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wehateporn 04-05-2014 02:26 PM

If Walmart Paid Its Employees a Living Wage, How Much Would Prices Go Up?
 

LightscapeMedia 04-05-2014 02:28 PM

I don't understand this push to legislate pay rates. Think you're worth more than Wal Mart wage, prove it.

seeandsee 04-05-2014 02:31 PM

Or something that cost 500$ is now 505$.
But still funny rise, why they dont do it for their employes?

SilentKnight 04-05-2014 02:36 PM

Don't get me wrong - I'm no fan of Wal-Mart.

But why do they always target (no pun intended) Wal-Mart as an example?

They make it sound as if Wal-Mart is the only employer that doesn't pay its employees a 'living wage'.

L-Pink 04-05-2014 03:02 PM

Supply and demand. Why do they need to pay more when there is a waiting list for their shit-low-paying jobs?

"Despite pushback from the city council, Walmart will open its first two stores in D.C. next month. But getting a job there will prove difficult since the chain received 38 applications for each job opening"

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...o-harvard.html


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Barry-xlovecam 04-05-2014 04:25 PM

I shop sometimes at a regional competitor of Walmart, they range in between Walmart and Target I guess quality wise, with their groceries of lesser or equal quality to those at Kroger.

What this regional chain has done is to install 12 self serve check out lanes having 4 former cashiers supervising -- they laid off the other 8 people I guess and now get the customer to do the for work free.

That is where all this is heading.

I miss the ''special needs'' people these stores used to hire that bagged your groceries. It gave purpose to their lives now they just do nothing and collect aid. Forgetting the money, they seemed cheerful people just to have purpose in their lives.

Well, I rarely shop at Walmart nor do I eat macaroni and cheese. I did once and I know many people do, more often than they should, and for many reasons. The math in the video is ''fudged math'' so I consider it just liberal talking points.

The business model of someone like a Walmart is part of the problem and not part of the solution.

BaldBastard 04-05-2014 04:28 PM

Min wage here in Australia is about $20 USD a hour does not seem to of affected us much, dodged the recession, housing prices going up, unemployment 4-7%

12clicks 04-05-2014 04:37 PM

I love how the rabble have latched onto the political invention of a "living wage"
Yes rabble, it's walmart's fault you're not successful

DVTimes 04-05-2014 04:45 PM

The min wage in the UK has meant that supermarkets simply have less staff and now use selfe service.

It has meant some firms (such as call centers) to ask you to go in early to set up, and to stay if you get a call.

Some firms will pay you x hours but expect you to work more.

To cover costs supermarkets put up costs on food. The poor (such as elderly) end up paying out more.

The extra wage has got many landlords to put up rent so peopole fiond they are no better off.

Young who would have got a low pay job (but as they live at home its more than somone who has rent to pay) now cannot get on the first leg of ladder of work.

Meanwhile countries such as china cut prices and take jobs away.

however it makes the middle class happy as they think its great.

Quine 04-05-2014 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20039516)

I miss the ''special needs'' people these stores used to hire that bagged your groceries. It gave purpose to their lives now they just do nothing and collect aid. Forgetting the money, they seemed cheerful people just to have purpose in their lives.

They should send them to universities to teach students about Jacques Derrida, Zizek, Marx etc. They would make more sense than regular professors.

Why does government give food stamps and not $ directly?

klinton 04-05-2014 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 20039522)
I love how the rabble have latched onto the political invention of a "living wage"
Yes rabble, it's walmart's fault you're not successful

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

brassmonkey 04-05-2014 05:20 PM

profits would shrink :helpme they would dump your ass if they are not making the right level.

kane 04-05-2014 05:30 PM

One of the main reasons is that many of these lower paying jobs don't come with health insurance. The same people that qualify for food stamps also likely qualify for medicaid or some other state health insurance, especially if they have a kid. Others will also quality for housing assistance and daycare assistance.

If Wal-Mart paid them enough to get above this poverty level these people would no longer qualify for these things and they would seek them elsewhere. The first place they would look would be their current employer Wal-Mart. Never mind the daycare or the housing assistance, If there was suddenly massive pressure on Wal-Mart to give these people health insurance it would raise their costs even more. They are big enough that they likely could do it and still make plenty of profit while only raising prices a tiny bit, but they have no interest in rocking the boat.

mineistaken 04-05-2014 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by LightscapeMedia (Post 20039446)
I don't understand this push to legislate pay rates. Think you're worth more than Wal Mart wage, prove it.

Bottom people feel entitled, you must GIVE them higher salaries... That is why they never rise above them in the first place.

mineistaken 04-05-2014 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Quine (Post 20039526)
Why does government give food stamps and not $ directly?

