in America are you allowed to videotape cops when they pull you over?
 

like these guys do in Ukraine, are you allowed to put a video camera pointed at the cop and openly videotape in America when they pull you over?



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By law, the answer to this question varies, state by state.

As a matter of what the U.S. Dept of Justice (a federal entity) thinks, the DOJ weighed in just about a week ago to say that the First Amendment does, in fact, ensure that citizens have such a right, at least when the police are conducting their actions in public.

When the police conduct is taking place outside of public view, it becomes a more complicated question.

Also, good luck finding a cop who knows the laws of the state he works in. You may find your camera taken and destroyed even if you were 100% in the right.

Then use wireless cam and store in a "safe memory place" inside car, later you can use it on court even if they destroy cam...

I'm thinking that it's going to be hard to sell to a police officer who doesn't want to be videotaped that "hey it's my right".. You could be as right as rain but someone else has the baton, the tazer, the gun, and the sense of superiority to convince you otherwise.

inside a vehicle is private property... even if it is on public roads. That is why they cannot search your vehicle without your permission.

So, yes, you can film from inside your car.

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Cops know about as much about the law as my dog knows about physics. Actually, my dog knows a LOT about physics - just don't ask him to take a written test.

They love putting on a performance in front of their own dashcam, would be hypocritical to object.

You can video legally, but there are some cops that are just ignorant asshats. Best bet is to get the www.Qik.com app on your phone, then stream the video to the internet. That way, even if they do destroy or take your phone, they can't touch the video, and video showing them doing that kind of illegal strong arming makes for good court room drama....



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of course you can..

http://www.mindcrap.com/index/video/...ty-compilation

My friend just went to court today on multiple claimed traffic violations. He rides a motorcycle in a small town and the cops are always harassing him. He now rides around with a cam on his helmet. He videoed his last harassment stop where there were around 5-6 cops involved including the sheriff and Highway Patrol. The judge watched the video and tossed everything out. The cops always seem to "lose" their video's so judges actually love it when an "offender" brings one in.

Oddly enough - to avoid the need to videotape police officers - obey the laws and don't give them excuse to pull you over.

In an age of rampant stupidity that escalates geometrically on a daily basis - it's a novel approach many should try.

Yeah because we all know the cops are always in the right. The perfect citizens. They wouldn't pull anyone over without probable cause.

Are you aware that the lights on a police car are intended for emergencies only? Since when is a rolling stop an emergency?

Hell no they won't let you do that. It may or may not be legal from state to state...but here in the "free" United States of America, the govt. has given our cops complete control over us.

If a cop pulls you over and you question him...you're in trouble. If you "lie" to a cop you can be arrested! If you use naughty words...arrested.
They can search you and your car. If you don't OBEY every word they say...they can arrest you.
And if you took a video camera and started filming them? They will tell you to stop. If you don't...then you just broke the law that says you have to OBEY them.

It's no wonder that so many cops are beating people and killing people. They have way too much power.

Even back in the 1980's I stood and argued (loudly and with many curse words) with cops down in Miami and Ft. Lauderdale (where I lived at that time).
These days? I wouldn't dream of arguing with a cop. They will fuck you up.

It's total bullshit. And the cops here need to have some of their power reigned in.

Hide the camera. Problem solved.

Point to where I said cops were "perfect citizens".

They aren't. No one's saying that here.

I'm saying if you obey the laws you greatly diminish the chance of being pulled over.

"Intended"?

Is this based on your vast knowledge of policing and law enforcement?

Really? So cops can't use them to attract attention during road closures, parades and a host of other functions and reasons they need them for?

As a bylaw enforcement supervisor - I work with cops on a daily basis. I'm willing to wager they'd give you prompt contradiction.

I'm lost as to your attempted point here.

In 47 years I've only been pulled over for traffic stops on legit reasons. Guess I must be lucky.

You know its not always that cut and dry, you're smarter than that.

