THIS is what OccupyWallStreet is about... not what Fox News says it's about
 

Good video :thumbsup

great video

Its sure spreading across the US now its coming over here to the UK as well http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news...ead-to-britain

they better be careful.

I recall an entire war started with just 1 single shot.

Not being funny but maybe thats what we need across the world, a population cull

The Tea Party should be joining with this movement rather than criticizing it.

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I think the cull should start at the top!

SuckOnThis...does that chart take into consideration what people are making these days?

I'm not sure it's telling the whole story. :) At least what I've seen with my own two eyes in my lifetime, people were making a lot more money and had much nicer homes and possessions over the last few decades (especially the 1990's and most of the 2000's until the crash).

I guess what I'm trying to say is...if most people were doing better and making pretty good money through the 80's, 90's and 2000's...but rich people made even MORE than they used to as well....then the rich's money grew exponentially (look how the stock market grew for instance since 1980).
So that chart would look like everybody in the U.S. was dirt poor except for a few rich folks.

But that isn't what happened. The 80's, 90's, and 2000's (up until 2008) were huge money making decades for everybody that had a bit of intelligence and work ethic.

I have a feeling that a lot of the people protesting on Wall Street now are the same people who were enriched either directly or indirectly the previous 30 years (which is why they weren't protesting then)

Not saying that they don't have reasons to protest. Just saying that "yes" it makes sense that during 3 decades of economic growth like never before in history...it doesn't surprise me that the "rich" people who had the money to invest and make the economic wheels turn would profit exponentially over "middle class" people who were making $50,000 a year salaries and buying their new car and paying the mortgage with only modest investments.

EDIT: I notice that chart doesn't show the salaries on the left hand side. lol I'd like to see that listed in 2011 dollars

Douche Bag Cantor then...



https://youtube.com/watch?v=sQ9XzWyTR7Q

Douche Bag Cantor now...



https://youtube.com/watch?v=_vNZeLKy-jg

Wake up to the hypocrisy!

+1
If they move a little to the center they will fit in, but that won't happen. Tea Partiers are senior citizens and dumb rednecks out to protest the death of modern conservatism in general. The seriousness of the OWS movement is also too intimidating for them. Tea Partiers like to sit in a park with their bingo pals waving little flags.

Aren't you painting with a big brush there? I doubt very seriously that every Tea Party person is an old person and/or a dumb redneck. Just like I doubt that every person in the OWS is "serious"

My guess is that both movements have a handful of leaders...and a LOT of sheep.

all this is going to do is piss off the super rich and they will punch the other 99% even more.

reinstall Glass–Steagall .... fuck their talking points and demands are retarded. who is coming up with this shit? like joe midwest will be inspired by that?

how about "jail the bankers?"

"jail the politicians who gave billions to them?"

"debt and forclosure relief now?"

Excellent video !

god damn hippies

audit the fed? reverse 8-205?

fucking lol ... people are supposed to rally around that? terrible fucking video and exactly what is wrong with the protests.

problems: jobs, crushing debt, corporate and political criminality

that shit is mere details to be worked out later. who will be motivated by that?

Excellent video! I've posted this to one of my FB profiles, should get mega hits soon ;)



Then find the answer yourself and post it.

If you read the little writing under the chart you'd know.

Not a good defense to say "find me more information" :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

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A nice FB group, for those who hate the baggers...

http://www.facebook.com/groups/150314231715511/

No, it just says in "2007 dollars" It doesn't give the actual income of all those groups.
And I wasn't looking to defend anything. Just pointing out that stats and graphs can be skewed to make things look "worse" or "better" than they really are.

I do know that the 80's, 90's, and 2000's were decades of prosperity in the U.S. that are unparalleled in history. That's what I was pointing out. That chart does not show the whole truth.

Most working people with real jobs were making a living better than ever before for the last 30 years. Unemployment was low. The dollar had many years that it was pretty damn strong too.