So that people would actually buy food? :winkwink:

L-Pink 04-05-2014 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 20039522)
I love how the rabble have latched onto the political invention of a "living wage"
Yes rabble, it's walmart's fault you're not successful

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

mineistaken 04-05-2014 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20039516)
Well, I rarely shop at Walmart nor do I eat macaroni and cheese. I did once and I know many people do, more often than they should, and for many reasons.

I always wanted to try this stuff, sounds like a legendary item in US.

directfiesta 04-05-2014 06:04 PM

why would Wal-Mart pay more ???

employees can go and get food stamps to survive :2 cents:

NOTE: when I went there in Feb ( Florida ) to buy a 70.. tv, the clerk couldn.t care less about taking the order !!!! I ened up ordering it on line .

kane 04-05-2014 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 20039570)
why would Wal-Mart pay more ???

employees can go and get food stamps to survive :2 cents:

NOTE: when I went there in Feb ( Florida ) to buy a 70.. tv, the clerk couldn.t care less about taking the order !!!! I ened up ordering it on line .

The McDonald's employee handbook actually has information in it about how to apply for food stamps and other government assistance.

I think Wal-Mart also knows that people come there for the cheap prices, not the customer service.

If they raised wages the might attract better overall employees, but those people may well be smart, more driven, and/or focused and would possibly want more opportunity and more from the company. Like I said before, they don't want to rock the boat. They have a good thing going and are raking in the profits.

SilentKnight 04-05-2014 06:21 PM

Google "Wal-Mart and dead peasant insurance".

TrashyGirl 04-05-2014 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 20039546)
One of the main reasons is that many of these lower paying jobs don't come with health insurance. The same people that qualify for food stamps also likely qualify for medicaid or some other state health insurance, especially if they have a kid. Others will also quality for housing assistance and daycare assistance.

If Wal-Mart paid them enough to get above this poverty level these people would no longer qualify for these things and they would seek them elsewhere. The first place they would look would be their current employer Wal-Mart. Never mind the daycare or the housing assistance, If there was suddenly massive pressure on Wal-Mart to give these people health insurance it would raise their costs even more. They are big enough that they likely could do it and still make plenty of profit while only raising prices a tiny bit, but they have no interest in rocking the boat.

Ultimately, American taxpayers are footing the bill for a lower minimum wage. The government is a vortex sucking up tax monies needed to subsidize the social services that these workers qualify for, whether it's Walmart or McD's or wherever. However, even if min wage was raised and these min wage employees also received company health ins and did not qualify for other assistance, I don't think taxes would be lowered as an offset.

kane 04-05-2014 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TrashyGirl (Post 20039578)
Ultimately, American taxpayers are footing the bill for a lower minimum wage. The government is a vortex sucking up tax monies needed to subsidize the social services that these workers qualify for, whether it's Walmart or McD's or wherever. However, even if min wage was raised and these min wage employees also received company health ins and did not qualify for other assistance, I don't think taxes would be lowered as an offset.

I agree. The government would find a way to spend that money one way or another.

mineistaken 04-05-2014 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 20039570)
NOTE: when I went there in Feb ( Florida ) to buy a 70.. tv, the clerk couldn.t care less about taking the order !!!! I ened up ordering it on line .

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 20039574)
If they raised wages the might attract better overall employees, but those people may well be smart, more driven, and/or focused and would possibly want more opportunity and more from the company.

Some random thought - with higher salaries and more motivated people they would sell more as there would be less instances with "uninterested" clerks like this one.
So in all the calculations about the price increase they could include increased number of sales as well (which would mean smaller price increase than stated).

Not that I am for wage increase, just saying that issue advocated could use this bullet point as well :)

bronco67 04-05-2014 07:12 PM

It's probably a little more complex than what's in that video, with more variables they're not taking in to account -- but it mostly makes sense. You all can cry about how the government shouldn't intervene in pay rates, but your tax dollars are paying for these people who work for billionaires too cheap to make adjustments that could get people out of the hand-out line.

Corporations like McDonald's and Walmart are happy to let YOU pay to support their workers because to them they're just subhuman drones to fund their new yacht purchase.

mineistaken 04-05-2014 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 20039593)
I agree. The government would find a way to spend that money one way or another.

And that would be natural because country is in debt.

bronco67 04-05-2014 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 20039574)
The McDonald's employee handbook actually has information in it about how to apply for food stamps and other government assistance.

I think Wal-Mart also knows that people come there for the cheap prices, not the customer service.