Again...we're not talking absolutes here.

Yes, there are exceptions...no denying that.

I'm saying the vast majority of the time - if you're obeying the law and not giving them reason to pull you over...they generally won't.

As for videotaping officers during a traffic stop - the video footage can easily be post-edited later with omissions to alter the context and reality of the incident. We see examples of that on YouTube all the time - footage that is selectively edited and/or taken out of context to intentionally make law enforcement look like the bad guys.

in IL you cant...

I don't believe that is correct any more.

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Until recently, we understood that the whole friggin point of the first admendment was so the citizens could keep on eye on, and publicly discuss, government officials such as cops.

In the last few years, many people have been arrested for videotaping cops and courts have upheld convictions. I think it's part of a larger phenomenon of people forgetting who works for who, who is supposed to be in charge here. Government employees are supposed to work for the citizens, not the other way around. I think we forget that when we support government leaders who say they'll give us stuff. That implies that it's the government's stuff to "give". Thing is, we made it or earned it - it's OUR stuff. Government can't give us stuff, they can only take our stuff because it's OUR stuff. I try to keep that in mind, that any politician who proposes to give me stuff must have it backwards and think the politicians are in charge, not the people.

Oh gawd, I love that....thanks for the link:thumbsup

I mentioned before how I was shooting photos of a model for one of my sites and recorded the police officers roll up on us. They confiscated my vehicle and saw me recording them and confiscated my cameras as well. Laughed at me when I told them I've been earning my living solely from shooting porn for my websites over the past 2 years. https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1066...light=foulfowl

http://foulfowl.net/pulledover1018.jpg

Here's just one of the many other times I was pulled over for DWB and let go. Bottomline is I record everything. I have an attorney handling the first situation and some media has started contacting me. http://foulfowl.net/pulledover1018.wmv

did the cops say anything specifically about you recording them? or was it just that they confiscated the cameras due to the porn?

I record the Border Patrol all the time. They ignore it, hide or say please don't record my face and so I don't.

http://foulfowl.net/theblog/knocked2012d.jpg The assholes didn't tell me why they were taking my cameras. My porn isn't illegal. They really fucked up by fuckin' with me. I'm not letting this shit go. Been trying to reach Jesse & Al or Gloria. Watch for me in the news. Same shit happen to me in Miami but the cops there understood what the deal was when I showed them my websites on my cellphone. They were asking for free passwords and let me go. http://foulfowl.com/stopped.wmv
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http://foulfowl.com/eleven10.wmv

Yeah, never question authority, accept the state, accept big brother, they're in the right because they have black uniforms, submit to them, etc...

Awesome pawn you've become.

Well that explains a lot....

"bylaw enforcement supervisor"

We call them anal retentives over here.

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Filming the cops is one of the only things we can do. Get good at slipping the data cards out of your camera when they roll up, confiscating cameras is just one more way they flex muscles.

who cares if its legal or not, you really want to go around pointing shit at cops? I would suspect it would be bad for ones health...

That is sad and funny at the same time :Oh crap

the point of the thread is about recording the police when they pull you over, by putting a camera in plain view on the dash pointed at the window

If one is going to install cameras in their car for the purpose of recording traffic stops, install two! One that's clearly visible and another that's hidden aimed at the first. And of course both cameras should be auto-uploading to the net for extra security.

None of that will stop an officer from arresting someone / seizing the cameras, but will make taking legal action much easier - in particular, suing the department.

To digress a bit, many people don't realize the police officers personally often have legal immunity, including civil lawsuits for actions that occur in the course of doing their job (that can even include off-duty in some instances) - so trying to get an officer arrested / fired will likely be an exercise in futility. Something to keep in mind when determining how far to push the envelope - expect monetary damages from the department at best.

I don't think so...

I swear I can't go a week without reading an article about one or more Broward cops getting in trouble. Last week it was one arrested for witness tampering to protect another officer.