BOYCOTT Content Providers not following 2257
 

http://ampcontent.com/ContentProviders.htm

We need to boycott any company who isnt complying. Sites like Matrix Content and Focus Adult are putting all their records online. A lot of other companies send pictures of ID's with your photo/video sets.

But theres still many companies who don't do shit. We need to get all companies doing more to protect themselves and more importantly US.

That's not what the 2257 compliance is about, per se.

I just love watching you content providers squashing each others as soon as you can find the slightest reason

I wouldn't call it a boycott. Just informed business. Don't buy something that means you are breaking the law. It's simple.

well you know what i mean... if johnny law comes knocking at your door and you refer them to your content provider and that provider isn't keeping the right records your jacked....

every content provider should archive all their records in an online database where any of it can be seen at any time.

The only problem is too many good providers arent doing what they should be, so if you just dont buy from them theres not much left..... i hope most companies are going to change.

who's johnny law? I don't open my door to strangers

if johnny law wants to bust you mr warrant will knock through your stucco.

I think he is Johnny Canuck's american cousin - probably Jim Holio would know for sure though.

Still, probably better not to open the door. :thumbsup

What is 2257?
A strange cult? A secret ICQ for special deals?

I don't care about USA laws because I live in Spain. And I'm pretty more fascist that the spanish laws want me to be, so if you have passed around any of my systems in the past 5 years, then you will appear at least on 3 log files and 2 databases.

Fascist logging in cool and zero user privacy too. Of course this must be aplied to my users and not to me :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Quite sad isnt it

indeed....

I concur.

look mom Quickly, it's the 2257 police!

SHould make the table cells of the people who aren't compliant RED.

And 2257 compliance isn't a joke - it's one of the weakest links in this industry.

If/When the DOJ's comes stomping around you can bet thats the first method they are going to use to write you up & shut you down.

And damn I wanted to buy some stuff from Adult Czech :(

Talk about sheep. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

How about a wakeup call instead?

First, I wouldn't buy content from anyone that isn't in line with 2257 laws. Usually I demand that 2257 be included when they ship me content.

I just purchased content from someone, and they sent me an entire BOX of model releases and IDs.

Second..... How are these companies not in line? What have they done to violate 2257 laws?

And has anyone ever been told to produce these documents by law enforcement or the court system?

And what about countries outside the US?

In these cases it was more a matter of accurate custodial information etc.

Roc,

I'm guessing since its on AaronM's site.. he went through the pages to see if they were "compliant" simply be seeing they had a "compliant" 2257 complaince statement. Ie.... none of the "Records on file - email us for more info" Thats not compliant.
They HAVE to list a physical address and list the custodian of records.

So I'm guessing AarronM probably just did a quick glance over of peoples sites to see if they were in compliance with USC 2257.

If you ARE in complaince, then it should be very easy to find the properly formatted compliance statement.


This one is tricky.. because you're right, just because someone has a 2257 complaince statement that is in order - doesn't mean their paperwork actually is (though you would assume it is). You mentioned you only buy with model releases & copies of id's --
which is a big :thumbsup. Most of the big content companies do business like this (censored or blocked out id's & releases). At least this way you can be like 99% sure that they actually have the paperwork on file. Because I think someone said it before in another thread -- if they DONT have it on file, then it our ass (the site operators).


I know you know this already... but USC = United States Code. It applies to people USING/publishing the content in the united states.

I don't think it would matter if the models or photographer was from mars -- if they want to be compliant on a website based in the USA, they better be 18 year old martians with proper documentation available - at least if the martians wanted to sell to _US based_ webmasters.

I don't think the United States Code applies to countries outside the united states... ie maybe Russian content producers dealing with Canadian webmasters wouldn't have to comply with shit.. I dunno. But in the states.. I'm thinking now is a good time to make sure all of your 2257 stuff is in order.

'beat on the brat.'

:glugglug

What can you lose?

I can't figure out if an adult site owner is naive enough to buy content from a producer that can't provide the proper documents. Who is dumb and dumber?