If they raised wages the might attract better overall employees, but those people may well be smart, more driven, and/or focused and would possibly want more opportunity and more from the company. Like I said before, they don't want to rock the boat. They have a good thing going and are raking in the profits.

That's the thing I don't understand. It seems like they really lack long-term vision. Treating your employees like family that you actually care about will create employees who will happily go the extra mile for you, and that will keep you in business for long time. It doesn't help your image to have all of this bad press of how you're basically a modern day slaver.

woj 04-05-2014 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 20039599)
That's the thing I don't understand. It seems like they really lack long-term vision. Treating your employees like family that you actually care about will create employees who will happily go the extra mile for you, and that will keep you in business for long time. It doesn't help your image to have all of this bad press of how you're basically a modern day slaver.

obviously management of one of the biggest companies in the world doesn't know what they are doing... they are all obviously clueless idiots, and just became so successful by dumb luck... :error

L-Pink 04-05-2014 07:29 PM

Thanks to obabacare pretty soon min wage workers won't even get 30 hours a week on their paychecks.

bronco67 04-05-2014 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 20039603)
obviously management of one of the biggest companies in the world doesn't know what they are doing... they are all obviously clueless idiots, and just became so successful by dumb luck... :error

They're the beneficiaries of people on the bottom rung living in desperate times. I didn't say they weren't smart...they're just bastards. You know the difference between being a good person and a bastard, right?

kane 04-05-2014 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 20039599)
That's the thing I don't understand. It seems like they really lack long-term vision. Treating your employees like family that you actually care about will create employees who will happily go the extra mile for you, and that will keep you in business for long time. It doesn't help your image to have all of this bad press of how you're basically a modern day slaver.

I guess it all depends on the company, the number of employees and what the company does. Even if Wal-Mart paid a wage that took people above the poverty line they would likely still have a pretty high level of turnover. Many people use places like this and jobs like these as stepping stones.

They could raise the wage and pay like Costco does and they would likely keep people around and it could increase sales, but the question I would wonder is: would the increase in sales be enough to justify the higher wages and benefits?

I think Wal-Mart is going to have big sales numbers no matter what. People want a bargain and that is what they offer.

mineistaken 04-05-2014 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 20039603)
obviously management of one of the biggest companies in the world doesn't know what they are doing... they are all obviously clueless idiots, and just became so successful by dumb luck... :error

I think your sarcasm is good here.
Just take a look at all/most major supermarkets/retailers. Most of them are paying low wages so it seems that it is the better business model than "treating employees like family". :2 cents:

L-Pink 04-05-2014 07:38 PM

For the most part American consumers have turned into cheap fucks. You can't sell to cheap fucks with well paid employees.

kane 04-05-2014 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20039597)
And that would be natural because country is in debt.

Even if the country weren't in debt I would bet the politicians would find a way to spend that money as opposed to actually cutting taxes.

arock10 04-05-2014 07:56 PM

Tax payers foot the bill for the low min wage

DBS.US 04-06-2014 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 20039576)
Google "Wal-Mart and dead peasant insurance".

Not a bad idea. :winkwink:

StinkyPink 04-06-2014 11:36 AM

I was always taught that prices were based on supply and demand, not the bottom-line of the corporation. Now, if they increased min wage with the cost of living, we would have more money... we would buy more things we otherwise would not due to budgeting... many things would likely be cheaper.

Unless of course the prices were based on the corporations bottom-line.

StinkyPink 04-06-2014 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20039619)
For the most part American consumers have turned into cheap fucks. You can't sell to cheap fucks with well paid employees.

But if the majority of America were "well paid employees" maybe they wouldn't be "cheap fucks"... :2 cents:

brassmonkey 04-06-2014 11:50 AM

this is a stepping stone job :2 cents: students retirees part time. if you want a job like this for life warehouse is the way. lots of jobs there

SilentKnight 04-06-2014 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20039619)
For the most part American consumers have turned into cheap fucks. You can't sell to cheap fucks with well paid employees.

These days 'cheap fucks' is a euphemism for survival mode.

Cost of living is rising faster than our pay increases. Hell, we just got hit with a 40% increase with our Enbridge natural gas...translates to $400 more per year. Along with that our hydro is going up. Our city just approved a 9.4% increase in water & sewer rates. Gas companies are bending us over at the pumps on a daily basis.

Beef prices are soaring this summer due to last year's drought and cattle farmers cleared out much of their cattle inventory.

I can't blame consumers for being 'cheap fucks' these days. Necessity does what it has to.

beerptrol 04-06-2014 12:04 PM

either way you are paying. Low pay means workers go on food stamps, and/or Medicaid. But as long as it's the tax payer footing the bill..it's all good!


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