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sperbonzo 03-17-2011 07:26 AM

Tim Geithner may have just killed the US Dollar...
 
I'm totally speechless..... :Oh crap

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/e...s-markets.html

"US Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner shocked global markets by revealing that Washington is "quite open" to Chinese proposals for the gradual development of a global reserve currency run by the International Monetary Fund.

The dollar plunged instantly against the euro, yen, and sterling as the comments flashed across trading screens. David Bloom, currency chief at HSBC, said the apparent policy shift amounts to an earthquake in geo-finance.

"The mere fact that the US Treasury Secretary is even entertaining thoughts that the dollar may cease being the anchor of the global monetary system has caused consternation," he said.

Mr Geithner later qualified his remarks, insisting that the dollar would remain the "world's dominant reserve currency ... for a long period of time" but the seeds of doubt have been sown. "

12clicks 03-17-2011 07:30 AM

this administration can't be booted out of office fast enough.
They've got the idiot rabble worried about whart their betters are paying in taxes when shit like this effects them much more and they're completely unaware as they cheer them on.

BlackCrayon 03-17-2011 07:32 AM

I don't know much about this stuff really but wouldn't this be a bad move for china? China, being a country that relies on its currency being valued so low you would think they would want to keep a currency that they can constantly devalue.

nation-x 03-17-2011 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17985769)
this administration can't be booted out of office fast enough.
They've got the idiot rabble worried about whart their betters are paying in taxes when shit like this effects them much more and they're completely unaware as they cheer them on.

This is a much larger scheme than just this administration. Since you are smart and uber rich I had assumed you knew that. :2 cents:

12clicks 03-17-2011 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 17985777)
This is a much larger scheme than just this administration. Since you are smart and uber rich I had assumed you knew that. :2 cents:

you're right. so let me dumb it down for you.
the larger scheme you have no clue about can't be accomplished without the US.
you, in your continued idiocy, voted for the administration thats rapidly undoing our country.
now go back, sit down, and let the adults talk.

BlackCrayon 03-17-2011 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17985785)
you're right. so let me dumb it down for you.
the larger scheme you have no clue about can't be accomplished without the US.
you, in your continued idiocy, voted for the administration thats rapidly undoing our country.
now go back, sit down, and let the adults talk.

you really think any other administration would do things differently? the only difference probably would of been this wouldn't be said publicaly. no matter who is in office, the fact is china owns a lot of the debt so you can't just piss away what they want.

pornrecon 03-17-2011 07:39 AM

Geithner is an idiot. This really does play right into all the conspiracy theories you read...

Shap 03-17-2011 07:42 AM

That article is from 2009 are you stuck in the past and being shocked and blown away by old news? LOL

sperbonzo 03-17-2011 07:42 AM

I have to agree that both parties are equally to blame at this point. I'm a Constitutional Libertarian, and although I TEND to agree more with fiscally conservative Republicans, than I do the Democrats, they are both F*%#@ed up in my humble opinion. Things have certainly sped up over the last couple of years, but the seeds were sown a long time ago.


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12clicks 03-17-2011 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 17985790)
you really think any other administration would do things differently? the only difference probably would of been this wouldn't be said publicaly. no matter who is in office, the fact is china owns a lot of the debt so you can't just piss away what they want.

china is NOT the biggest holder of our debt.
The US is the largest purchaser country in the world.
ever hear the term "the customer is always right"?>
we're the customer, WE make the rules.
This administration has forgotten that.
and NO, a different administration wouldn't do this. not a conservative one anyway.

pinkeyedjim 03-17-2011 07:44 AM

I thought the US Dollar has long been dead.

nation-x 03-17-2011 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17985785)
you're right. so let me dumb it down for you.
the larger scheme you have no clue about can't be accomplished without the US.
you, in your continued idiocy, voted for the administration thats rapidly undoing our country.
now go back, sit down, and let the adults talk.

You are indeed correct that I voted for Obama... however, it wouldn't matter who I voted for because they are all in the pockets of the global financial services industry. Republicans are even worse than the Obama Administration... but you can continue to bury your head up your ass looking for gold all you want... your continued support for corporate corruption is noted. I won't try to bother you with historical details because you would ignore them anyway...

czarina 03-17-2011 07:45 AM

jesus H christ, that moron should be shot for treason

dyna mo 03-17-2011 07:46 AM

fyi brainiacs: Article By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard 6:05PM GMT 25 Mar 2009

BlackCrayon 03-17-2011 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 17985799)
That article is from 2009 are you stuck in the past and being shocked and blown away by old news? LOL

lol superbozo, you moron. why are you posting 2 year old articles? so what effect did it have, oh nothing i guess..

nation-x 03-17-2011 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17985803)
china is NOT the biggest holder of our debt.
The US is the largest purchaser country in the world.
ever hear the term "the customer is always right"?>
we're the customer, WE make the rules.
This administration has forgotten that.
and NO, a different administration wouldn't do this. not a conservative one anyway.

