has anyone out there made a killing with gay porn?
 

I mean is there a Lensman or Fantasyman of gay porn?

Jenny Jones..... She has made a killing in the gay market

We will be, care to model?

:winkwink:

hehe

Ashamed to admit I laughed at that : (

I have a gay site that gets almost the exact same traffic today as it did a year ago. No fucking growth at all.

I've heard that the guy who runs Bad Puppy isn't doing too bad.

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i dont icq that much
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I hear 12Clicks has incredible retention with his own amateur site.

Seriously though, we're doing really damn well with gay sites/ traffic. Our gay sites on PythonPays are doing so well I'm thinking of kicking all straight business over to DollarMachine and making PythonPays totally gay. Ha Ha! Has a nice ring to it... PythonPays is Totally Gay! - :1orglaugh

:thumbsup I love gay traffic...

Aly-Python can I email you?

Oh yeah,

Python rocks for gay stuff :)

Actually ARS do well on gay traffic too :)

You might like to head over to http://www.gaywidewebmasters.com and ask on there too.

Regards,

Lee

Our best converting sites tend to be the gay ones. There's definitely a market for it!

Yes there is, Darren aka DKNY who runs all of our Gay sites and hosts http://cegayradio.com

You can reach him at [email protected]

Hi Marcus, Feel free to contact me anytime: [email protected].

and DO check out GayWideWebmasters.

Also, as Fantasyman said, Darren at CEGay is a rising Star in the gay side of the industry... [email protected].

Speak to you soon, darling!

All of you are clueless.

then enlighten us o great labret

Fuck off.

Let me just explain some things to you slapdicks.

There is no Lensman of gay. In order to be the Lensman of gay you need a few things. Tons of fucking newbies pushing your shit on free sites and tgps.

The largest gay tgp on the planet barely hits 70k a day, you have a handful at 40k and a dozen or so at 20k+. The traffic is not there to support a "lensman" of gay.

Badpuppy and the above mentioned did good back in 97 when they had the entire field to themselves. It isnt so anymore, and I dont know anyone aside from a few other oldschoolers who even push them. Back in the day, 29 year old twinks would cut it, now it will not.

I been in gay exclusively since 97, and trust me, you are all waaaaay off base. You are all stuck in 97.

All these big straight sponsors who open up their run of the mill cock and ball sites, they all suck balls. Convert like shit.

AIDS ?

Labret is right on this. It's probably the hardest niche to deal with with.

Additionally we need more gay people :glugglug

Watch out, the straight webmasters trying their hand at gay don't want to hear this. IMO there's only 5-10 really good twink paysites, and as far as I know they are all gay-owned.

I look at those garbage gay sites on TopBucks, ARS, PlatinumBucks, etc... and the only thing I can think of is that the members of these sites likely have absolutely no idea of what esle is out there. They could be spending half the money, and getting something 10x better (and that's a major understatement).

The problem here is that straight webmasters make sure their gay sites are run like their straight sites. Quantity over quality.

The amount of traffic to gay free sites is irrelevant to conversions and the potential for making a profit.

There is a market for it, and it does convert well... at least, it does for us.

Total nonsense. The amount of traffic very much affects any profit in a big way. Sure if you know what you're doing you can make good ratios but without traffic ratios mean nothing. The gay market is a good one but it can never be 'huge' because you can only sell to the traffic that's out there. The only thing traffic isn't so directly related to is profit margin - totally different thing from the amount of profit you see at the end of the year.

Mind you, I'm thankful so many str8 WM's really can't undertsand gay to convert it. Sure helps me.

In many cases there genuinely is very little any better out there. There's as many gay niches as there are straight niches and some of them are VERY poorly covered. Sure on the more mainstream stuff such as twinks, general hardcore etc there's some great sites kicking around. Get a little more obscure though and choice gets very limited.

Well no shit.

