"The growth is concerning the mainstream porn industry, which has seen a HUGE DECLINE IN PROFITS. "
 

DVtimes posted this just a while ago under the title "Chaturbate and Reddit in the news" but I thought I'd focus on this statement and aspect of it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...orn-stars.html

Funny isn't it how everyone else sees it but certain people in our industry?

some good points in there but no idea how do we change things

I see there's quality fact checking from the Daily Mail again...

:error Last I knew, Kathee Brewer was Editor in Chief for YNOT Group, not AVN

hey Ruth. why no news from u?
i'm really disappointed since you've promised me(((

Even when a town of people are killing each other in a gunfight, the Undertaker is still going to be saying how great business is. For a while. Screw what they say and find something they missed.

Maybe some incentivised deal a sponsor would agree to if you pitch it to them? I dunno, go for it. 90 day join = free sex toy or herbal supplement or something. Have a "store" they can choose some damn thing or other that way they feel in control. There's a free idea for everyone to shit on or run with.

Realistically I have no idea.

Six years ago I would have said:

1. Organize the top major players and have them commit to being anti-piracy
2. Industry wide boycotts of sponsors, affiliates, tubes, content providers, ad networks, and even models who work with companies who support piracy in any way or form.
3. Aggressive lawsuits against pirates and those who support them at all levels.

Instead what happened was the pirates became the main players in adult and anyone complaining or pointing out the result was dismissed as being "jealous", "a broke loser" and this sort of thing for the last six years. Now the pirates own the industry. It's like having the mob in charge of the police and the FBI.

The only thing which could save this industry now is massive worldwide law changes which limit the free porn in some way.

I think absent that all you can do is slow the fall a bit. It's too late. :(

I sent a screencap of what we discussed to your email (the one you use for your Paxum account) after we spoke last time, did you not get it?

Talking to you now on ICQ :thumbsup

There is still money out there by adapting but the point is that the industry is shrinking over all. It didn't have to be this way but WE did this by being poor business people. That is what it comes down to. It was poor business decisions collectively from the industry. Very poor decisions. Adult ought to be thriving! It should be 30 billion by now, not five!

This is how I feel when I read articles like this and I come here:



It's just so fucking frustrating to see what was done to this industry.

I need to take a break from here.

Business all over the world has changed. It has always changed. It will always continue to change, for better or for worse. Porn is not immune. And there is plenty money to be made still.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1118460

is my thread.

but it is interesting stuff.

You honestly need to stop worrying about what has been done to the industry and what has happened to others, and find a way to better and rethink your business so you can get back in the game.

I worked in adult since the eighties up until this recession adult in all forms were recession proof.

This "article" uses ancient information. Kathee Brewer, for example, has been at YNOT for a long time now, and hasn't been an Editor at AVN for years. Lazy reporting, so how serious can you take the rest of the story?

pretty sad when the dailymail is considered a news source, article not even signed

Well i would say same but also add how it's never toolate,only difference now is how sponsors and those who uses illegal tube traffic would need to take a stand,but problem is majority of them would not do that.i mean nobody is crazy to give up nice income source just for sake of greater good.
And when it come to law changes that cannot help as porn as subject is a toocomplicated for law makers,they only know to either allow it or ban it on some way(for example,in germany is not allowed free porn of any kind)

And Detroit used to be the auto capital of the world. Now look at it. Things change. :2 cents:

Porn used to be recession proof, or so everyone thought. Now it's not. Or perhaps some experts are right and we're actually in a depression. However, there are a lot of reasons involved here, but that doesn't mean there isn't a lot of money to still be made. But dinosaurs will die, that's what they do.

Yep that is way how things are done now,either that or you just give up and go into other industry(majority of people did that). Not to the mention so far there was absolutely not a single subject on what adult industry would unite.

I don't think we know each other outside of this forum, do we? Since 2011 in adult I've primarily been focused on dating, cams, and cpm monetization. I see paysites as having no future. Especially as an affiliate. I suspect this is part of the reason you are often a little upset with me, no?

I think about 90% of adult affiliates from 2005 have left. Would you agree?

Funny it's not just adult affiliates (or the industry) who suffer from the lack of unity. I was just reading this on Wikipedia the other day:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affili..._collaboration

:2 cents::2 cents: This.