Bullshit... This started with Don Regan... but I digress.

pornguy 03-17-2011 07:48 AM

How odd. Dollar is up against the Mexican peso and it seems the Euro as well.

And the stock market is up more than 100 points.

Shap 03-17-2011 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 17985822)
How odd. Dollar is up against the Mexican peso and it seems the Euro as well.

And the stock market is up more than 100 points.

It's a 2 year old article LOL Someone is living in the past

Shap 03-17-2011 07:49 AM

While you are in 2009 can you do something about tubes? Thanks. You'll be the biggest rockstar when you get to 2011 if you do.

nation-x 03-17-2011 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 17985827)
While you are in 2009 can you do something about tubes? Thanks. You'll be the biggest rockstar when you get to 2011 if you do.

12clicks and sperbonzo don't care about tubes.

12clicks 03-17-2011 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 17985809)
You are indeed correct that I voted for Obama... however, it wouldn't matter who I voted for because they are all in the pockets of the global financial services industry. Republicans are even worse than the Obama Administration... but you can continue to bury your head up your ass looking for gold all you want... your continued support for corporate corruption is noted. I won't try to bother you with historical details because you would ignore them anyway...

:yawn:..

HarryMuff 03-17-2011 07:52 AM

links pulled

12clicks 03-17-2011 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 17985827)
While you are in 2009 can you do something about tubes? Thanks. You'll be the biggest rockstar when you get to 2011 if you do.

as with tubes, this is a bad idea regardless of when it was rolled out.
additionally, it doesn't change the correctness of any of my statements.

I'm pretty amazing like that.

nation-x 03-17-2011 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17985840)
as with tubes, this is a bad idea regardless of when it was rolled out.
additionally, it doesn't change the correctness of any of my statements.

I'm pretty amazing like that.

http://www.thereheis.com/gallery/d/2...hamburglar.jpg

Shap 03-17-2011 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17985840)
as with tubes, this is a bad idea regardless of when it was rolled out.
additionally, it doesn't change the correctness of any of my statements.

I'm pretty amazing like that.

I know. I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to bonzo.

Cyandin 03-17-2011 08:01 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 17985799)
That article is from 2009 are you stuck in the past and being shocked and blown away by old news? LOL


OMG SHAP LOOK!

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-06-25/e...?_s=PM:SHOWBIZ


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wig 03-17-2011 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 17985790)
you really think any other administration would do things differently? the only difference probably would of been this wouldn't be said publicaly. no matter who is in office, the fact is china owns a lot of the debt so you can't just piss away what they want.

I don't understand what you think is important about China owning US Bonds... It's not like they set the terms of the debt.

Their only recourse is to sell them on the open market like everyone else. How easy do you think it is to sell 1 trillion + bonds on the open market and maintain the value of your principal?

That said, I wish every person who is so focused on the US Dollar would acknowledge that the US Dollar Index fell from July 2001 (128.95) until April 2008 (75.03). Between the 2008 low and today, the Index has traded between 92.85 and 75.62 (currently 76.37).

IOW, the US Dollar Index got crushed between 2001 and 2008, but since then has basically traded sideways.

Also, if you look at the US Dollar in terms of Gold, you should also look at other currencies in terms of Gold. What you'll see is that Gold is more expensive for all foreign currencies, not just the US Dollar.

Sausage 03-17-2011 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wig (Post 17985858)
I don't understand what you think is important about China owning US Bonds... It's not like they set the terms of the debt.

Their only recourse is to sell them on the open market like everyone else. How easy do you think it is to sell 1 trillion + bonds on the open market and maintain the value of your principal?

That said, I wish every person who is so focused on the US Dollar would acknowledge that the US Dollar Index fell from July 2001 (128.95) until April 2008 (75.03). Between the 2008 low and today, the Index has traded between 92.85 and 75.62 (currently 76.37).

IOW, the US Dollar Index got crushed between 2001 and 2008, but since then has basically traded sideways.

Also, if you look at the US Dollar in terms of Gold, you should also look at other currencies in terms of Gold. What you'll see is that Gold is more expensive for all foreign currencies, not just the US Dollar.

Wow ... someone who actually has some 'smarts' ;)

V_RocKs 03-17-2011 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17985785)
you're right. so let me dumb it down for you.
the larger scheme you have no clue about can't be accomplished without the US.
you, in your continued idiocy, voted for the administration thats rapidly undoing our country.
now go back, sit down, and let the adults talk.

