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RandyRandy 09-12-2012 11:58 AM

How Live Sex Will Save The Porn Industry
 
Interesting article on cams.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/michaelstabi...-porn-industry

alias 09-12-2012 12:01 PM

I wonder if Manwin can figure out a way to devalue cam sites so they can buy those too.

SatansCandy 09-12-2012 12:04 PM

“Fornicators will suffer the vengeance of eternal fire” – Jude 7

London Banker 09-12-2012 12:04 PM

Quote:

"For those at the top, the rewards are incredible. A popular model on a large cam site can generate over $40,000 in a single month."
Sounds legit.

:1orglaugh

fitzmulti 09-12-2012 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SatansCandy (Post 19185124)
?Fornicators will suffer the vengeance of eternal fire? ? Jude 7

BR 5:49 - "I reach the cell phone of Junior Samples, and he doth not answer." :pimp

digitalfantasies 09-12-2012 12:50 PM

the article describes what I thought 4 years ago.... when I decided to promote cams. And I think the cam biz will keep growing and will remain stable, considering technology will only make the experience and interaction better and better


so.. too bad they don't convert

adultmobile 09-12-2012 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyRandy (Post 19185103)

Everyone except VenusBlogger and Paul Markham may agree that "cams are doing well", as a genre, but the article implies it is easy to make lots of money by start a new cam site, or by register as a model of a cam site.

The article forgots to say that 95% of the new cam sites fail or struggle to just stay up. The article it also forgets it is required lots of money to launch a cam site (mostly due to advertising and fixed-pay promo for keep models there) it is not a bedroom operation you run as hobby.

The article implies that most USA girls can do lots money in cams. As example $40,000 per month models and "A recent cam show by Jenna Haze* on AWE's LiveJasmin.com attracted 10,000 paying followers. That's a lot of cash".
Possibly "10,000" it was the popunders opened, not the pay users, anyway we know a dozen models make $40,000 per month each, just other thousands make very less.

Should the article guy go in second and third page girls and ask how much they made per month and will find $200 to $800 per month really. Not as good for USA models or westerns in general (the Article implies the east europe models it is the past, and the future is USA girls, I quite see the opposite, was more USA girls before 2005...).

Finally the article it is a celebration of AWE's livejasmin, no wonder the tax people read such article and be in AWE's office immediately to ask their cut of the billion dollar market they claim they dominate, see: https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1081209

Said that, the article it can be still interesting for who misses cam knowledge completely.

Pierre Djurberg 09-12-2012 02:00 PM

Good article, and good reading :)

Paul Markham 09-12-2012 02:27 PM

If it was that easy and well paid, there would hardly be a cam girl in Eastern Europe or the Third World. They are there because those are the places the girls can live on $1,000 a month.

Barry-xlovecam 09-12-2012 02:28 PM

:) As an industry, we invented the 1 on 1 virtual sex experience -- that is a moment that cannot be stolen ... Think about it ;)

nikki99 09-12-2012 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SatansCandy (Post 19185124)
?Fornicators will suffer the vengeance of eternal fire? ? Jude 7

gimme a break

Robbie 09-12-2012 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyRandy (Post 19185103)
Interesting article on cams.

Yep, and the local politicians are starting to see that. And they are starting to bust people for doing cams out of their homes. :(

In towns where adult businesses are illegal (and there are LOTS of them that can't even have an adult book store) they are in a world of trouble.

In towns where adult businesses are legal....they are looking into zoning issues and treating ANY adult business that runs out of a home just like it was an adult book store (even if it's just a housewife turning on her webcam).

They already nailed some girls in L.A. and Vegas a few weeks ago for that. :(

HushMoney 09-12-2012 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19185582)
Yep, and the local politicians are starting to see that. And they are starting to bust people for doing cams out of their homes. :(

In towns where adult businesses are illegal (and there are LOTS of them that can't even have an adult book store) they are in a world of trouble.