I also don't understand people who seem to spend all their time here, trying to convince everyone else that they cannot make any money and if they are, they would be making 100x that if x, y, z didn't happen. It happened. Get over it. Move on or find something else to do. Complaining about it gets old real fast. Also fighting change is not very bright, seeing how you can use changes happening around you to your benefit is.

Blockbuster (at least in EU) is a perfect example of someone who choose to ignore what was happening around them.

But then again, all of this is easy for me to say - I wasn't around when any n00b could slap up a website and earn bundles just cause it had a tit on it :pimp

Yes i would,as TGP webmaster i'v seen tons of sites going offline or being sold.
And yes that is indeed problem with affiliate model as it is compiled from self employed people,not from people working for same employeer or employeers in same industry,and you could apply it to any industry with same model.

If you mean me I don't think I "spend all my time here". I have a post per day average below yours.

If you don't like the way someone posts or what they post about then you can ignore them. So how are you any different complaining about people "complaining" (otherwise known as telling the truth and posting a news article with quotes)?

Some of you really seem to be in denial and don't like people pointing out things which go against your worldview. It's like cult-think. Some of you are to the point where posting a news article is considered "complaining and whining". No, dude. It's the fucking news. It's called the TRUTH. Yeah it's a lot different than the whole "hookers and blow" adult industry show speak where we all bullshit over drinks and act like billionaire pimps and kiss the ass of anyone who might be able to throw us a buck. But I'm not into that shit game. Never have been. Don't like it? Ignore me.

Hey, I'm sure if you're Fabien, the adult industry seems pretty damn poppin'.

True, but I think some of these guys are starting to see things. The road ahead is much darker than they thought.

"Porn" is making less because of the Internet (less magazines, less DVD sales). Wow. What a fucking revelation.

But did USA Today take into account cams and adult dating (where much of that missing 5 billion went)? Probably not.

Blah blah - signupdammit I swear you look for ANY reason to post 'porn is dead, affiliates are dead' threads. Dude, you can post example after example of how porn is dying, affiliates are getting screwed, etc - but guess what? It will never change the fact that some of us - yes, I said US - are still making decent money in Adult.

Also: do you have a job? You complain about declining aff sales on a daily basis so where are you making your money NOW? Are you making enough of it to post endlessly on GFY about how bad business (for you) is?

I don't understand....approaching Paul Markham 'get a life' territory here.

Plus - and this is the major point - WHY? What are you trying to accomplish? Are you trying to turn away affiliates, convince people to be like you and give up on even trying? What's your Goal in constantly telling people porn is dead and the affiliate model is dying? The OLD affiliate model is indeed dying but the CURRENT affiliate model is working well for those of us who have embraced it.

no one is in denial here, we all know that easy money is long gone, you are the one that seems to be clinging to the past...:2 cents:

I don't think we know each other, and I'm never upset with you. I just strongly disagree with what you're saying about all of this. There is a lot of money to be made with paysites still. Perhaps not for all affiliates, but for site owners, the money is there if you have something worth buying and you know how to sell it. It's that simple.

Me on the other hand, I can't make dick from cams anymore. I used to do very well with them, but these days I don't make anything. I could go on and on about the end of the industry, but I know that is just my experience, as my close friend makes a KILLING on cams while I make nothing. That's just how business works.

Perhaps by posting here I am a bit but otherwise no. I've said it over and over. Promoting paysites as an affiliate is pretty much dead. Some people seem to get angry when I post that because they still have paysites where they are looking for affiliates.

Dude did you just quote the Daily Mail and call it truth? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

C'mon man, you are obviously pissed at the state of affair and feel that we should all be educated and if we aren't listening to your truth, we are in denial. What are you trying to achieve?

Imagine if you were in a position where you were making more money every year when comparing to the year before - would you still agree that the industry is shit and still say that there is no money in porn?

I didn't mean that you spend all your time here (how could I know if you did). I meant that all the time you have here is more or less spent debating this subject.... I see it put the comma a bad place for that to be clear. Anyhow. Peace.

you make constant comparisons to the past = "clinging to the past"...

look at your first post... so what that the industry was worth $10B 5 years ago and now it's worth only $5B?

you just have to work out how to grab even .01% share of that and you will be fine :thumbsup

Truth from one of the smartest people on GFY. Listen to Woj.

Dude, I agree with most everything you say, but you are beating a dead horse.

The industry may have built itself up around the idea that one individual could slap a bunch of affiliate links on a webpage and make big money, but the reality has always been, is and always will be that there was never any guarantee you could make big money and if you did, that it would last forever.

