Green Energy stimulus loans wasted
 

Remember Obama giving green energy loans from the stimulus to Tesla?

Tesla Motors' Dirty Little Secret Is a Major Problem

http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...or-proble.aspx

Energy independence, a reduction in greenhouse gas emissions, lower fuel costs: All of these promises are factors behind the rise in electric vehicles' popularity. Unfortunately, they're more fiction than fact. Here's why, and how it could affect companies like Tesla Motors .

Do you want cancer with that battery?
Recently, the Environmental Protection Agency and the U.S. Department of Energy undertook a study to look at the environmental impact of lithium-ion batteries for EVs. The study showed that batteries that use cathodes with nickel and cobalt, as well as solvent-based electrode processing, have the highest potential for environmental impacts, including resource depletion, global warming, ecological toxicity, and human health. The largest contributing processes include those associated with the production, processing, and use of cobalt and nickel metal compounds, which may cause adverse respiratory, pulmonary, and neurological effects in those exposed.


In other words, li-ion batteries that contain nickel and cobalt have a significant effect on health and the environment. More specifically, this includes Panasonic's automotive grade li-ion batteries, which contain lithium, nickel, cobalt , and aluminum, and a proprietary cathode geometry developed jointly by Panasonic and Tesla -- and are currently used in the Model S.

So much for green energy!

The Tesla loan had nothing to do with the stimulus package.

Yeah it did
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-clean-energy/

i hope you dont have a laptop or a mobile phone...

It's always struck me as odd how peeps like ********** espouse things like the tesla while eschewing other things like fracking, clearly not have any idea about either.

Not with a battery that big, do you?

The thing about lithium being bad is not a new one, I never understood what the big thing was over a car getting over 35 mpg. I sold a pick up last year made in 1982 that got over 45 and ran on diesel.

in Afghanistan they found a huge deposit of Lithium, if those new leaders that Obama left in charge start mining that, the middle east will not be about oil anymore.

Aw for Fuck sakes man, you really need to get your facts straight and stop being a part of the problem making people dumber.

Tesla paid it back the $365 Million from the stimulus plan, a full 5 years ahead of schedule, twice as fast as required by the original 2010 loan agreement provided to them by the Department of Energy. http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/earl...17;s-atvm-loan

And don't forget other car companies benefitted as well.

Next, Those very same batters are in your laptops, which make up alot more batteries than Tesla cars. By your thinking, everyone should stop buying laptops.

Next, batteries are SAFE and can be recycled. Gasoline on the other hand, pollutes when refined, pollutes when pumped into your car, and pollutes when it is burned. It costs 16 times more than Electricity to get the same milage.

There are so many ill informed dumb fucking idiots out there who instead of opening a science book and learning the basics much prefer to spout endless shit and then pat them selves on the back for "I dun think I lernd sumfin today I tell yer whut!". If you're one of those dumb fucks that ignore true progress and replace it with republican-fed lies to the small-brained morons of the world I feel really fucking sorry for you.

i am pretty sure the total number of laptop and cellphone LI-ION batteries worldwide exceed the numbers from Tesla by far (which btw are laptop batteries switched together)

but actually i despise electric cars, but for totally different reasons

Of course. There are plenty of diesel cars getting fantastic gas mileage, some in the 70+mpg even.

Anti-green Tesla in front of bird-killer wind turbines:

http://assets.inhabitat.com/wp-conte...rive-tesla.jpg

I support better mass transportation systems... :)

:stoned

ADG

oh man, he's gonna have nightmares now...

I'm sorry, are you saying the article is wrong? No you are changing the subject, needless to say, we gave a "loan" to a company to research something that should not be used in it's current configuration.

If I bought and electric car, what would weigh more, the batteries from my laptop and cell phone or the car? See that's what Obama wants, all of us driving electric cars! So your argument is null and void

In Los Angeles, as you know, the air quality gets better and better, when is the last time you saw black smoke coming from a big rig?


If Obama wanted to really do something about air quality and gas mileage, he would pass a law to make the stop lights work so we spent less time stopped at them

:1orglaugh

no, they are not the same batteries. li-ion batteries in laptops, etc, don't use cobalt & nickel cathodes

http://i.imgur.com/zJ4u9RN.jpg

Why would you say that?

If they really wanted to kill less bird, the wind mills would look like this
http://www.see.murdoch.edu.au/resour...g/windmill.jpg

Less birds would hit them

It doesn't matter to Vendzilla. He just wants to rant about boy wonder (Obama) because clearly things were much better under the last Republican White House.

I do too, right now, Los Angeles has some of the best in the world. I don't use it, but it is pretty cool.

yes, and cars would look like this

http://johncmoulder.com/wp-content/u...with-Lamps.jpg

Don't be a dip shit

The design makes the fan blades look more solid and with them usually being out of alignment, the birds won't go near them. If they did that with the new ones, I believe less birds would get killed.
Plus there is this design
http://www.fourwinds10.net/resources...-designs-2.jpg

I use it and it's pretty fucking good. I've lived in the bay area and portland, 2 other regions with serious mass transit and can say la mass transit is on par with them.

