| PR_Phil |
09-13-2012 02:43 PM |
Come on, you guys are smarter than this!
Webmasters Make Money links killed online porn? give me a break.
GFY killed the industry! not a chance, although I think GFY is usually a huge waste of time, it certainly did not destroy anything, except a few peoples reputation.
Fabian Destroyed the World! I don't think so, the damage was done while he was still working for Nats.
GTS fucked up the porn industry? really? not sure how that's possible, and yes I read the post.
In 1999 when I started in the industry, every tour I saw had a "webmasters make money" link on it, the industry continued to grow.
GFY is certainly not powerful enough to have any real effect on the industry, it's a forum full of people with nothing to do, several years ago it was full of successful people in the industry, very few trolls, very few surfers, shit got done on here, relationships were solidified, deals were made, instead of fighting, people got to know their peers and organized deals and relationships.
Fabian doesn't have the power to destroy an industry that has already been decimated, just the brains to cash in on it. Don't take that as kissing ass, I am in no way pro Manwin, but he didn't create this problem, and neither did Mansef, PornHum, YouPorn and any of the others.
GTS? the only way you could argue that GTS could do anything to destroy the industry is if you assume that everyone selling ads or spots through GTS was brilliant, and everyone else is an idiot, and in no way can compete unless they can purchase that traffic, those impressions, or those spots at a reasonable price.
it's easy to blame those webmaster links, they created an industry where there were almost as many sales people as there was customers, the competition was fierce, the small pie had to be devided 40,000 times by each program, the guys who got in early, and had success not due to their strategy, but simply because of the lack of competition were screwed, the younger guys who found the "webmaster" links understood technology and were quickly capturing traffic.
It's easy to blame GFY, the place has gone to shit, while there is still quite a few smart, successful and respectful people here, they are far outweighed by a bunch on adolescent school girls who just want to call each other bitches and argue about who has bigger mental problems. The board could be cleaned up, but then where would we be, the action would be slow, the people who have something to contribute would get bored waiting for something relevant to be posted, because there are not Mitt Romney threads to pass the time, and the amount of actual users online, and posts per minute would plummet the value of the advertising here to a point where it would not make sense to even employ a moderator. (not that i see one around very often now)
Of course it's easier to blame Fabian than anyone else, guy comes out of nowhere with a wallet the size of a small countries GDP, insists it's his money when everyone is trying to tie him to every low life on the planet, and instead of begging for acceptance, he said he had a plan and he was taking over. It scared the shit out of people, because they knew the basis of his ideas were products that were quickly gobbling up the majority of the adult traffic. Again, I am in no way pro Manwin, but I am pretty sure, (likely due to the amount of money which may or may not have been his going into this) that the moment he took control of Mansef, he started cleaning up their ways, and cracking down on the piracy, certainly he is no saint, certainly he is profit driven, certainly he's be happy to take us all down to grow his empire, but he didn't cause this mess.
I guess some people would find Blaming GTS just fun, with all the shit that happened with Mark a few months ago. A great salesman who realized that if you can just be the go between for a bunch of nerdy owners and a bunch of nerdy buyers who don't have the social skills to build relationships themselves, you can take 30% of the pie and spend your time drinking hard on the slopes or at the Jays game. Again, that doesn't make any of this his fault, he's just better at talking, if we all drank as hard as him, our ambitions would all be gone and he never would have been needed in the first place. (Mark, I can still drink you under the table though).
none of those ideas are in themselves significant enough to destroy an industry. Each one is certainly big enough to destroy a few lives, ruin a few careers, even take down a few significantly sized companies, but not a whole industry. It takes something way bigger for that, it takes an enormous issue, something that fundamentally impacts the integrity of an entire industry and is then compounded by the greed of the jealous, or the drive of the ambitious with no morals. It's a twelve step program that required dozens of players to execute, and years to reach it's full impact, it's a problem that is reversible, but still exists, it's a problem that the government cares about more than piracy, because they aren't quite as dumb as you think, and they know who goes to the polls to vote.
All it took was 1 question to get the ball rolling, it then snowballed into a 5 year long saga of Banks going down, processors closing shop, reputable programs selling for no other reason than the fact that they were offered a great price. It's still happening now, I'm quite confident that some of the banks I work with that purport to be top notch and stand up will undoubtedly be gone a year from now, and I will be forced to find new ones, who in turn will promises me that they will never process for the laundry list of companies that I send to new banks along with the statement "I am not interested in working with you if you have, have ever had, or will ever have, a business or personal relationship with any of these scamming fucks!".
that question was "if there was a way I could double the amount of money you make from me, could you find a way to spread my risk among your other clients". It was posed by a craft young individual in the adult space, to another crafty young individual in the banking space.
that question was followed by "If I were to pay you three times the rate I am currently paying, and I could guarantee I could increase my volume three fold, could you spread 9 times the allowable risk among your other clients and keep my hands clean.
there was then a third question that was necessary to make sure the plan could really be effective, that question was. "Are you comfortable with the idea of making soooo much money off me right now, that you won't even care if a year from now you loose your company and all your other clients get screwed, cause you'll be filthy rich, and I will buy you a Lamborghini in every color of the rainbow!"
unfortunately for us, the answer to all three questions was yes! At that time, a crafty young individual in the adult space started banging cards. Soon he realized that he didn't have enough products to bang the cards as much as he wanted to, so he called another crafty young dude and said "let me send you come cross sales" dude said "sure" knowing that crafty boy 1's program did about 500 sales a say, as he assumed the risk would be low. Problem was Crafty Boy 1 started sending 2000 cross sales a day, so crafty boy 2 say "oh fuck" and confronted crafty boy 1, who in turn said "don't worry mon! I can make you as rich as you ever imagined and show you the way of the force.
problem was, crafty boy 2 then needed somewhere to send his cross sales, so he told his friend, that happened again, and again, and again. By the time anyone realized what was going on, there were a dozen large programs banging cards left and right. Some peeps in the industry finally started to wise up and said "no, not me, I will not be a part of this" so instead of bringing new guys on board, the crafty's had to start buying programs to get new products, new corps, new individuals who's names had not been tarnished. It wasn't too tough, cause those new individuals only needed to answer 1 question. "Can i ruin your reputation, your credit, and destroy your ability to cross international borders? in turn I will pay you a fuck ton of money! and hey, what's your choice, I just bought the program you ran, I could just lay you off if you don't like my idea!".
Anyways, the idea, well the absolute truth, is that 3 years ago, somewhere in the range of 20 to 25% of every person who joined a porn site was getting completely fucked in the ass, to the point where their only recourse was to cancel their credit card. The problem is that over 50% of our customers join multiple sites, move from site to site, and try new products out, often taking more than 1 trial to a pay site every month looking for the best product. What that means is that in the matter of only a couple years, all the great customers had been fucked, and once you join a free trial, and in the first 30 days amass 17 different charges totally $475, your done paying for porn, FOR GOOD!
the first time I ever went on the internet, there was free porn. When I started in this industry, there was plenty of free porn. It's no different now, the difference is, 10 years ago people preferred to get their porn from a place they considered safe, a company that build a password protected members area filled with content, where they knew they would not be looking at illegal content, where they knew the content was sheltered from the eyes of the young. People were willing to pay for that. People haven't changed, we did, people still want to get their porn from a safe place, that will not install viruses on their pc, that will not bang the shit out of their card, unfortunately, the only place they can get that safety anymore, is a place where they don't have to give out any personal information at all, the only way they know their CC will not get banged, is if they don't use it!
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