This is not the first industry to be driven into the ground by a bunch of greedy douchebags who don't give a shit about anything other than themselves. Its not going to be the last.

And we haven't even hit rock bottom yet, where the wheels fly off in four different directions and sparks shoot out from underneath the chassis as the oil pan scrapes along the pavement until it bursts into flame.

Nature will take its course and the market will correct itself.

When you bring up things from other threads and try to use it to me it just indicates that you are making things personal and sort of looking for ammunition against me (there is some anger in your post too). As if I have upset you in some way and said something you didn't like so now you follow me around accusing me of things like so many other posters do.

Honestly I think some of the things you think I am saying are a result of you reading into it and your own personal feelings against me. For example when you got angry that I didn't want to become your affiliate and take your offer to give me long videos, etc You thought I was talking about not making any money and that I needed your help. But that is not what it ever was although I appreciated your offer. When I talk about the industry it's not always a hidden personal statement. When I bring up that someone doesn't pay or that affiliates lose sales due to something like watermarks it's not saying "I make no money. Please help!" but somehow you seem to think it means that. It means just what it says. That's it.

The Daily Mail/USA Today wrote it. Not I. Don't shoot the messenger. :)

I will not even bring up how many times you post quotes from other threads and even post other threads in threads so....oh wait, I just did.

Thinking I'm taking it personally actually shows how sensitive to this you yourself are; I do not take an affiliate refusing to work with me personally. I just shake my head and say that's their (wrong) decision and instead focus on those who do want to make money with me. No, your problem is you complain daily there is no money in being a paysite affiliate anymore yet also admit you only promote a handful of paysites for years and are not interested in trying to make money promoting (new) paysites.

(Circular logic is hard to type out so sorry for that last sentence.)

To sum up: you complain daily yet do nothing to prove yourself wrong. Therefore: time to ignore your rambling.

It's the #1 issue in the industry though. How much money we all make. :) And probably the number one problem in the industry now is piracy. So isn't it logical to discuss this the most?

I think the reason it's not discussed more is because who is largely in control of the industry now. If we say that the industry is in decline then (rightly IMO) that is a shot against the companies at the top of this industry. But they have their hands in so much and so many are dependent upon them that many don't want to hear that. So there is this pressure for many to say that everything is great and to even react with anger to any insinuation otherwise. Many left are sponsors and reps. Most affilaites (who are more willing to talk) are gone.

I've never said "there is no money in porn" except as a joke. :) Sometimes people read into things I think. I'm just very negative on being a paysite affiliate and I do think the industry has been in decline because of the decline of the paysite model due primarily to piracy.

It's true, Mr. Peabody, that I often quote other threads. But you don't see me following you around from thread to thread and accusing you of being like Paul Markham and telling you that you complain too much, do you? That is what I meant. :)

Do not read into what I write. When I talk about the industry contracting that is not complaining. That is sharing a fact. Especially from a news article. When I talk about watermarks on promo content that isn't "whining" or "complaining" it's sharing knowledge and throwing something out there. There used to be more affiliates here and we used to appreciate that stuff more rather than get upset that someone else mentioned it.

:2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

It is the INTENT of your posts that I call into question. You are discussing what you call 'news' but, like the sources you quoted here in this thread, what you are saying is 'news' is really just 'perspective' (that's what we used to call it in journalism back when there WAS journalism instead of what we mostly have now, opinions posing as news).

From your perspective....if this were at the heart of your posts I would actually support you, empathize with you and be less harsh. But you do not throw the caveat out there "This is true of MY experience..." or "This is true for ME". Yes, sometimes you do say that but the overwhelming majority of your comments/posts are negative and general.

So again: what is your INTENT? If it were to just share experiences I would understand. But instead your posts appear like you are posting 'proof' to try and convince current or potential affiliates the reasons they should not promote paysites. From personal experiences we can learn a lot but from general "Here's why what I say is true...." examples are misleading and just 'perspective' (opinion) journalism. (From MY perspective - a paysite owner who started 4 years ago - sales are GREAT. Is this news'?)

So if your INTENT is to share experiences please do so because we can all learn from industry veterans. But if your intent is to dissuade affiliates from promoting paysites then I consider you the equivalent of a pot smoker who quits telling all the 420 smokers how they're gonna die, go crazy or get brain cancer if they don't stop immediately.

In other words, a fucking bummer.
Light up!!
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(And make money with paysites woohoo!!)