In towns where adult businesses are legal....they are looking into zoning issues and treating ANY adult business that runs out of a home just like it was an adult book store (even if it's just a housewife turning on her webcam).

They already nailed some girls in L.A. and Vegas a few weeks ago for that. :(

most camsites allow the girls to block down to state, county and city. If the girls don't do that, well, that's just not smart.

Barry-xlovecam 09-12-2012 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19185546)
If it was that easy and well paid, there would hardly be a cam girl in Eastern Europe or the Third World. They are there because those are the places the girls can live on $1,000 a month.

You Funny

http://www.clickuntilyoulaugh.com/wp...is-a-MEME1.jpg


Quote:

(05:31:23 PM) Barry: hi u around?
(05:30:25 PM) USA Camgirl: ya
(05:30:29 PM) USA Camgirl: yes hi
(05:31:48 PM) Barry: i wanted to ask you first
(05:32:14 PM) Barry: remember how you told me you could get 6.99 a min?
(05:32:49 PM) Barry: could i post that part of our conversation publically
(05:33:00 PM) Barry: making your name 'camgil'
(05:33:09 PM) Barry: "camgirl
(05:33:15 PM) USA Camgirl: sure
(05:33:20 PM) USA Camgirl: where u goin post it thou>
(05:33:21 PM) USA Camgirl: but sure
(05:33:23 PM) USA Camgirl: go ahead
(05:33:32 PM) Barry: ok wanted to ask first
(05:33:39 PM) USA Camgirl: im currently charging 8.99
(05:33:40 PM) Barry: on GFY
(05:33:42 PM) USA Camgirl: on my main site
(05:33:46 PM) USA Camgirl: and they PAY!
(05:33:57 PM) Barry: no kidding
(05:34:02 PM) USA Camgirl: yep
(05:34:08 PM) USA Camgirl: even 11.99
(05:34:10 PM) USA Camgirl: i charged
(05:34:14 PM) USA Camgirl: and they paid
(05:34:15 PM) USA Camgirl: so ya
(05:34:32 PM) Barry: damn
(05:34:56 PM) Barry: you go girl ;)
Quote:

