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marcop 08-23-2012 07:52 PM

Lance Armstrong Drops Fight Against Doping Charges--will lose his 7 Tour de France titles
 
From the NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/24/sp...titles.html?hp

"His decision means he will almost certainly be stripped of his seven Tour titles, the bronze medal he won at the 2000 Olympics and all other titles, awards and money he won from August 1998 on. It also means he will be barred for life from competing, coaching or having any official role with any Olympic sport or other sport that follows the World Anti-Doping Code."

moeloubani 08-23-2012 08:09 PM

wow thats pretty crazy!

kane 08-23-2012 08:10 PM

I have always that the anti-doping groups have had witch hunt for him for years. He has never failed a drug test and from what I understand all of the evidence they have now against him is testimony of other riders who have tested positive (although I could be wrong about that).

Cycling is a European sport and they have despised the fact that the best rider in the word is an American so they have been after him for years. He likely was never going to compete on that level again so all he was going to do in defending himself is waste money on lawyers.

jimmy-3-way 08-23-2012 08:16 PM

Good job douche bag bureaucrat. You tarnished a hero.

Your family must be so proud.

JR_GraphicDesign 08-23-2012 08:30 PM

I only support performance impairing drugs!

Just Alex 08-23-2012 08:42 PM

Plea bargained. Why would you just stop "fighting".
He fought during his race, fought cancer and now he quits?
Or wait, he did quit on his girlfriend when she had brain tumor.

adendreams 08-23-2012 08:42 PM

Big fan of Lance but as all rabid cycling fans like me know.. he is guilty as hell - thus the desire to drop the fight

papill0n 08-23-2012 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Alex (Post 19142530)
Plea bargained. Why would you just stop "fighting".
He fought during his race, fought cancer and now he quits?
Or wait, he did quit on his girlfriend when she had brain tumor.

have a think about whats involved to win 7 tour de frances plus fight for your integrity at the same time

jimmy-3-way 08-23-2012 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adendreams (Post 19142532)
Big fan of Lance but as all rabid cycling fans like me know.. he is guilty as hell - thus the desire to drop the fight

Sure, but all the guys he was racing against were doping as well.

That makes that shit fair and square.

Theo 08-23-2012 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way (Post 19142535)
Sure, but all the guys he was racing against were doping as well.

That makes that shit fair and square.

It sets an example

Spunky 08-23-2012 10:55 PM

Damn,that's a kick in the sack,surprising he just dropped like that,if you're innocent you fight to the end

DWB 08-23-2012 11:38 PM

wow.

if he is innocent and gets stripped of those medals... that is some bs.

jimmy-3-way 08-23-2012 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVN Theo (Post 19142661)
It sets an example

Fuck your example.

HE set an example - there is no drug in the world that makes you Lance Armstrong.

v4 media 08-24-2012 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 19142503)
Cycling is a European sport and they have despised the fact that the best rider in the word is an American so they have been after him for years. He likely was never going to compete on that level again so all he was going to do in defending himself is waste money on lawyers.

It's the US doping agency that's going after him, and technically they cant strip him of his Tour de France wins.

kane 08-24-2012 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by v4 media (Post 19142735)
It's the US doping agency that's going after him, and technically they cant strip him of his Tour de France wins.

But it has been the European media and groups that have been after him for years.

JFK 08-24-2012 01:16 AM

not to take away from his accomplishments, but even his own team mates have accused him for years.:2 cents:

lazycash 08-24-2012 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 19142760)
But it has been the European media and groups that have been after him for years.

That's because the sport's biggest race takes place there and has more popularity. There's a ton more evidence against him other than just racers. I've maintained for years that he's guilty as hell and he used strong arm legal tactics to silence anyone who came out and revealed anything damning against him. When you have your maid, your friends, your ex girlfriend all come out and say they saw him shooting up before races, at some point there's enough smoke to suggest a fire. The doping testing is so far behind on the latest lab concocted epo formulas, that's its easy to test clean. How many of you think Barry Bonds never used, even though he never failed an mlb drug test.

onwebcam 08-24-2012 02:31 AM

I guess it's time to give up on the "live strong" bracelet. His "charity" only has to pay out 10% of what it takes in on the preferred scam. He's been at it for years so in reality I'm sure him and his children and maybe even their children will be quite comfortable without the titles.

jimmy-3-way 08-24-2012 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFK (Post 19142785)
not to take away from his accomplishments, but even his own team mates have accused him for years.:2 cents:

There is nothing you can say that will take a thing away from his accomplishments. At age 21 he was World Champion, yet some magic drug made that happen?

