Being a Ukrainian: ways to go out of your country
 

So, if you are a Ukrainian and sick of your Government and fellow Ukrainians,
and you're working online making 3k+ then you might wanna consider several ways
to live out of your country within a whole year.

The estimate is made for a single person of course, or a couple, adding kids would
enlarge a budget up to 5k+.

So, based on the latest visa free ( some are 90 days at once, some are indefintie stay) country list there are three ways. The cheapest would be Asian, then Central American and South American.

Asian:

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Central American:

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South American:

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There is also another, probably the best way, if you have a B1/B2 5 year US visa you'd stick around USA, Mexico and Costa Rica for a whole year.

All the countries mentioned allow 90 - 180 ( like Peru ) day stay, some are indefinite ( Georgia ).

You wont need to care about visas or status change in that case.
That's my report.

I spent a month in Lima. Peru is beautiful country.

That's an American way IMHO, your gun powered mentality is telling you, get cured ASAP.

Just do it already, by the time you will make a decision everything will change.
Do you know how much time families had to think about this in 1990? 3 months max. Pack up and dosvedania.
You have been thinking about it for at least 7 years!

Ask fellow GFY'ers for free hook ups with Air Azerbaijan and off you go.

I did, my back yard btw in Honduras.

http://www.tema.ru/travel/saratov.2013.05/4F2C3534.jpg

Will it be appropriate if I ask you to post tits first?

huh? :error

Really? :Oh crap

why you mad bro
you dont like mamaliga anymore

That's in Moldavia, as far as I know.

You can get an FMT in mexico for 6 months in most cased and renew it by leaving the country for 24 hours. so you take a vacation from vacation and go to Belize and back.

Getting an FM3 residency is pretty easy as well if you can prove your income.

Hint: if a country is easy for you to enter and stay long term, it's a bigger shithole than the one you're from.

It's only partially true.

Maybe. But I'd rather live in the Ukraine than any of the countries underlined above.

Please, share your experience.

I believe the Ukraine is more likely than the others to become a member of the EU.

Not happening anytime soon.

I like my country - Germany and I think I am going to stay here. But it is good to have some traveling from time to time and see other places. America seems tempting. :)

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I could not imagine what it feels like to want to leave your country...

:2 cents:

It's still probably the most modern, stable, democratic and least endemically corrupt than the others.

In your country people ask me why i speak English.

Others? They give no fuck about joining EU much, except Georgia may be and Moldova.
And thanks for sarcasm.

In fact there is no more country I was born in ... what's left its a parody.

I'm sure there's a lot of obvious corruption in Ukraine (in the EU and US the powers that be do a better job of concealing it and keeping it to themselves), but I'd still say it's probably less than the others.

What do you hate about Ukraine? Remember, most people probably hate things about their country, especially politicians or politics, and think the grass is greener elsewhere.

Essentially I feel fine in Slavic countries like Poland, Slovakia. But their joining EU makes the move nearly impossible.

It's not like im a new born, ive been around EU and USA, so I really can compare.
Once you cross the border you see thing change. And it goes on and on...
I currently reside out of Ukraine, fighting EU bureaucracy.

http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/pol...s-i-v-ts-opros

thats because Ukrainians have connections with Russia. I'd cut the cheese in half and let them join Russia while allowing other side to join EU.

Well, yeah, in the case of Eastern Europe compared to the US or Western Europe the grass is greener. :upsidedow My bad.

Well, thats true if you're seeking an asylum or born in the West.. but coming to EU to work
as an independent work force means facing a ton of restrictions and requirements that doesnt touch locals or other EU citizens AT ALL.

That ukraine women exleader is in prison now?

And its a crucial part in signing a EU association papers.

Sid70, у тебя есть старые умирающие родители или дети, которым нужно закончить образование именно на Украине? Если нет, то каого хрена ты до сих пор еще там?

На самом деле, вопрос "куда свалить", он реально очень сложный. Если ты думаешь, что в Шататах манна небесная, то ты очень сильно заблуждаешься. Для нас - людей, рожденных в СССР, там реальная жопа - с медициной, с полицейским беспределом и т.д. Поверь мне - человеку, который часто бывает в Штатах. Туризм там отменный, но путать его с эмиграцией я бы не стал...

Европа, она тоже разная. Из всех мест, где я побывал, наиболее близким по духу мне кажется Каталония (не Испания, заметь). Я бы пожил там, если была бы на то возможность, но ее нет. Пос семейным причинам.

Человек вообще, очень сильно зависит от среды, в которой он вырос. Я сегодня вечером гулял по Москве и понял, что в мире очень мало мест, способных заменить мне ощущения спокойствия и "домашности", что я чувствую здесь.

Вот как-то так.

Google Translateski.

What city do you live in? And what is the average salary in Ukraine?

i dont have much idea about it, hope you find some decent place.
you should try asia btw , its not that expensive and you can live great life if you find perfect place.
Best wishes.