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brassmonkey 04-19-2018 09:20 AM

Men arrested at Starbucks say they feared for their lives
 
lawsuit filed! :thumbsup:thumbsup
https://i.imgur.com/lt2qYPw.jpg

A few minutes later, they hardly noticed when the police walked into the coffee shop — until officers started walking in their direction. "That's when we knew she called the police on us," Nelson told The Associated Press in the men's first interview since video of their April 12 arrests went viral.

Nelson and Robinson, black men who became best friends in the fourth grade, were taken in handcuffs from the Starbucks in Philadelphia's tony Rittenhouse Square neighborhood, where Robinson has been a customer since he was 15.

The video, recorded on a white customer's cellphone, galvanized people around the country who saw the exchange as modern-day racism. In the week since, the men have met with Starbucks' CEO and have started pushing for lasting changes to ensure what happened to them doesn't happen to anyone else.

"We were there for a real reason, a real deal that we were working on," Robinson explained. "We put in a lot of time, energy, effort. ... We were at a moment that could have a positive impact on a whole ladder of people, lives, families. So I was like, 'No, you're not stopping that right now.'"

Robinson said he thought about his loved ones and how the afternoon had taken such a turn as he was taken to jail. Nelson wondered if he'd make it home alive. "Anytime I'm encountered by cops, I can honestly say it's a thought that runs through my mind," Nelson said. "You never know what's going to happen."

Democratic Mayor Jim Kenney, who is white, said what happened at the Starbucks "appears to exemplify what racial discrimination looks like in 2018." Police Commissioner Richard Ross, who's black, said in a Facebook video that arresting officers "did absolutely nothing wrong," and added that Nelson and Robinson were disrespectful to officers.

Ross said officers did what they were supposed to do and were professional in their dealings with the men, "and instead they got the opposite back." Nelson and Robinson originally were supposed to meet Andrew Yaffe, a white local businessman, at a Starbucks across town. But the plan changed, and they agreed to meet at the Rittenhouse Square location, where they'd met several times before on a potential real estate opportunity.

The black men arrived a few minutes early. Three police officers showed up not long after. Nelson said they weren't questioned but were told to leave immediately. Yaffe showed up as the men were being handcuffed. He can be seen in the video demanding an explanation for the officers' actions. Nelson and Robinson did not resist arrest.

"When you know that you did nothing wrong, how do you really react to it?" Nelson said. "You can either be ignorant or you can show some type of sophistication and act like you have class. That was the choice we had."

It was hardly their first encounter with police, a rite of passage that becomes a regular occurrence for many black men their age. But neither had been arrested before, setting them apart from many of their peers in the gritty southwest Philadelphia neighborhood where they grew up.

Robinson briefly wondered what he might've done to bring the moment on himself. "I feel like I fell short," he explained. "I'm trying to think of something I did wrong, to put not just me but my brother, my lifelong friend ... in this situation."

Attorney Stewart Cohen, representing Nelson and Robinson, said the men were illegally profiled. He pointed to Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibits discrimination on the basis of race in hotels, restaurants, theaters and other public accommodations.

Seattle-based Starbucks Corp. has said the location where the arrests occurred has a policy that restrooms are for paying customers only. Nelson and Robinson spent hours in a jail cell with no outside contact and no sense of what would happen next. They were released after midnight, when the district attorney declined to prosecute them for trespassing. They had no idea the video of their arrests would soon make the rounds on the internet.

The day after their arrests, they thought about what to do next. "You go from being someone who's just trying to be an entrepreneur, having your own dreams and aspirations, and then this happens," Nelson said. "How do you handle it? Do you stand up? Do you fight? Do you sit down and just watch everyone else fight for you? Do you let it slide, like we let everything else slide with injustice?"

Robinson, still focused on the previous day's business deal, called Yaffe to reschedule. Yaffe told him about the video and the traction it had gotten. Over the weekend, attention and outrage over the video grew, prompting a protest at the local Starbucks restaurant and a national boycott. By Monday, the men were set to meet with Starbucks CEO Kevin Johnson to discuss what happened.

Johnson has responded quickly to public outcry around the arrests, calling them "reprehensible," apologizing and ordering stores closed May 29 for mandatory training to tackle unconscious bias. Nelson and Robinson said they're looking for more lasting results and are in mediation proceedings with Starbucks to implement changes, including the posting in stores of a customer bill of rights; the adoption of new policies regarding customer ejections, racial profiling and racial discrimination; and independent investigations of complaints of profiling or discrimination from customers and employees.