9/4/2012
Some confidential items omitted


(07:26:13 PM) Barry: hi
(07:26:21 PM) Barry: u working already
(07:27:25 PM) USA Camgirl: yes why
(07:27:16 PM) Barry: i wanted to ask when u do a skype show at xxxxx do you pay xxxx a % use their payment processing?
(07:52:06 PM) USA Camgirl: i dont do xxxxx anymore and I never did skype with xxxxx customers
(07:52:06 PM) USA Camgirl: bu
(07:52:07 PM) USA Camgirl: t
(07:52:12 PM) USA Camgirl: i know girls who did
(07:52:17 PM) USA Camgirl: and they make the guy pay separately
(07:52:23 PM) Barry: i though u did
(07:52:26 PM) Barry: ok
(07:52:38 PM) Barry: why did you leave xxxxx?
(07:52:50 PM) USA Camgirl: did not like it anymore
(07:52:57 PM) USA Camgirl: did not want to do free shows to compete
(07:53:05 PM) Barry: the circus atmosphere?
(07:53:09 PM) USA Camgirl: ya
(07:53:18 PM) Barry: ok i noted that
(07:53:31 PM) Barry: so are u still in the business?
(07:54:09 PM) Barry: where are you working now if you are?
(07:55:51 PM) Barry: and if you are still in the business why not with us -- i am not recruiting here but interested in how we are seen by models
(07:56:20 PM) USA Camgirl: ok whats ur site now? i know u tried to start a site a while back
(07:56:27 PM) Barry: in other words why not xlovecam
(07:56:30 PM) Barry: ok lol
(07:56:43 PM) Barry: i was but that is a long time ago
(07:57:23 PM) Barry: i am the vice president of sales for www.xlovecam.com
(07:57:34 PM) USA Camgirl: lo
(07:57:41 PM) USA Camgirl: thats the 1 site i dont work with:)
(07:57:43 PM) USA Camgirl: not that i dont want..
(07:57:45 PM) USA Camgirl: just dont
(07:57:45 PM) Barry: for all our 14 companies actually
(07:57:52 PM) USA Camgirl: :)
(07:58:01 PM) Barry: so we need to improve somehow?
(07:58:19 PM) USA Camgirl: well
(07:58:20 PM) Barry: any tips, i want the model's point of view
(07:58:27 PM) USA Camgirl: i dont work there..
(07:58:28 PM) USA Camgirl: but
(07:58:33 PM) USA Camgirl: i guess i could start?
(07:58:34 PM) USA Camgirl: :)
(07:58:44 PM) USA Camgirl: i know me... im a great model lol :>
(07:58:48 PM) USA Camgirl: u know me
(07:58:49 PM) USA Camgirl: i mean lol
(07:58:54 PM) Barry: well you got an inside track i guess lol
(08:00:19 PM) Barry: picking you brains a bit (forgive me)
(08:00:47 PM) USA Camgirl: well
(08:00:50 PM) USA Camgirl: i need to sign up
(08:00:51 PM) USA Camgirl: to tell
(08:00:52 PM) USA Camgirl: no?
(08:00:54 PM) USA Camgirl: i dont know..
(08:00:55 PM) Barry: anyway when u have time look at the model signup form
(08:00:55 PM) USA Camgirl: rght now
(08:01:01 PM) USA Camgirl: i do not have an account there
(08:01:05 PM) USA Camgirl: ok
(08:01:18 PM) USA Camgirl: what the %
(08:01:19 PM) Barry: let me know you unanswered questions
(08:01:23 PM) Barry: 50%
(08:01:26 PM) USA Camgirl: ok
(08:01:34 PM) USA Camgirl: any way I could get a bit more?
(08:01:47 PM) Barry: and 20% + if you refer your own customers]
(08:02:01 PM) USA Camgirl: whats the average price/min
(08:02:05 PM) USA Camgirl: models practice there
(08:02:27 PM) Barry: starting rate is 1.8?
(08:02:53 PM) Barry: that is about $2.30
(08:03:13 PM) Barry: 1.24? = $1 today
(08:03:18 PM) Barry: 1.25
(08:03:51 PM) Barry: but usa models can set their own prices still i think
(08:04:00 PM) Barry: $.99 to 3.99
(08:04:21 PM) Barry: special rate for new USA Customers
(08:04:50 PM) Barry: our customers are at the 1,8?
(08:05:07 PM) USA Camgirl: ok i will look into it
(08:05:09 PM) USA Camgirl: i promise
(08:05:10 PM) Barry: bit different