As far as I'm concerned Lancer could be taking coke, oxy, shark piss and vampire blood and he's still one of the greatest of all time.

kane 08-24-2012 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 19142832)
That's because the sport's biggest race takes place there and has more popularity. There's a ton more evidence against him other than just racers. I've maintained for years that he's guilty as hell and he used strong arm legal tactics to silence anyone who came out and revealed anything damning against him. When you have your maid, your friends, your ex girlfriend all come out and say they saw him shooting up before races, at some point there's enough smoke to suggest a fire. The doping testing is so far behind on the latest lab concocted epo formulas, that's its easy to test clean. How many of you think Barry Bonds never used, even though he never failed an mlb drug test.

I'm 100% sure Barry Bonds doped. I am not saying Lance hasn't. I admit that I have only followed this casually so I only know what I have seen in the big stories. One of those stories that I saw/read from a few years back talked about how there were several media outlets in Europe that were on a mission to take him down because they didn't like the brash Texan kicking their asses at their sport.

Maybe he was doping all along. I guess I wonder why it matters now. He is retired and no longer competing. I can see if he announced he was going to comeback and run the race again, but that isn't happening. Will the retroactively give the wins to whoever it was that finished in 2nd place all those years?

The whole thing just sounds kind of crazy.

jimmy-3-way 08-24-2012 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 19142837)
...without the titles.

He won those races, no matter how you want to re-legislate history, he beat the world's best on the road.

onwebcam 08-24-2012 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way (Post 19142845)
He won those races, no matter how you want to re-legislate history, he beat the world's best on the road.

Personally I don't give a fuck. I've rode bikes, motorized and non for a long time and I've never really gave a fuck about him. But I do know enough that he could have very well been doping and never got caught. If he was and whether you consider that fair is up to you and well... I guess the people who taketh away.

jimmy-3-way 08-24-2012 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 19142870)
Personally I don't give a fuck. I've rode bikes, motorized and non for a long time. I've never really gave a fuck about him. But I do know enough that he could have very well been doping and never got caught. Whether you consider that fair is up to you.

Cycling has had chemical influence since they attached one wheel to another wheel.

No real fan gives a shit. In the 90's it was EPO, at the turn of the century it was frogs filling their water bottles with cognac.

The Tour is a month of racing across 2100 miles, in the middle of the summer. No drug makes you win that. "Doping" in the tour is like sharpening a razor blade. I said it above, and it's true: no drug can make you Lance Armstrong.

seeandsee 08-24-2012 03:45 AM

he had some good chemicals they now can find in their blood taken years ago

lazycash 08-24-2012 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way (Post 19142840)
There is nothing you can say that will take a thing away from his accomplishments. At age 21 he was World Champion, yet some magic drug made that happen?

As far as I'm concerned Lancer could be taking coke, oxy, shark piss and vampire blood and he's still one of the greatest of all time.

I'm actually tempted to agree with you. I've gone back and forth, but part of me feels that performance enhancing drugs in all sports should be made legal and they should just stop all of the testing. The average person can go out and get a prescription for testosterone or HGH, but yet the best athletes in the world are told they can't take any. If all of it was legal, then all of the athletes would still be on a level playing field.

Matyko 08-24-2012 04:33 AM

:( This is not making any good for us bicycle fans / scene ... :(

OY 08-24-2012 05:55 AM

The NEW TDF winners:

1999 - Alex Zulle
2000 - Jan Ullrich
2001 - Jan Ullrich
2002 - Joseba Beloki
2003 - Jan Ullrich
2004 - Andreas Klöden
2005 - Ivan Basso

Which means that Jan Ullrich is one of the most winning ever in TDF :upsidedow

MaDalton 08-24-2012 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OY (Post 19143025)
The NEW TDF winners:

1999 - Alex Zulle
2000 - Jan Ullrich
2001 - Jan Ullrich
2002 - Joseba Beloki
2003 - Jan Ullrich
2004 - Andreas Klöden
2005 - Ivan Basso

Which means that Jan Ullrich is one of the most winning ever in TDF :upsidedow

Jan Ulrich has been sentenced for doping already, i doubt that will happen

and i know Lance Armstrong is some kind of hero for many - but none of the top drivers over the last 20 years was clean - some just were not caught

TurboAngel 08-24-2012 06:07 AM

If your guilty you give up if your innocent you fight like hell.