Robinson said he appreciates the public support the men have received but anger and boycotting Starbucks are not the solution. "We need a different type of action ... not words," he said. "It's a time to pay attention and understand what's really going on. We do want a seat at the table."

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OneHungLo 04-19-2018 09:28 AM

And there it is. They just hit the ghetto lottery. Total bullshit.


brassmonkey 04-19-2018 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 22256468)
And there it is. They just hit the ghetto lottery. Total bullshit.

yeah ghetto :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh working for a living = ghetto

DBS.US 04-19-2018 09:33 AM

The black men arrived a few minutes early. Three police officers showed up not long after.:1orglaugh

AP's Race and Ethnicity Writer Errin Haines Whack
[email protected]
Errin Haines Whack

OneHungLo 04-19-2018 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 22256470)
yeah ghetto :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh working for a living = ghetto

Actually your right, I read that the 2 guys had zero record. But still, the whole thing is a farce.

directfiesta 04-19-2018 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 22256476)
Actually your right, I read that the 2 guys had zero record. But still, the whole thing is a farce.

You are a farce ..... :2 cents:

Bladewire 04-19-2018 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 22256476)
Actually your right, I read that the 2 guys had zero record. But still, the whole thing is a farce.

You'd have more credibility if you acknowledged things for what they are. But you don't so you won't.

Rochard 04-19-2018 10:03 AM

I could never imagine being afraid of the police.

These two people that arrested - and everyone else - fail to understand why people get shot. If you turn and run from police, you risk getting shot. If you do what you are told, you don't get shot.

OneHungLo 04-19-2018 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22256486)
You'd have more credibility if you acknowledged things for what they are. But you don't so you won't.

I do. I think they should have just ordered something. They brought themselves to the attention of the manager by asking to use the restroom. If they were sitting there and the manager walked by 4 tables of white people and approached them and asked them to buy something or leave, I'd say they had a case. All they had to do was buy something and sit down. Instead they were defiant and ignored the manager and they also were defiant to the police.


The whole thing is a farce.

Bladewire 04-19-2018 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22256494)
I could never imagine being afraid of the police.

... If you turn and run from police, you risk getting shot. If you do what you are told, you don't get shot.

Not true if you're black. How many more videos do you need to see? The guy seatbelted in his car doing as the officer said and shot. Cop tells another guy to reach into his glove compartment to get his registration, he does, and he's shot. The list goes on... and on... and on...

rogueteens 04-19-2018 10:42 AM

scared for their lives? Why? where they being chased by a hairdresser?

rogueteens 04-19-2018 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22256505)
Not true if you're black. How many more videos do you need to see? The guy seatbelted in his car doing as the officer said and shot. Cop tells another guy to reach into his glove compartment to get his registration, he does, and he's shot. The list goes on... and on... and on...

yeah, its never happened to a white guy has it?

RedFred 04-19-2018 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22256494)
I could never imagine being afraid of the police.

These two people that arrested - and everyone else - fail to understand why people get shot. If you turn and run from police, you risk getting shot. If you do what you are told, you don't get shot.

Cops are fucking pricks. Not to mention not obeying a cop should not result in a fucking bullet. Just look at this asshole.



OneHungLo 04-19-2018 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 22256541)
Cops are fucking pricks. Not to mention not obeying a cop should not result in a fucking bullet. Just look at this asshole.



Definitely a piece of shit cop. He knew his ass was toast near the end when he was basically asking the guy if he was going to complain. I’m all for them wearing cameras because it weeds out the few bad cops we have.

blackmonsters 04-19-2018 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 22256548)
Definitely a piece of shit cop. He knew his ass was toast near the end when he was basically asking the guy if he was going to complain. I’m all for them wearing cameras because it weeds out the few bad cops we have.

That cop did his job; the dude was disrespectful and assaulted the police officer.
He should have never resisted the cop.
He kept approaching the officer in a threatening way.
That dude could have had a weapon so I praise the officer for not shooting the belligerent
diver who think's he's above the law just because he works there.
That cop should get a medal and that driver should be put down like a rabid dog.
Those people always have attitude with the cops so they deserve what they get.


:uhoh

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

brassmonkey 04-19-2018 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22256494)
I could never imagine being afraid of the police.