(08:05:32 PM) Barry: ok let me know what you think i could use the input
(08:05:43 PM) USA Camgirl: of course
(08:05:53 PM) Barry: let you work have a productive evening
(08:06:11 PM) Barry: laterz ;)
(08:09:09 PM) USA Camgirl: methods of payment?
(08:09:33 PM) Barry: free bank wire 2x a month
(08:09:54 PM) Barry: or we have our own ATM card if you want cash
(08:09:58 PM) USA Camgirl: whats that
(08:10:05 PM) USA Camgirl: i think I have 20 cards
(08:10:05 PM) Barry: XLC card
(08:10:10 PM) USA Camgirl: from various companies
(08:10:11 PM) USA Camgirl: lol
(08:10:11 PM) USA Camgirl: oh
(08:10:13 PM) USA Camgirl: i dont have that
(08:10:14 PM) USA Camgirl: :P
(08:10:16 PM) Barry: xxxxcard
(08:10:35 PM) Barry: that is the default payment method now
(08:10:53 PM) Barry: or free wire transfer
(08:11:25 PM) Barry: we want to be sure you get your money after the epassporte mess
(08:11:54 PM) Barry: i set this ATM card up for our payrolls
(08:12:11 PM) Barry: we are responsible to get you your money
(08:13:02 PM) USA Camgirl: oh great
(08:13:04 PM) USA Camgirl: cause
(08:13:09 PM) USA Camgirl: i dont want to use xxxxxx
(08:13:15 PM) USA Camgirl: or any of my previous cards
(08:13:17 PM) Barry: right
(08:13:20 PM) USA Camgirl: i;d want this separatelly
(08:13:25 PM) USA Camgirl: so this is great
(08:13:25 PM) USA Camgirl: but
(08:13:32 PM) USA Camgirl: my price will be much more
(08:13:36 PM) USA Camgirl: i now charge 8.99/min
(08:13:40 PM) USA Camgirl: and people PAY!
(08:13:41 PM) Barry: our card is issued by a bank that is regulated in the EU
(08:13:43 PM) USA Camgirl: ud be amazed
(08:14:14 PM) Barry: well 3.99 is our limit i think
(08:14:17 PM) USA Camgirl: noo
(08:14:22 PM) USA Camgirl: i need higher
(08:14:22 PM) Barry: 4,99 maybe
(08:14:24 PM) USA Camgirl: no lol
(08:14:30 PM) USA Camgirl: why limit me??
(08:14:31 PM) USA Camgirl: why
(08:14:39 PM) USA Camgirl: when i know people can pay more
(08:14:40 PM) USA Camgirl: thats silly
(08:14:57 PM) Barry: well we have limits and rules
(08:15:10 PM) Barry: i dont set the amounts
(08:15:31 PM) Barry: i can check the range
(08:15:43 PM) Barry: range log in as a model
(08:16:38 PM) USA Camgirl: ok
(08:16:41 PM) USA Camgirl: pls check
(08:17:48 PM) Barry: on model is max $4.99
(08:17:54 PM) USA Camgirl: :(
(08:17:55 PM) Barry: one
(08:18:24 PM) Barry: £2.99
(08:19:08 PM) USA Camgirl: k
(08:19:12 PM) USA Camgirl: i need a bit over 4.99
(08:19:18 PM) Barry: CHF 4.99
(08:19:18 PM) USA Camgirl: i know they will pay
(08:20:31 PM) USA Camgirl: u dont need to tell me u have a model form.. im doing this for 10 years.. i knoiw that lol
(08:20:44 PM) Barry: you know why then
(08:20:50 PM) USA Camgirl: ?
(08:21:00 PM) Barry: need to automate things
(08:21:08 PM) USA Camgirl: sure
(08:21:11 PM) Barry: bla bla ....
(08:21:35 PM) Barry: but we have kick ass HD available
(08:21:50 PM) Barry: if you have the bandwidth for it
(08:22:12 PM) Barry: need 300 - 500 kbs available
(08:22:19 PM) Barry: no splitcam
(08:22:32 PM) Barry: really rocks
(08:24:00 PM) Barry: and we are nice people :D
(08:24:57 PM) Barry: we have a new mobile too my English translations are not applied yet
(08:25:21 PM) Barry: http://mobile.xlovecam.com/
(08:25:40 PM) Barry: engerleesh looks a bit weird
(08:27:26 PM) USA Camgirl: I will take a look
(08:27:31 PM) USA Camgirl: u want me to sign up with ur link of something
(08:27:33 PM) USA Camgirl: so u get %>
(08:27:35 PM) USA Camgirl: ??
(08:27:47 PM) Barry: i am salaried