I have a question on compliancy, If I shoot pics of a model in , say Nepal , does the document the model sign have to be in Nepalese, or does it have to be in English for it to be compliant.
If the model doesn't understand what she/he is signing, does it make it a legitimate document.
Also,do the gov't lawyers ask the nationality of the models in their inquiries and if so do they have Nepalese interpreters working for them to proof read the docs.
This is all theoretical of course, not that it ever happens., but just to be on the safe side.

It's no secret that Bush and the US gov't are plotting to take down internet porn.

Everyone knows it and is somewhat concerned about it.

So why take any chances? I mean.... ANY chances??

If you're not sure about a logo on your site, a possible copyright thing here or there, a possible word or line that might get you in trouble... if you're not sure about 2257 compliance regulations..... WHY in the world take that chance??

Do you really want to give anyone the ammunition they need to take you out of business? Or worse... put you in jail??

Maybe I just don't get it... but why take something lightly if it could have some rather big reprocussions?

Who cares who brought it up? Who cares how or why they brought it up?

If you're breaking the law, or even "not sure" if you are... then fix the damn thing. Why in the world would you want to give anyone the chance to shut you down?

another thing i'm noticing after browsing through a lot of content sites i deal with is in regards to 2257 records they write things like "all records on file to the proper authorities ONLY"

why "ONLY"???

shouldnt we have copies too?

any content company in russia or the europe is starting to scare me.

Well, if you read 2257 it states who can ask for documents.

What about the content providers who sell Gay content ? Many states and localities have laws against sodomy. Lets not be hypocrits and suggest that illegal content is ok if you have a 2257 link on your site.

Well as a provider, I dont send copies of IDs and releases out because then the purchaser might try and resell it as their own. As long as lease agreement states that content provider is custodian of records.. thats getting the purchaser off the hook. You dont see the adult video stores with IDS and releases of each movie on thier shelf... the movies simply have where custodian of records is.

very good point

Not that the altered digital copies would hold up in court in any country, but valid point.

Did you even read the other thread?

I love ya bro but you really post some of the most ignorant shit around here.

You are MUC nicer than I am.

If these boards mattered to me then I would hire you for PR. :thumbsup

Why? You do not need them.

Who suggested that? I do not recall that topic being brought up.

This thread is 'gay'

But come on.. lets be as vigilant and passionate about ridding the industry of it's GAY content too. Lets make a list of everyone providing illegal content of this nature. What makes the witch hunt so focused on an address on a website, as opposed to laws that carry more severe penalties depending on location ?

What about a very very large, very well known content provider, who does not list the custodian of records as an individual but as a corporation, in direct violation of the law?

haha I love it when people that don't know jack chit try and give their opioion. It makes me laugh so fucking hard haha Everyone should be thanking aaronM and jact and a few others. I thought and thinking by me is dangerous but I thought I was complient when after they brought it up i found infact I wasnt. The shit that is going on now scares the piss out of me.. Why just look around ya, they are busting people left and right first they are going after the ones that send shit through the us postal mail, then going after some content providers its getting really scary. If I had not started two years ago and put everything I had in this I would be out of here like a bolt of lighten!

But i am not leaving fuck that, I have too much at stake, and I do trust in the 1st and 5th admendment laws ( i know before you jump my ass MY SPELLING AND GRAMMER SUCKS) as for what brujah stated on the gay content he is 100% RIGHT Hell in virginia you are not even allowed to get oral sex by a women, let alone be gay! Virginia has some fucked up laws but as my lawyer stated they are old laws that need to be changed, am I the one going to change these laws SCREW THAT hehe so I have stared out all the hardcore on my tours and put my 2257 uptodate its still only 99% finished but that will be fixed in the next hour, just got another server and had to move most my paysite to this new server getting ready to setup ccbill and epoch and then once everything is done today i wont be at 99% I will be at 100%

sooooooo without sounding to much like an ass kisser I would personaly like to say thanks to aaronM jact and the others that have pointed shit out. :thumbsup

Peace good day
TOM

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