This country had a helluva run. And as I said...people that made a great salary were able to buy nice cars and homes and even invest just a bit. But nothing on the scale of the people who PAID them.
Those people had a lot more income to invest over the last few decades. And that money has grown exponentially.

Of course...another thing those charts don't show...is the fact that those "rich" people LOST trillions of dollars when the market and world economy took a dive. Not saying that it bankrupted them. Just saying that all of the wealthy people who had a lot of money invested in the stock market, took a pretty hard beating. Yeah, they're still rich (if they were smart). But what's wrong with that?

Please post links to that data thank you

Good video. Seems like Twitter is good for communication for large groups.

I have a feeling most of those people who have the nice houses and cars and toys got them on credit not because they made a lot of money. According to Wikipedia the average household income in america grew $7,500 per year between 1980 and 2008. $5K of that came during the Clinton years.

I won't argue that we had a good run. We did. But we also saw credit become so easy to get that people started abusing it and relying on it. We also saw mortgages and auto loans as well as many other versions of credit extend their payback times.

When I was a kid my mom bought the house I grew up in. She paid $33K for it. It was a four bedroom (although the 4th room was tiny) and she had to jump through a ton of hoops to show she brought home enough money to make the payments etc. Her mortgage was for 20 years. It wasn't too long ago that many mortgages were for 15 years. My mom bought that house in 1981. In 1996 she sold it for $65K. In 2007 it sold again for almost $300K. The reason is that all around it these bigger nicer houses were built and it jacked the price of the house up. Banks realized that if they extended mortgages out to 30 years they could sell people bigger, nicer, more expensive houses. The The same with cars. A person can't afford a $40K car in a 2 year loan, but they can on a 5 year.

So I think a lot of people did get a lot of nice stuff, but they only have it because of credit, not increased income.

Average income takes into account EVERYBODY in the country.
And it doesn't take into account different costs of living.

I lived in Fla. throughout the 1980's and lived like a king on $500 a week playing in bands.

I lived in South Carolina and Georgia through the 90's up until 2008 and lived like a oil sultan. lol

But I bet if I'd lived in New York City I wouldn't have.

I'm in total agreement with you on the costs of things. But it isn't just "nice houses" and "nice cars" that require bank loans these days...it's ALL cars and houses. :(

The first house I lived in as a child was 5 bedrooms/3 baths on a half acre of land in central Florida in the 1960's. It was $12,000 and my dad bought it outright. No bank loan.

Our first "fancy" car was a 1972 Delta Royal 88 Oldsmobile. My dad paid for that in cash too...it was a little over $5,000 and everybody in our town thought we were out of our minds for paying that much.

It almost seems like you can't buy ANYTHING these days without taking out a loan. You can't go to the doctor without insurance. Hell, I even see on the bottom of my energy bill that they have a way for people to set up PAYMENTS!!! WTF? You have to pay it every month already! lol

@Robbie, that is way how it should be IMO

call me old-fashion, but I don't have credit... I pay for what I buy...and I pay direct

The problem with OccupyWallStreet is they don't have a focus.. TBH OccupyWallStreet & the Tea Baggers kinda want the same thing but they allow their self's to be pandered to and divided by Right & Left.

If both groups ditch the whole I hate Liberals or I hate Conservatives bullshit and focused on the big issues as 1 group which is US citizens, then maybe they could be something more than crying meat puppets.

If both groups focused on the single issue of big money business running our govt via lobbyist then maybe this country would get somewhere. Instead both groups will end up just being divided and played by both the Right & Left and will end up being nothing more than a group politicians pander to during elections like Soccer moms or Nascar dads.

So far I have yet to see many pro-Obama or pro-Democrat signs dominating the OWS movement. In fact, I haven't seen any, so far.

The preconceived notion that the OWS movement is a leftist counter to the CLEARLY right wing, anti-Obama sign waving Teatard Group, is only perpetuated by the media's talking heads... at least so far.