...omitted ...
(08:38:14 PM) Barry: TTYL GTG
(08:38:26 PM) USA Camgirl: bye
Plug in, its 2012 ... :upsidedow

StickyGreen 09-12-2012 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by London Banker (Post 19185127)
Sounds legit.

:1orglaugh

That probably is legit... yesterday I saw two hot lesbo chicks getting around $1,500 for a 10 minute show and they were doing a few of them throughout the day...

StickyGreen 09-12-2012 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19185546)
If it was that easy and well paid, there would hardly be a cam girl in Eastern Europe or the Third World. They are there because those are the places the girls can live on $1,000 a month.

That makes no fucking sense. :error

Barry-xlovecam 09-12-2012 03:39 PM

In all fairness $1,000/mo is very low but a girl in parts of Eastern Europe might only gross $2K or $4K and split the earnings with a studio -- some of them earn one hell of a lot more. If you look at the earnings of workers in Eastern Europe this is far above average.

But what people rarely understand is that some of the models who are from the USA, UK, France, Germany, or the Scandinavian countries speak that customer's language as a mother tongue. You should have their income :2 cents: I have seen the figures ...

@ Robbie; We broadcast from Amsterdam, and we are a Dutch corporation, the sender of the stream is a server of ours -- the models anonymity is protected by law in the EU also.


Jet Set Cat 09-12-2012 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19185582)
Yep, and the local politicians are starting to see that. And they are starting to bust people for doing cams out of their homes. :(

In towns where adult businesses are legal....they are looking into zoning issues and treating ANY adult business that runs out of a home just like it was an adult book store (even if it's just a housewife turning on her webcam).

They already nailed some girls in L.A. and Vegas a few weeks ago for that. :(

Very interesting, would you happen to have that article?

adultmobile 09-12-2012 04:06 PM

Barry from your log I figure you lost like an hour of your time to try signup an USA cam girl who wish to sell for $6 a minute or more, which your site not even supports as max $4.95 or so. Now I wonder is that any worth when there's hundred of girls who looks the same pretty and speaks the same English and are ok with whatever price per minute and if they don't say they're Romanian no one will guess they're not from USA?
Also about USA porn stars I know a few of them who could not make any money in cams even they're stars in movies, some made shows in cam sites because got some hundred dollars just to be there for advertising deals but made like $100 from the customers...

lazycash 09-12-2012 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alias (Post 19185116)
I wonder if Manwin can figure out a way to devalue cam sites so they can buy those too.

One of the first things they bought was webcams.com. I just hope they don't acquire streamate or myfreecams.

Barry-xlovecam 09-12-2012 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adultmobile (Post 19185745)
Barry from your log I figure you lost like an hour of your time to try signup an USA cam girl who wish to sell for $6 a minute or more, which your site not even supports as max $4.95 or so. Now I wonder is that any worth when there's hundred of girls who looks the same pretty and speaks the same English and are ok with whatever price per minute and if they don't say they're Romanian no one will guess they're not from USA?
Also about USA porn stars I know a few of them who could not make any money in cams even they're stars in movies, some made shows in cam sites because got some hundred dollars just to be there for advertising deals but made like $100 from the customers...

She has been a friend of mine for over 8 years now (professional acquaintance) -- I know a lot of camgirls -- she has been working this game a looong time ... 8 years if you read the convo I was just asking her for an opinion

Quote:

07:55:51 PM) Barry: and if you are still in the business why not with us -- i am not recruiting here but interested in how we are seen by models
That should illustrate the difference :2 cents:

helterskelter808 09-12-2012 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HushMoney (Post 19185590)
most camsites allow the girls to block down to state, county and city. If the girls don't do that, well, that's just not smart.

I would say the police should be smart enough to get around that, but it's the police. They probably aren't. Of course, it's a dead giveaway to where they are from.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19185689)
@ Robbie; We broadcast from Amsterdam, and we are a Dutch corporation, the sender of the stream is a server of ours -- the models anonymity is protected by law in the EU also.

Of course cam girls never give their info to customers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by adultmobile (Post 19185745)
Barry from your log I figure you lost like an hour of your time to try signup an USA cam girl who wish to sell for $6 a minute or more, which your site not even supports as max $4.95 or so. Now I wonder is that any worth when there's hundred of girls who looks the same pretty and speaks the same English and are ok with whatever price per minute and if they don't say they're Romanian no one will guess they're not from USA?

