TOOL Frontman Sounds Off On Illegal Downloading, Music Industry
 

Tool frontman is a tool...

Nice article Jay ….

Maynard: "There's a disconnect between people not buying music and not understanding why [bands] go away. There are people who are like monkeys in a cage just hitting the coke button. They don't really get that for [musicians and artists] to do these things, they have to fund them. They have to have something to pay the rent."

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You have to be dead not to love Tool or A Perfect Circle. That being said, I don't really care what singers have to say when they're not singing.

don't bands make 95% of their money from touring anyway?

speaking of which i finally saw them live in detroit and they played 8 long songs all new except for stink fist and left without an encore.. bravo..

in their defence i'm sure they are better to see indoors..

Pink Floyd sold more than 50 million "albums" that's a lot of money there.

I liked that one too. :)

I don't think anything has changed really. I still remember buying blank cassettes and recording music directly off the radio - crappy, but that was how we did things then. For a while that problem went away with CDs - Then could rip a song and then put it online for thousands of people to grab.

It depends. Some bands, well many bands, have bad deals and they make very little off of the record sales partially because the labels spend a lot of money promoting them and that money all comes out of the artists royalties. That said, a band also gets performance royalties for having songs played on the radio or on services like Spotify and Pandora. They also can make money selling merchandise and licensing their music for things like ringtones, but for many bands touring is the big source of income especially if they are a well-known, popular band that can sell out big venues at prices that are pretty high.

If you are a big, well-known band then you can get a big advance for recording an album. For example many years ago right after Dude Looks Like a Lady hit for Aerosmith they signed a four album deal worth $50 million dollars. They knew they would likely never see a penny of royalties but they got $12.5 million up front per record then went on the road and made bank so they likely cared less about record sales.

Huh? They played 8 new songs? From their upcoming album? That's hard to believe. Are you sure? Any youtube links?

It's definitely in how well the band spends that advance. The old system was rigged against bands, probably still is, for making money off actual disc sales. But money is in commercials, licensing for tv and film and other outlets as you mentioned.

I think the problems younger bands face, the ones doing it themselves, are by "fans" who spread the music around in places the band does not intend. Sure, band may give away a certain amount for free, but they have to pay the bills at the end of the day. Its like the asshats giving away entire videos away in our business. And people wonder why revenue streams are trickling down to nothing.

Great interview with Maynard. Every musician wannabe should check it for reality.

He's rather straight forward in the article.


Thanks for sharing it and i'm a big fan of Tool. One of the best bands i've seen live.

Tool fucking rocks. Period.

For sure. In all record label cases it comes down to the contract. If a band is in a position of power they can demand certain things and might make more off of records sales where other newer bands will not.

These days we are seeing more and more 360 deals. Labels are signing new acts and the contracts are forcing the bands to give the labels a piece of all of their income from touring, merch, licensing etc. It is a sign of the times.

Amen on that...

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Danny is one of the few people I truly feel short next to.

That has always been going on. That is nothing new.

Maynard is fucking brilliant. Tool's easily one of the best bands of the last two decades.

Should've paid closer attention to the Grateful Dead business model...:2 cents:

Write shitty music, make your shows a traveling drug carnival? That's all they really did. Sure that made a shitload of money, but they still suck.

Guess your bands should've paid closer attention too. :1orglaugh

Here you go, no need to thank me...

You have already amused me enough that I should be thanking you for your drug carnival comment, or am I the only one that finds that laughably ironic?

From the description:

"The Grateful Dead broke almost every rule in the music industry book. They encouraged their fans to record shows and trade tapes; they built a mailing list and sold concert tickets directly to fans; and they built their business model on live concerts, not album sales. By cultivating a dedicated, active community, collaborating with their audience to co-create the Deadhead lifestyle, and giving away "freemium" content, the Dead pioneered many social media and inbound marketing concepts successfully used by businesses across all industries today."

That was a different time, plus the dead didn't have any albums woth buying, but I would go to their shows to score drugs...

Oh yeah...



SLAYER!!!

That's not exactly saying very much considering 90% of the music from the past 2 decades is terrible. Not a fan of tool, but I definitely feel like people are downloading so much music simply because they can, not because they actually like the artists.