I nowhere near said it doesnt convert. My whole life revolves around it. My house, gay porn. My car, gay porn. My education, gay porn. The question was "is there a gay lensman"? While what Lensman decides to do on his day off is none of our business, is there a gay equivalent to him? Or Fantasyman for that matter? There is nobody in gay that could come even remotely close to Fantasyman. Why? Because the traffic just doesnt exist. Cept maybe the Baitbus guys. That shit swept through gay like a holy fire sent from God. Even IF you had control of 95% of the gay traffic out there, you still wouldnt rival Fantasyman in your wildest dreams.

I had somebody submitting gay galleries for me using Top Bucks gay sites and I was converting 1:60 off gay TGP traffic.. I was doing about 10 sales a week because traffic was low.. Then Top Bucks went to shit and I haven't found anything else to promote on the gay TGP's.. Marcus you have good traffic on fresh loads. Most the sales I made came from your TGP..

Peace

and which one would that be?

baitbus was good,but didnt last that long

Baitbus was the first site I had ever seen that had nearly everyone in gay of any consequence pushing it. Imagine if you had every gigantic straight site pushing your program. Good gay sites are very few and far between. Everyone hears the rumors of easy money in gay, wonderful conversions, so they bust out their photoshop, slap up a bunch of rainbows and buy a ton of shitty content. The equivalent of your run of the mill ass and titty sites that wont convert in a million years.

VERY few people have taken the time to study the gay market. Its not just a simple matter of sticking some dick on a page. And thank god for you clueless fuckers, you are never competition.

Even if you somehow come up with a good idea for a gay site, where do you plan on getting your traffic? All of the large gay tgps push their own programs and trade with each other, and they dont take kindly to strangers and or idiots. You go to the top 10 gay sites, you are gonna see very very few of them pushing any of the programs that people have mentioned above.

The gay industry and market is completely different than straight. You gallery making monkies will never make any "significant" money in it because you dont understand it. And it changes at such a rapid rate that you cant just "do" gay once a week.

There are two people in this thread, people who worked in gay 5 years ago, and people who think they know what they are talking about. Is there anyone on here from any of the big gay programs right now? Not the big gay sites of yester year, the site everyone is pushing now. Do the major gay tgps guys hang out here? No.

gay is not a niche.

bears is a niche. twinks is a niche.
one-balled-handicapped-gay-midget-transexuals is a niche.

:)

there are good gay sites, owned by big programs, and they are run by gay people. for example, i run the gay sites for lightspeed, and they convert & retain very well thank you. (spamspam)

however, it seems that most people are so fixated on the $35, $40, or $50 per join they can get to one of the "big guys" that they dont see the potential in a well retaining, smaller site that pays on percentage, not per join.

i know site owners who have members that have been around for 6 months, a year, even 2 years or more... now lets see... $50 for a one time join, or 6 months at 60% ($20)... 6x20=$120 value of member to the affiliate... geez... i guess gay people are the only ones who can do math :)

someone said that all the good gay sites are smaller & run by gay people - and i agree 100%. there are some good ones owned by big programs, but honestly the member areas suck, and i dont see how they can afford $50 per join because i KNOW they cant possibly retain.

that is all.

Aly from http://www.python.com and Brent from http://www.chisel.com are both SinEmpire approved.

:thumbsup

Out side of them, Labret is my hero in the gay Market. This guy is the real deal.

Brad

yes, what he said.

woof.

And the problem is they don't. With the majority of the 'big' gay sponsors ratios are VERY variable even when the traffic is steady and from the same sources. There can be 400% increases (or 75% drops) from one week to the next on numbers big enough to make them significant. Compare this to a 'good' smaller program using a 3rd party processor where signups are steady and predictable week in, week out and I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

Another gay site that I can vouch for personally about conversions and retention is http://www.tylersroom.net

Brad

these are subniches :glugglug

Can anyone recommend any gay sites with quality content, preferably original and a good affiliate program? I need to review some gay paysites for Carnalia.com and I have yet to find a gay paysite that genuinely impresses me.

ok then all straight porn is one niche.

teens is a subniche.
lesbian is a subniche.

silly isnt it?

gay is not a niche.

LOL now this *IS* a conversation i would love to see you have with Gary-Alan lmaopip

Regards,

Lee

gay is not a niche :)