No-one who doesn't know what an American accent sounds like anyway.

WRT typed chats, as piss-poor as some Americans are at English, I doubt most have as poor command of the language, particular grammar, as people from Europe or the third world.

Finally, people like to have something to relate to. It's far easier for an American to relate to someone from their own country, likewise a Brit, Aussie, etc, than someone from a country and a culture they don't know anything about, other than that's where Dracula comes from.

Obviously they're more likely to spend time with, or repeatedly visit, the ones they can relate to or have something in common with. Personality is, if anything, more important than looks on cam.

Barry-xlovecam 09-12-2012 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19185816)



Of course cam girls never give their info to customers.



We do not release any information to anyone or any governmental authority without a Dutch Court order. Big Difference ...

helterskelter808 09-12-2012 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19185869)
We do not release any information to anyone or any governmental authority without a Dutch Court order. Big Difference ...

WTF would they need info from you for, if the cam girl has given the info herself?

Robbie 09-12-2012 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19185919)
WTF would they need info from you for, if the cam girl has given the info herself?

I think he means her real name and address. Cam girls don't give that out normally to the public

helterskelter808 09-12-2012 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19186047)
I think he means her real name and address. Cam girls don't give that out normally to the public

True. They might if they want to be paid outside of the cam site though, which many do.

I imagine if police are intent on busting a cam girl, they'll spend some time doing it, gaining her trust, and contacting/chatting to her outside the site.

Paul Markham 09-12-2012 11:27 PM

If that article was the average norm and not an above average girl. There would be a line of girls to be on webcam, including pornstars. Webcam sites wouldn't need to tout for affiliates. Or tout for me to open a studio in Czech, remember Barry?

Quote:

For those at the top, the rewards are incredible. A popular model on a large cam site can generate over $40,000 in a single month. There are multiple revenue streams for a cam star, including group chats, but for many the goal is to find a "whale," an online sugar daddy who might spend $20,000 a month on you or, even better, a member of "the platinum club" ? the high-net worth fans who spend more than $100,000 a year.
And the studio and affiliate get's how much?

This is the cherry girl on the top of the cake that's just made of bread. Girls earning $4,000 a month, which is by no means bad. But not what these people make out. Writing an article about the average girl doesn't sell newspapers or any other media.

What it does clearly show is the appeal of watching a a live girl and communicating with her. In a time where most people here who work 7/52 earn less because of the lack of innovation in online porn. It shows a way forward. Not a market flooded with girls and cam sites as we have them today. Think outside the box.

VenusBlogger 09-12-2012 11:34 PM

CAMS will save the adult industry?

You must be kidding... any webmaster I ask in ICQ has a hard time converting cams, but they do great with fetish paysites.

Only people that "CLAIM" to make bank with cams are on GFY...

Really wondering...

Mutt 09-12-2012 11:38 PM

a small % of cam girls can make 10K a month and up - probably are 50-100 of them on MFC, maybe 20-25 or so making 20K plus, and more could if they cammed at least a few times a week.

just like any other business cams are going to get saturated, already heard from some MFC girls that it's getting harder.

VenusBlogger 09-12-2012 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digitalfantasies (Post 19185243)
the article describes what I thought 4 years ago.... when I decided to promote cams. And I think the cam biz will keep growing and will remain stable, considering technology will only make the experience and interaction better and better


so.. too bad they don't convert

time to do some reverse engeneering on your domains to see what you are doing to convert cams. I will find out what you do, it cannot be rocket science after all...

:pimp

AllAboutCams 09-12-2012 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger (Post 19186304)
CAMS will save the adult industry?

You must be kidding... any webmaster I ask in ICQ has a hard time converting cams, but they do great with fetish paysites.

Only people that "CLAIM" to make bank with cams are on GFY...