I'm sure people will do the same with Bluebird Films

Good point. Especially the music from the last decade. Good lord.

I have to agree, I don't like most newer music, but maybe it would would not have taken a nosedive if bands actually had an intensive to pursue their craft.

Danny Carey is fucking amazing!!!

I have seen Tool live 6 times and I still get amazed at how he can be so fucking good and make it look so effort less. I love how he brings the drummer from an opening act up on stage and has a drum off, fucking awesome!

Maynard is right, unfortunatley bands have suffered from illegal downloading but at the same time there is not a lot of music worth paying for these days.

This is a great point. It wasn't too long ago that a label would sign a band and develop them. they would give them 2-3 albums to see if they could find a voice and build an audience. Because of this a lot of good bands had time to become very good or great bands. These days if your first single isn't a hit they toss you aside and move on.

There's still some good music out there but it's hard to find thanks to radio stations and music channels only playing whiny punk/pop, shitty rap, dubstep, techno, or some talentless lip-syncing whore. Today's music scene is in bad shape.

These days like 90% of the radio stations are all owned by the same 2 companies. If they like a song it gets played to death everywhere, but breaking into the radio and getting on it is very difficult.

Very true, unfortunately.

Cool story, tool sucks. prove me wrong by collecting links and putting effort into this.

Downloading has definitely sucked cash out of music. Let's say 15 million people in the US alone downloaded material from 6 albums per year that they otherwise would have purchased. At $15 per CD that's $13.5 Billion in retail sales over that 10 year period.

But at the same time concert ticket prices have doubled. So has the pricetag on everything at the merch stand. And concerts have far more people at them than they did 15 years ago.

I agree with this 100%. If you like the band or not, I'll use Rush as an example. They didn't have a "hit" album to 2012 and that was their 4th release.

If it was today the wouldn't have even made it to "Caress of Steel" (which I rather like)

But, the label stuck it out till "Moving Pictures"...can you imagine how many private jets, houses, eight-balls, and golf courses that thing bought and that was just for the suits? LOL

Digital piracy ruins art. It's a fact.

I wish I could find the HD version of this but it was pulled from YouTube.

Maynard's cerebral lyrics, combined with the mesmeric musicianship of his band members, makes Tool undoubtedly one of the best bands of all time.

Can't torrent a concert... I mean you could, but seriously.

Concerts are where the money is made. Unless the band owns their songs. Which 98% don't.

Very true. Another example would be Pink Floyd. They had a small following in England and got some local support at first, but nothing major until their 3rd or 4th album and even those weren't big hits at first. They have sold a lot of copies since as fans discovered them later, but at first they were pretty obscure. In today's market they would have been dumped (if they had even gotten signed) and we would have never had The Wall or Dark Side of the Moon.

As things stand right now the marvel of instant distribution is leading to the destruction of quality production because too many people believe it is their right not to pay for what they consume.

People come up with all sorts of justifications as in it's crap anyway, it's too expensive, the corporates just rip bands off anyway (so I will too), the list of excuses and justifications is endless.

In a digital world, original content needs to be valued and penalties for theft of digital content need to be enough to deter that theft, the alternative is that we'll completely lose investment in production as there will be no incentive to produce.

I have a new record out on Matador. No, BS. Came out in December. We were lucky enough to do it old school. We're one of the few who can work radio and the press. Too many are willing to get high and have the record company bang them a good one. If I had to sign a 360 deal I would skip label entirely. Just like movie studios they have a thousand ways not to pay you. I just wish free downloaders would make the differentiation between true indy and major label indy.

Congrats on the record. So you were able to get it on the radio? If so that is a major accomplishment.

So many people think, "I'll just download the music and when I like it I'll be a fan of theirs and I will go see them live or support them some other way." Of course they never do so in the end they have the band's music and the band has nothing in return.

Thanks. We are getting it to a network of stations we know. I've been dealing with some since the 80's. Its the truth about not supporting via lame disconnect excuse. "I'm with ya bro."

They seem to have the same disconnect with talent vs ability. I watched about 5 mins of American Idol last week and almost wet my pants with laughter. contestants weren't laughing though. Starting to warm up to Minaj, as a character anyway.