These two people that arrested - and everyone else - fail to understand why people get shot. If you turn and run from police, you risk getting shot. If you do what you are told, you don't get shot.

understand?? they were arrested for nothing! you don't get arrested on a trespass that has been first issued! all this is going to come out in court. i hope the cops lose their jobs without pay...

tony286 04-19-2018 12:24 PM

if you watch the long video, you can see the cops just talking to them not being agressive and if they were so afraid they just would of left. Then when you watch them leave cuffed with the cops one of them had a smile on his face. Fear my ass they are looking for a payday.

I blame Starbucks, this over the top reaction, was like saying we are guilty. Ive been in starbucks with unwashed home less people just sleeping on chairs so its bullshit.

blackmonsters 04-19-2018 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 22256563)
Ive been in starbucks with unwashed home less people just sleeping on chairs so its bullshit.

Did they get arrested?

Asking for a friend.

:2 cents:

GAMEFINEST 04-19-2018 12:47 PM

We live in a different society now

pornguy 04-19-2018 12:57 PM

The smile on the one guys face as they walk out of starbucks tells a nice story.

Oh Wait. everyone smiles when scared for their lives.

brassmonkey 04-19-2018 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 22256578)
The smile on the one guys face as they walk out of starbucks tells a nice story.

Oh Wait. everyone smiles when scared for their lives.

actually people do smile when afraid. don't act fucking clueless to the facts. you trying to judge this on a damn smile bullshit.

Bladewire 04-19-2018 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 22256578)
The smile on the one guys face as they walk out of starbucks tells a nice story.

Oh Wait. everyone smiles when scared for their lives.

He smiled when he saw it was being caught on camera. You really are daft :2 cents:

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tony286 04-19-2018 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 22256564)
Did they get arrested?

Asking for a friend.

:2 cents:

Got a question for you? You own a store you ask someone to leave and they dont what do you do?
The girl asked them to buy something or leave they said no. The police asked them to leave and they didnt. So what do you do at that point?

tony286 04-19-2018 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22256582)
He smiled when he saw it was being caught on camera. You really are daft :2 cents:

I think it was a smile for time to get paid.

OneHungLo 04-19-2018 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 22256596)
Got a question for you? You own a store you ask someone to leave and they dont what do you do?
The girl asked them to buy something or leave they said no. The police asked them to leave and they didnt. So what do you do at that point?

Watch your step, Tony...you're about to have your lib card pulled and labeled a racist by your fellow libs here.

blackmonsters 04-19-2018 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 22256596)
Got a question for you? You own a store you ask someone to leave and they dont what do you do?
The girl asked them to buy something or leave they said no. The police asked them to leave and they didnt. So what do you do at that point?

Answer my question.

:helpme

tony286 04-19-2018 01:44 PM

https://apple.news/AYlFb6RSpTIiXQFxA6xn6GA

SIK 04-19-2018 01:45 PM

So....
Philadelphia is 40% black people.
Event happened in a busy starbucks.
Manager is probably a person that works there for some years, correct?
Before she called 911, she probably served..
100 or more black people during the same day, before these two even walked in?

And then... we have two options on what happens:

A) they were disrespectful enough to make her call 911 (insisting on using restroom / refusing to order)

B) Serving 100 black people took it's toll on that devil racist. She decided to send the next 2 dindus she sees to jail, so she picked these two peaceful gentlemen out of fucking nowhere. KKK


Yeah.. even Sherlock Holmes would be puzzled on this one.

tony286 04-19-2018 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 22256609)
Answer my question.

:helpme

No but the homeless werent asked to leave. You are asked to leave a place of business you leave. Its not your right to sit in a place of business and not spend money. The girl asked and then the cops asked multiple times, then they were arrested. They were making a statement.

tony286 04-19-2018 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIK (Post 22256615)
So....
Philadelphia is 40% black people.
Event happened in a busy starbucks.
Manager is probably a person that works there for some years, correct?
Before she called 911, she probably served..
100 or more black people during the same day, before these two even walked in?

And then... we have two options on what happens:

A) they were disrespectful enough to make her call 911 (insisting on using restroom / refusing to order)

B) Serving 100 black people took it's toll on that devil racist. She decided to send the next 2 dindus she sees to jail, so she picked these two peaceful gentlemen out of fucking nowhere. KKK


Yeah.. even Sherlock Holmes would be puzzled on this one.

https://apple.news/AYlFb6RSpTIiXQFxA6xn6GA

tony286 04-19-2018 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 22256605)
Watch your step, Tony...you're about to have your lib card pulled and labeled a racist by your fellow libs here.

lol , Im not an ideologue , alot things liberals do annoy the shit out of me. I'm more of a Rockefeller republican as I get older.