Once FOX and Fools, along with the right-wing-radio-retards push this story hard enough, and pit the GOP against the OWS movement, it will become what they say it is - organically, or via provocateurs.

I agree.
But one thing I don't believe is that "Big Money" owns the govt.

I think it's the other way. If you've ever tried to run a business then you know exactly what I'm talking about.

From the moment you try to get a new biz started...every facet of govt. has their hand out. And God help you if it's a bar. Then you not only are going to be paying all the licenses, fees, etc. but you will also be greasing the palm of the local sheriff and police chief too.

No, in my opinion the govt. has become a big con game and money grab.

IF the govt. did not play the "Pay me and I'll give you special status" game...then it would NOT happen.

I see it like this: A lot of rules and regs that govt. sets up to restrict business are DESIGNED to get the businesses to come with their wallets open in order to DO business.

And I don't blame a big corporation or any size business for doing what it needs to do to be successful.

I DO blame the politicians.

Last time I checked nobody voted for a big corporation to be a Senator or Congressman.

Those are the crooks. None of the "big business runs govt." theory could work if the politicians were not crooked to begin with.

VOTE THEM ALL OUT EVERY TERM if you want this to stop.

Alot of them are Ron Paul supporters actually...

I was watching a comedian the other day...can't remember which one it was. And he said that when you watch Ron Paul say shit, it sounds crazy. But if you read what he said, then it makes sense. :1orglaugh

I tend to agree with that. He doesn't deliver the message real well, but a LOT of what he says makes sense to me.

Fox is a joke, most of America knows it :2 cents:

Why does everybody make such broad statements?

The reality is that the majority of Americans who watch cable news watch Fox News.

I don't know if that means there are now more Americans who are "conservative" or if it just means that more "conservative" Americans watch cable news than do "liberal" Americans.

But I do know that I watch Fox News late at night because I LOVE the show "Red Eye" with Greg Guttfield. That shit is great!

For news, I can watch either Fox or CNN for the news updates on the half hour. Everything else on either channel is biased and opinion based. And MSNBC doesn't even seem to try and just report the news anymore. They just shill for the Democrats and openly hate on Republicans.

But pretty much Fox and CNN give you straight news every half hour...though both do bias that a bit sometimes when they choose WHAT to report and what to ignore. :)

I get all of my REAL news information from my magic 8 ball, because I'm not crazy...

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Right wingers are paranoid

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Dude has tube traffic numbers

There is a major difference in "Big Business" verses just being a person trying to start a business.

When I said Big Money Business I'm talking about corporate giants such as the Oil, Pharmaceutical, Insurance, Defense contracting industries, ect..ect. Pretty much any industry that is big enough to pay for large amounts of lobbying power.

We can add special interest groups into that mix as well.

The point being it's these groups and their lobbyist are what run this country and that's what "both" the tea baggers & OWS are pissed about. Both groups specially the tea baggers should toss out hate bullshit and work together on the 1 common goal which should be to end the money coming from big business & special interest.

It doesn't matter if one side is conservative or liberal.. The common goal should be to end the lobbying bull shit which is essentially legal bribes IMHO. That is what has ruined this county. Both these groups should stop being meat puppets and act on the real issue together. (granted at this point tea baggeers are the bigger meat puppet but soon enough the OWS will being gobbled up by the left and both will just end up meat puppets for either side)

This "Occupy" movement is dumb. It's a bunch of unemployed college kids who have never really had a real job who want what they believe is owed to them. What they don't understand is that they are getting exactly what is owed them - nothing.

This chart is completely misleading.

It's comparing the top 1% from 1980-2007 to the top 20% from 1947-1979. If you compare the top 20% from 1980-2007 to the top 1% from 1947-1979, you would see the direct opposite.

It makes it look like everyone benefited evenly "then" and now only the rich benefit.

I get all my shit info from Fox too!

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