Really wondering...

Have you tried chaturbate or crakrevenue

VenusBlogger 09-12-2012 11:42 PM

I wonder how much did AWE pays to be featured in those articles?

Pairioodid....

VenusBlogger 09-12-2012 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllAboutCams (Post 19186312)
Have you tried chaturbate or crakrevenue

During the last 3-4 years I tried these:

_webcams, cams.com, awempire, clickcash, mtree, some ccbill cam sites, and some others i cant remember..

in all conversions of 0:10,000 to 0:15,000...

What will crak or chaturbate have different?

Obviously im failing in some part, that you don't... and is the way you send traffic..

but nobody here shares anything, you all keep your SECRETS for your own... so I need to find out on my own doing reverse engenering...

peterk 09-12-2012 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digitalfantasies (Post 19185243)
the article describes what I thought 4 years ago.... when I decided to promote cams. And I think the cam biz will keep growing and will remain stable, considering technology will only make the experience and interaction better and better


so.. too bad they don't convert

is that why you over spent $1000 for a $5 cam domain?

peterk 09-12-2012 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19186047)
I think he means her real name and address. Cam girls don't give that out normally to the public

how they getting busted at home if they don't give out their private info? who would know which city they in much less which country?

peterk 09-12-2012 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger (Post 19186321)
During the last 3-4 years I tried these:

_webcams, cams.com, awempire, clickcash, mtree, some ccbill cam sites, and some others i cant remember..

in all conversions of 0:10,000 to 0:15,000...

What will crak or chaturbate have different?

Obviously im failing in some part, that you don't... and is the way you send traffic..

but nobody here shares anything, you all keep your SECRETS for your own... so I need to find out on my own doing reverse engenering...

I'll let you in on a little secret, your traffic sucks hippo balls.

Paul Markham 09-13-2012 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19185547)
:) As an industry, we invented the 1 on 1 virtual sex experience -- that is a moment that cannot be stolen ... Think about it ;)

Update of phone sex and peep shows.

we invented the 1 on 1 virtual sex experience :1orglaugh

Barry-xlovecam 09-13-2012 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19186356)
Update of phone sex and peep shows.

we invented the 1 on 1 virtual sex experience :1orglaugh

By we, I meant the cam industry collectively.

AC Webconnecting Holding, BV (us) originated in 1994 as a firm in the audiotex business in France and that subsidiary is still a registered French Telecom company -- FYI.

Barry-xlovecam 09-13-2012 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19186294)
If that article was the average norm and not an above average girl. There would be a line of girls to be on webcam, including pornstars. Webcam sites wouldn't need to tout for affiliates. Or tout for me to open a studio in Czech, remember Barry?

Too bad you didn't make the investment into live broadcasting with a cam studio it would have maybe paid off for you. I know a lot of people that have been quite successful in the business but we made the investment.

You know the old saying; "No balls no glory ;)"

Paul Markham 09-13-2012 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19186635)
Too bad you didn't make the investment into live broadcasting with a cam studio it would have maybe paid off for you. I know a lot of people that have been quite successful in the business but we made the investment.

You know the old saying; "No balls no glory ;)"

And I know people who went belly up after opening a webcam studio.

I might of looked at it if it was your money investing in it. I would manage from the top. It would need a serious sit down and discussion. I can find the location, girls, management and probably technical guys. Plus all the legal. Me invest the money as well as all that and be reliant on a webcam company to send buyers. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh


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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19186621)
By we, I meant the cam industry collectively.

AC Webconnecting Holding, BV (us) originated in 1994 as a firm in the audiotex business in France and that subsidiary is still a registered French Telecom company -- FYI.

Obviously live webcam, had to be done online. 1 - 1 sexual non touching experiences were going on long before 1994. I remember peep shows that would upgrade to a 1 - 1 show in a private booth from way back.

Your statement would be more like "We invented online HD videos."


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