This whole starbucks thing is bullshit and starbucks are cowards. I have no doubt they threw her under the bus. Its a busy store in the middle of the city, you arent running a bus station.

blackmonsters 04-19-2018 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 22256617)
No but the homeless werent asked to leave. You are asked to leave a place of business you leave. Its not your right to sit in a place of business and not spend money. The girl asked and then the cops asked multiple times, they were just arrested. They were making a statement.

Why are the homeless people allowed to stay and not asked to leave?

:1orglaugh

SIK 04-19-2018 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 22256618)

Haha, yeah, just watched the video in there a moment ago.
History repeats itself, black people really love discussing shit with the police.

I can tell you right away that Croatian police would have handled that much quicker and with much less words, white or black regardless :1orglaugh

On a side note.. did anyone, ever, anywhere, said NO to the Police and got away with it?
Like, "don't touch me", and they don't touch you? Why can't a certain ethnic group realize that? :1orglaugh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH70DZKMHuQ

Fucking hilarious really.

brassmonkey 04-19-2018 02:01 PM

forget the race part... why did she ask them to leave?? if they were standing out in the front that seems ghetto. the cops had no reason to confront them. jeezus :disgust they were waiting for someone they want to do business with.
Quote:

Originally Posted by SIK (Post 22256615)
So....
Philadelphia is 40% black people.
Event happened in a busy starbucks.
Manager is probably a person that works there for some years, correct?
Before she called 911, she probably served..
100 or more black people during the same day, before these two even walked in?

And then... we have two options on what happens:

A) they were disrespectful enough to make her call 911 (insisting on using restroom / refusing to order)

B) Serving 100 black people took it's toll on that devil racist. She decided to send the next 2 dindus she sees to jail, so she picked these two peaceful gentlemen out of fucking nowhere. KKK


Yeah.. even Sherlock Holmes would be puzzled on this one.


SIK 04-19-2018 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 22256628)
forget the race part... why did she ask them to leave?? if they were standing out in the front that seems ghetto. the cops had no reason to confront them. jeezus :disgust they were waiting for someone they want to do business with.

From what I see on the LONGER video, two gentlemen were occupying TWO TABLES in the coffee shop.

Any coffee shop owner in the world will tell you that it's bad business to have people just sitting around without ordering anything (you see, if you don't react upon such things, you'll soon have a waiting room and not a coffee shop, coz people will see it's ok to chill there).

Seriously now, who the fuck says NO three times to a waitress and keeps sitting?
Don't know about you, but I'd order a fucking coffee out of sheer embarrassment if I was asked three times.

Why didn't they wait on a park bench if they don't want a coffee? There is zero logic in all of this and guess what, ZERO racism as well.

tony286 04-19-2018 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 22256623)
Why are the homeless people allowed to stay and not asked to leave?

:1orglaugh

Well it was later at night and I figure the employees there didn't give a shit.

OneHungLo 04-19-2018 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 22256622)
lol , Im not an ideologue , alot things liberals do annoy the shit out of me. I'm more of a Rockefeller republican as I get older.

This whole starbucks thing is bullshit and starbucks are cowards. I have no doubt they threw her under the bus. Its a busy store in the middle of the city, you arent running a bus station.

https://i.imgur.com/L0KgjOU.jpg

^^Tony this is how I imagine you after this Starbucks debacle :1orglaugh

tony286 04-19-2018 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIK (Post 22256630)
From what I see on the LONGER video, two gentlemen were occupying TWO TABLES in the coffee shop.

Any coffee shop owner in the world will tell you that it's bad business to have people just sitting around without ordering anything (you see, if you don't react upon such things, you'll soon have a waiting room and not a coffee shop, coz people will see it's ok to chill there).

Seriously now, who the fuck says NO three times to a waitress and keeps sitting?
Don't know about you, but I'd order a fucking coffee out of sheer embarrassment if I was asked three times.

Why didn't they wait on a park bench if they don't want a coffee? There is zero logic in all of this and guess what, ZERO racism as well.

Thank you and I can only imagine the amount of bullshit a starbucks in the middle of a city has to deal with.

blackmonsters 04-19-2018 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 22256634)
Well it was later at night and I figure the employees there didn't give a shit.

But aren't loitering people more dangerous at night and security should remove them?

:winkwink:


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