At presence, they are only considering recycling them as they're not enough of them yet to recycle. But that's in the works.

The Valley is pretty cool, we have Amtrak going right thru it and we have a bus lane that runs along side of Victory and then Topanga. I would love to ride my bike down that road just once!

BTW, My bike gets 40 MPG with a passenger and sounds cool in the process!

Please quote the specific section in that link you posted that mentions Tesla got any of that stimulus funding.

Thanks.

Better yet, here ill help you out:

http://www.teslamotors.com/about/pre...artment-energy

You're welcome.

Sure http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...ment_of_Energy
They got their money for loans from the Stimulus
President Barack Obama unveiled on May 7, 2009, a $26.4 billion budget request for DOE for fiscal year (FY) 2010, including $2.3 billion for the DOE Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE). The budget aims to substantially expand the use of renewable energy sources while improving energy transmission infrastructure. It also makes significant investments in hybrids and plug-in hybrids, in smart grid technologies, and in scientific research and innovation.[7]
As part of the $789 billion economic stimulus package in the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, Congress provided Energy with an additional $38.3 billion for fiscal years 2009 and 2010, adding about 75 percent to Energy's annual budgets. Most of the stimulus spending was in the form of grants and contracts.

You're welcome

That's a different link you retard.

Wait, you're wrong and you call me a retard?

Unlike you, I already knew where they got their loan "shit for brains"

Yo don't fuck with vendzillas birds

Fixed it.

What people still don't get about electric cars is that 90% of the power made to charge the battery was created by burning coal, or gas. Pick your poison, burn it at the pump or at the plant. Only benefit is that the plant burns it more efficiently than your cars motor.

For fuck sakes..

The Tesla batteries are made up of thousands of little batteries just like what you have in your laptop. There are over 500 Million Laptops sold each year with about 10 batters each, or 5,000,000,000 batteries, EVERY YEAR. Like all kinds of other things they contain various dangerous chemicals. Your computer contains various metals such as led which also pollute.

To make a car go, you have to burn the gasoline. About 10% of the energy is used to actually move the car. The other 90% is lost to heat, and 100% of it is turned into gasses that you breath into your lungs.

Electric cars on the other hand are much more efficient, converting much more of the stored energy into motion and much less into heat. They emit no combustion gasses because they don't combust, and the batteries can be recycled.

Are Tesla's 100% green? No of course not - but they and other electric cars are much more green than gas cars.

Hi Huey,

In some places in the world yes, but in other places, no. In Canada most of the electricity is derived from hydro electric, not coal.

Not only that, but they get shipped across the distance of the Atlantic at least 2-3 times in various components before getting assembled which produces even more carbon footprints.

Posted again for **********, since he's avoiding the actual facts of batteries in Teslas.

I use to have budgerigars, built custom cages. It was good for stress. My first two were Spud Wrench and Clevis . Then I had a Military Macaw that said "here kitty kitty kitty" and answered my phone.

It kills me (and everyone else) that you make a huge deal over something that really isn't. Your article says "2.3 billion dollars" but it's not like $2.3 billion went to Tesla, only a small amount did, and it's pretty pointless anyhow being as the money was repaid early AND the company is still in business. In fact, they opened up a dealership here in Rocklin. More jobs for us!

If you want to talk about how our government spends our money, let's talk. Explain to me why President Bush had a stimulus package that send hundreds of millions of dollars to the Phillipines to "repay Filipino veterans who had fought Japan during WWII". WUT? Can you please explain to me how a US stimulus package sent hundreds of millions of dollars went to a foreign country and how the US economy benefited from that?

You are so desperate to make Obama look bad that all you are doing is making yourself look worse.

In reality, all of the companies are putting more and more resources toward dirty energy sources that were never before accessible – or never before considered acceptable. With limited regulation and oversight, and with plenty of subsidies and tax breaks, all of the companies discussed here are upping their oil and natural gas antes by drilling deeper than ever into the oceans (including Exxon in the Russian Arctic), increasing operations in the Canadian tar sands, dramatically expanding hydraulic fracking in ever-more parts of the U.S. and the world, and – with the exception of ConocoPhillips – hunting and drilling for oil in Iraq and/or Kurdistan. It all makes perfect sense, if you go by what Exxon vice president J.S. Simon told Congress in 2008: "The pursuit of alternative fuels must not detract from the development of oil and gas."

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...#ixzz2qyr9DkvG

http://www.heco.com/portal/site/heco...119fea9RCR D&

Ok, so you are agreeing with me

Actually more like 25 to 30%

Batteries can combust and no they are not greener because of the carbon footprint it takes to make them.

The op was not about efficiency, it is about all the polluting that is done to make the batteries, try to stay on post, I know it's hard for you!@!