FYI the constitution does not speak about the separation of church and state
 

Some people mistakenly believe that the constitution speaks to the "separation of church and state" and it does not.

The phrase originates in Thomas Jefferson's 1802 letter to the Baptist Association of Danbury, Connecticut.

Jefferson's letter...

Taken from Andrew Lipscomb and Albert Bergh, The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Vol., 16, pp. 281-282.


This is all that the constitution has to say about any "separation of church and state".

As regards the 10 Commandment monument that was removed by court order...

There is no law that allows for the Court to order the removal of the monument...other than judicial precedent...which in and of itself does not constitute a law...merely the legislating of law from the bench...which in theory the Courts are not allowed to do...not even the Supreme Court...but they do it anyhow.

loser.

The First Amendment was never intended to bar Christians from the political process, nor prevent religious morals from influencing public policy. So where did the "Separation between church & state" come from? This phrase is not found anywhere in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. It originates, not from the Constitution or any other foundational document of our country, but from a letter Thomas Jefferson sent to the Danbury, Connecticut Baptists Association in 1802, 13 years after Congress passed the First Amendment. The Baptists in Danbury were being discriminated against and not allowed to participate in government because they were Baptists. Jefferson wanted to reassure the Baptists that there would be no official denomination for the country. Jefferson believed that God, not government, was the Author and Source of our rights and that the government therefore, was to be prevented from interference with those rights. The letter was very private and personal.



It was not until 1947 that our current understanding of separation between church & state came into being. It was in the Supreme Court case, Everson vs. Board of Education, in which the court interpreted the First Amendment to remove prayer in public schools. The Court however, only quoted eight of Jefferson's words from his letter (which talked about a wall of separation between church and state). These eight words were taken out of context and have been misused ever since.

Exactly...the court in essence legislated from the bench...which they are not supposed to do...setting judicial precedent...which is not a law in and of itself...and the judicial precedent has been used (misused) by many courts ever since.

From...my view point...it is the Court that has violated the constitution...as the 1st Amendment...only addresses Congress making a law.

DO you understand what the First Amendment is saying?

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

Focus on that for a minute. Oh...
And get some english literacy courses.

That is the point...Congress has not made a law...the court is legislating from the bench. And thanks for the suggestion but I do not need any literacy courses...been there and done that...during the college years.

Maybe you should take up a course in continuing to read until you hit a stop... fucking selective readers.

"or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

So it is OK in your books to put say a statue of Kali or Sheeba in front of a court house?
For example...
Why not just put a statue of Bin Laden there also ehh? Maybe have BIn Laden even holding the Ten Commandments! Outrage shouldnt be that bad after all the judge of that court house really thinks Bin Laden is the shit and no one would mind, and well the judge puts it there without authorization to...

Why not cover up the tits to statues in the Whitehouse? Oh the religeous fuck faces already done that.

Hey how about the judges have pictures of Jesus on the walls in the courtroom while putting Arabs, Jewish and Hindu's to trial?

Lets really fuck with the genuine gift of diversity that the United States was built for under the term "Justice For All", while those we judge in the process of law should know that Jesus has a bigger dick and the inferior religeons are really nothing in contrast to the true god of christianity.

Hey I might feel like I had a fair trial if I entered a court room with a Pentagram at the front but certainly not some court room with fucking stone's scribing the laws of a barbaric and brutal religeon that has commited genocide throughout the age of modern mankind! THose stones stand for hypocracy.

Everything that you just said has nothing to do with the issue. The issue is the 1st Amendment is clear...it addresses Congress and Congress has not made any law regarding religion...but the Courts are legislating from the bench and that is not supposed to be the role of the Court.

The laws of this country weren't built around any of the far-fetched comparisons you people against this keep trying make, and that is the fatal point in your flawed arguement.

The 2nd Amendment does not apply to individuals owning guns, only militias.

So turn over all your guns. :1orglaugh

The religious loonies talk a lot about freedom OF religion... well how about freedom FROM religion?

All governments should be secular and govern for ALL the people irrespective of religion. Getting the government and/or the judiciary infected with theism is the first step towards theocracy and totalitarianism.

Superstition and myth has NO place in government whatsoever.

Who cares? This is one of your more POINTLESS threads ever!:1orglaugh

Who FORCED anyone to read the monument?

The countries in the world that do not separate government from religion are some of the most fucked countries in the world.

Does anyone disagree?

Nobody forced you to read it, or respond.

Where are you from?

Take a real good read here...

Separation: Good for Government

I swear if American Values were up to you two tards...
Well...

I simply couldnt imagine.

Is there something wrong with the values put forth in the 10 commandments?

Absolutely.

Click the next link on that page...
they go on and on about "Violations of the Separation of Church and State", still looking for that one in the constitution.....
Credibility: zero.

Since militia's are made up of people...then "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Alien apparently has a problem reading sentences all the way to the end.

I personally think the Judge in Alabama should have been treated like a red-headed step-Arab once he defied the orders of a court of the United States. Fuck a piss-ant $


And really ... I think that pornographers who are up in arms defending the bible-thumpers behind all this are from a different planet.

Uranus comes to mind.

The 10 Commandments is silly. Why 10? 4 Of them council each other out and 2 of them are merely re-iterations of a later.

So...

The murder part is just common sense.

If ya not keeping up on recent events the Constitution is often Amended and definatly not for the better.

American Values are eroding and soon we will be killing each other.

That is not the issue...the issue is the Courts legislating law from the bench...as there is not any law in existence that was being violated by the monument...and the "separation of church and state" is not any part of the constitution.

Geez, I wonder why.

What is it about reality that you don't like?

One mans opinion...based upon personal thought...and does not have anything to do with the issue presented in this thread.

Another mans opinion and does not have anything to do with the issue presented in this thread.

Your post does not deal with the issue presented in this thread.

Smart men make me horny

Starting to see why some people thought I was actually theking the other day..

Often??? It is more than two hundred years old.

You raised no issue in this thread ... you did a cut 'n paste from some website that spouts off a bunch of high-fallutin' hogwash that means NOTHING. The legal theories that back up the thoughts you ripped off are proven to be bunk by 200+ years of the existence of the United States. You better put your tinfoil hat back on before the microwave transmitters of the revenuers rot your brain even further than it already has been.

Thread please?

Your right. There oughtah be a law about preventing this sorta outrage again.

Seems a law should be made to prevent religeous memorabilia from being presented in government facilities.

Oh...
Wait the government endorsed the creation of that monument...

Oh wait...
That Judge put it there using Government money without authorization.

So there goes your argument.

Now make another religous thread...

The Separation of Church and state has been established through precedence. Read more talk less.

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Wrong again.