to talk to you about integrity.

If that doesn't work.. just make fun of him for being Canadian! lol

It makes me think that you should know a lot of teen traffic does pretty well promoting BarelyEvil.com

Seriously, that whole mega-corp employer thing is a lie. They tell you to get good grades so you can get into a good school, so you can get a good job and a good life. The coporation expects you to have total loyalty, but it will sack you without notice if it feels vaguely short some week, it will squander your 401k without concern, it will promote based on your color and gender and faked religious decency and family background and who you suck up to and whose work you can steal credit for because there is rarely enough time to climb the corporate ladder and get actual work done at the same time. Then, if you are lucky, you get forced retirement when you've got 30 years yet to live.

Integrity is within you. There is nothing about this business which is intrinsically lacking in integrity. You just have to do the right thing so you can look yourself in the mirror. Do not accept other people's judgements; make your own.

There was a time when people believed that you could work for a good company your whole life and it would take care of you. It was only sorta true then and it is utterly not true for our generation.

See, he lucked out. No education - just hard work and he wound up as a store manager of a food chain. 75k CDN a year. Which gets a family by to an extent. Mother drives a city bus to add 30k to it, which makes them upper middle class.

Since I have been 16 I have had dillusions of easy money, and computer = fast cash. So he worries. All I am doing is applying what I know, learning some more and making a couple bucks.

I just worry that he is right.

He's not right. A lot of people in the business have built businesses that generate his annual salary in a month.. The top companies do his salary in a day.

Sure money isn't everything.... but, it sure beats managing a store for the rest of your life.

Have some nuts, be an entrepreneur while you're still young and can afford to fall on your face a few times.

You can get a job at a grocery store anytime you want.

Im about to go through the same issues with my father. My mother and brother know but my father doesn't yet.

He once said he would disown me (and he ment it) if I was working in the porn industry.
I think it's more of an issue for him if someone asks him what I do for a living, or if he's friends found out what I do they would take t back to him.

Live your own life dude. Do what you want to do, just make sure you enjoy what you do and its making you some money.

heh... he argues that you're promoting a sponsor that's making all the money, and you're making crap?

what about his corporate job? does he have any idea how much the company makes on what he does?

it wouldn't be wise for a company to hire someone to do their bidding if the company wasn't making exponentially more than they were paying their employees.

You are my new hero! :thumbsup

Just thank him for his advice and then make your own decisions.

He had his chance to make his decisions, now it's your turn. Right or wrong they're your decisions to make.

Not that I am making less. But that he thinks because its the internet, and not a weekly paycheque, that companies can just say GFY - and not pay me a penny.

haha :thumbsup

Thank you all - very good points. Lots to think about. :D

Goodnight everyone. See you tomorrow.

My father and I have differing views on how to achieve success and wealth. Ever since I told him that I'm going to do things my way, he's backed down.

My dad is one of our top affiliates. Mom does not know. :glugglug

I don't want to be associated with this biz forever, but it goes along with the artist gig... lots of famous artists and writers have been associated with the "underworld" hehe... it'll just add to my mystique... besides what I have learned here is priceless. I have so many marketing strategies -- I'll be running circles around my c ompetition.

You sure as hell can't run for president... but I think most men can respect what we do in this age...

But let's say you're trying to live a more "respectable" life... anyone that can't forgive your past is not worth your time... but I'd warn you that this biz is like a vortex... especially when you are working on the PC all day -- your social interactions are affected...

I can't explain it entirely but you communicate with people on a different wavelength after being in this shit as long as I have... staring at the screen -- you have a different phenomenological relationship with people based on the techology... but this is the future... evolution -- whatever. Don't look back -- imagine the future.

I can't even imagine working in an office anymore... dealing with people face-to-face? LOL I have a hard enough time responding to ICQ's... :1orglaugh

I'm pushing ahead into new areas but I've got a long way to go in terms of biz connections on this new areas... I have no regrets -- but it's easy to forget there's a whole world out there to explore after you get stuck in a pattern.

When you move out of your parents house you can do whatever you want. In the meantime, do what they tell you or leave.

Sometimes the companies can and do say gfy and don't pay you. But megacorps in non-adult arenas do the same thing. Your only protection is really savings/equity and a good legal team. You can take a look at Enron for an example of a recent nice "respectable" employer that really did not do too well for a lot of people.

Tell your dad he's the one that raised you - if he thinks what your doing is wrong then he should have done a better job.

ask your dad if he wants to star in a porn video?

just like actors who want to be stars, there are 1000s in this business who dont make it either. Its only a small percentage that makes more money doing this than a regular job.

your dad is stupid in that he has once watched or even boughten porn, or gotten off on porn,

its not about the provider its about the customer they make the provider.

side note: tell the old fool to shut his yap.

:1orglaugh

Larry Flynt has run for President. :)

I think it is both.. People think 'what could be easier that sitting at home building porn sites? I could possibly make a fortune.'

Your Dad is right, main stream culture looks down on porn in a major way. If you ever want certain jobs, like public office, etc, this could come back to haunt you.

If you want to do the straight life sometime in the future, it's certainly possible that working in porn will come back to haunt you.

Porn is best for people who are already out of the sraight life, and who don't ever want to do the straight life again.

I do believe that it never hurts to have an education to fall back on. Why not get a certificate or a two year degree to lean on for times when the porn biz isn't bring in all the $$$ you want?

Funny... a relative of mine lent me some money to launch my site and I paid him back in a few months plus interest - he now sees this as a biz not pleasure.

Ok, he is right in that regard.. Many here have been ripped off, take for instance the recent Globill debacle.. Thousands were lost..