I have to agree with Nation-X on this one...

You don't remember Bush and our dollar? He tanked the fuck out of it!

V_RocKs 03-17-2011 08:15 AM

If you want to look at presidents...

Regan brought our dollar to it's hight and then tanked the shit out of it before leaving office...

Of course he had NOTHING to do with it and the housing market did...

Then it puttered around before Clinton made it sexy again... or the improving markets did...

Then Bush killed it... or... The tech bust did.

Then it has been on the same roller coaster ride Papa Bush had during his term as President...

So does the administration control the dollar or does the free market we live in control it?

wig 03-17-2011 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 17985878)
So does the administration control the dollar or does the free market we live in control it?

You make an important point.

Administrations don't necessarily control currency markets. However, there have been orchestrated events like Bretton-Woods. There are also policy choices that have consequences. There are also global economic changes. There's the FED. ETC.

It's a complex, dynamic market and there is no one true, easy answer to explain pricing.

seeandsee 03-17-2011 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 17985849)

http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress....breadstick.jpg

blackmonsters 03-17-2011 09:21 AM

Wow, if the dollar tanked then all of our export products would be dirt cheap
and none of us would want to buy imports because we would have to pay more.

Those out sourced jobs would not save companies as much money anymore since
they would have to pay more dollars to make up the difference in foreign exchange
so they would have to hire people in America instead.

Our trillion dollar dept to China would be worthless, but we could easily pay it since
we have to print up more money anyway because it's value is so low.

OMG!!!



:1orglaugh

dyna mo 03-17-2011 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 17986053)
Wow, if the dollar tanked then all of our export products would be dirt cheap
and none of us would want to buy imports because we would have to pay more.

Those out sourced jobs would not save companies as much money anymore since
they would have to pay more dollars to make up the difference in foreign exchange
so they would have to hire people in America instead.

Our trillion dollar dept to China would be worthless, but we could easily pay it since
we have to print up more money anyway because it's value is so low.

OMG!!!



:1orglaugh

would it all rly be like this? seems like there would be more to consider. i don't know, just asking.

JFK 03-17-2011 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 17985827)
While you are in 2009 can you do something about tubes? Thanks. You'll be the biggest rockstar when you get to 2011 if you do.

Lets get the DeLorean fired up :Graucho

Barry-xlovecam 03-17-2011 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 17985758)
[T]he dollar plunged instantly against the euro, yen, and sterling as the comments flashed across trading screens. David Bloom, currency chief at HSBC, said the apparent policy shift amounts to an earthquake in geo-finance. ...

1. Increasing US exports. (Currency cost advantages.)

2. Ripping the FOREX investors new assholes :winkwink:

Not that bad of a foil ...

http://quotes.ino.com/exchanges/forex-cross/

Net affect? We charge and pay out in euros ...

blackmonsters 03-17-2011 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17986057)
would it all rly be like this? seems like there would be more to consider. i don't know, just asking.

Yeah, we would have to finally consider pumping our own oil.

That would be about it.

Every dollar we pay for foreign oil is deposited into our banks and we then pay
interest on it. What if that interest became worthless? Then how much would
we be paying?

Paul Markham 03-17-2011 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wig (Post 17985858)
I don't understand what you think is important about China owning US Bonds... It's not like they set the terms of the debt.

Their only recourse is to sell them on the open market like everyone else. How easy do you think it is to sell 1 trillion + bonds on the open market and maintain the value of your principal?

That said, I wish every person who is so focused on the US Dollar would acknowledge that the US Dollar Index fell from July 2001 (128.95) until April 2008 (75.03). Between the 2008 low and today, the Index has traded between 92.85 and 75.62 (currently 76.37).

IOW, the US Dollar Index got crushed between 2001 and 2008, but since then has basically traded sideways.

Also, if you look at the US Dollar in terms of Gold, you should also look at other currencies in terms of Gold. What you'll see is that Gold is more expensive for all foreign currencies, not just the US Dollar.

Can someone remind 12 clunks who was in the White House then, spending money on wars.

It looks to me as if he's terrified the dollar will be rated at it's true value.

I might have to charge Fabian more for the loss of currency exchange. :1orglaugh

OY 03-17-2011 10:04 AM

Discussing politics on GFY is like flying in space without a space suit. Pretty stupid.

That said, how about them dollar bills changing to coins soon so that the GFY threads about 'my nutsack on a wad of dollar bills ' could change a tad. Now THAT would be GFY worthy to talk about!

:ø)

sologirlcontent 03-17-2011 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17985812)
fyi brainiacs: Article By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard 6:05PM GMT 25 Mar 2009

yep:1orglaugh:1orglaugh OLD SHIT


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