PR_Glen 08-24-2012 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TurboAngel (Post 19143051)
If your guilty you give up if your innocent you fight like hell.

even if you go broke doing it? i don't think so..

they need to drop it, with nothing but circumstantial evidence this is nothing more than roger clemens all over again and that was a complete waste of time that proved nothing in the end.

Freaky_Akula 08-24-2012 07:32 AM

They all doped.

Tom_PM 08-24-2012 07:37 AM

I just can't muster up any outrage about it.
So heres...

http://www.faithmouse.com/oprah-winfrey-pancake.jpg

RebelR 08-24-2012 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 19143147)
I just can't muster up any outrage about it.
So heres...

http://www.faithmouse.com/oprah-winfrey-pancake.jpg

I really don't think that the pancake would have survived long enough around Oprah, to make it to the top of her head.

u-Bob 08-24-2012 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19143037)
and i know Lance Armstrong is some kind of hero for many - but none of the top drivers over the last 20 years was clean - some just were not caught

q f t

Rochard 08-24-2012 08:24 AM

I haven't been following this too closely but I read a news report this morning that claimed they had dozens of people willing to testify...

Quote:

But even without a positive test, the antidoping agency appeared set to move forward with arbitration. It claimed to have more than 10 eyewitnesses who would testify that Armstrong used banned blood transfusions, the blood booster EPO, testosterone and other drugs to win the Tour. Some of Armstrong?s closest teammates, including George Hincapie ? one of the most respected American riders ? were also expected to testify against him.
(source: NY Times)

Makes me wonder what's really going on.

lazycash 08-24-2012 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 19143132)
even if you go broke doing it? i don't think so..

they need to drop it, with nothing but circumstantial evidence this is nothing more than roger clemens all over again and that was a complete waste of time that proved nothing in the end.

Multiple first hand witnesses are beyond circumstantial.

Choopa Phil 08-24-2012 08:50 AM

So funny how you guys think you just stick a needle in your body and it magically goes to work. Brb lance injecting right before a race...PLEASE GO

Just Alex 08-24-2012 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by papill0n (Post 19142534)
have a think about whats involved to win 7 tour de frances plus fight for your integrity at the same time

I still don't see how you just quit. There has to be reasons.
Good write-up here

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/lance-a...nnocence-.html

Quote:

In the end, Lance Armstrong quit. And no matter how fiercely he writes his statements or fires rockets on Twitter or demands we continue to buy into the fantasy that in a world of doping cyclists he alone was clean and rode faster and stronger, he still quit on Thursday night.

PR_Glen 08-24-2012 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 19143253)
Multiple first hand witnesses are beyond circumstantial.

multiple first hand witnesses witnessing what exactly? Was he saying "here is my steroids! I'm going to be injecting them now!" or did they see him take some b12 shots and assume the worst?

circumstantial evidence is exactly that.. look it up..

Mutt 08-24-2012 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 19143308)
multiple first hand witnesses witnessing what exactly? Was he saying "here is my steroids! I'm going to be injecting them now!" or did they see him take some b12 shots and assume the worst?

circumstantial evidence is exactly that.. look it up..

how do you know the evidence is only circumstantial? and enough circumstancial evidence can be enough for a guilty verdict.

nobody is saying Lance Armstrong isn't the greatest cyclist ever, the same as nobody is saying Barry Bonds might not be the greatest baseball player ever and Roger Clemens not one of the best pitchers ever. I think Ben Johnson is the greatest 100 meter sprinter ever, he destroyed the world record. Usain Bolt is on something no doubt, he just hasn't got caught.

it's a tough call, the chemists are always going to be one or five steps ahead of the drug testing, so it seems the answer is to just let athletes take whatever they want. The moral dilemma is that there are kids out there who want to be the best and some with the talent and drive to be the best, you'd be telling them that to win the gold and make millions there's only one way - and that's taking performance enhancing drugs and many of them are potentially very dangerous, where's FloJo these days - dead from cancer.

Lance Armstrong without doping would not have won what he did competing against those who were doping. But if the playing field had been completely drug free it seems most believe he'd have been the best.


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