Artists Make More Money in File-Sharing Age Than Before It
 

http://torrentfreak.com/artists-make...before-100914/

growth in the music industry as a whole

http://torrentfreak.com/images/nor-mus.jpg

vs the real kicker music for the formally ass raped artists

http://torrentfreak.com/images/nor-art.jpg

porn can't go on tour.

you even read what you post?

fuck off.

really pornstars dance at strip clubs
they escort on the side

the "artist" do have a tour component if they want it.

btw the if you look at the pay vs revenue for a porn scene, pornstars are ass raped musicans of this example.

bangbros can't go on your, apples and oranges.

Oh, so stealing is ok.

Understand.

bangbros = sony
pornstar fucking on bangbros = artist

in this example

re read the article.

you are saying pornstars should be making more hooking and dancing since file sharing.

can someone confirm gideon's thesis?

do pornstars make more money now due to an increase in hooking and dancing revenue since 1999?

spoken like a commie idiot, i can name you literally 50 webmasters who went broke with paysites and I don't remember any porn girl that was paid by them offering to give him any of what she was paid back.

stars eventually get paid what they are worth, in music, movies, sports, porn - the rest get exactly what the market is for their services- actually more than they deserve thanks to price fixing agents.

tell that to tubes

Even if you strip out the live revenue, it seems to me that the revenue is still up, that units sold are still up, and dramatically up in the last two years.

Or am I blind?

I don't see how piracy made or accounts for this growth or how that study proves that either. I know the MPPA or however claims movie/music is down for that has been proven false many times over now.

We can easily identify technology that has allowed music to be produced cheaper, self produced, self distributed, more direct profits can easily be made... just like anything attached to technology, it has grown in the last 15 years and if you're 'the person' attached to it, you grow with it.

If anything, that article shows how digital technology / other technology can help industries grow - it doesn't support a piracy argument at all.

blind. the article says units sold down, increase due to live revenue.

Digital sales are up.. Smart phones have exploded off the chart in the last two years, along with better/bigger mp3 players and home mp3 players, and a long list of other crap. "Digital" sales are through the roof but it isn't due to piracy - it's a technology explosion doing it - overall more fans, more access, more people can know who you are for live shows. So many reasons for music to keep growing, piracy may help bring in fans but it isn't making up that growth.

how does apply to porn? anyways can anyone with experience with pornstars confirm gideon's thesis as stated above?

Man, you know he's so far off in left field it's not even funny...

Like stripping has ever brought real fame or made a porn star any money that compares to live entertainment or the branding that brings. He pretends as if it's a standard, every porn chick/star/person (or even 5% of them) simply can role up to any strip joint and perform or simply become an escort, because a very minor few do.


No part of the music industry relates to porn other than people buying shit they want.

Blimey, those graphs need changing then as they clearly show artists getting more money from record sales.

I'll email Norway.

Thanks.

The article says "In 1999, 70% of the artists made less than 9% of their total income from record sales, and in 2009 this went down to 50%."

The article doesn't say how much revenue growth happened in record sales/digital download sales. I took this as, while they make less revenue this way % wise, they actually earn more because the growth was so large.

Yes, I was agreeing with you. The graph is misleading as that shows sales of records as going up and generating more revenue for the artist, quite significantly.

They clearly screwed up the graph.

i know anecdotally that hardly anyone i know pays for music any more. the people that still do don't have a computer or are collectors.

since unit sales down there is a large increase in bands touring to make up for the drop in revenue so that would increase.

all these studies suck. too many variables and bias anyways.

hehe, the graph is probably correct and torrent freak doesn't understand what they mean. :disgust

read the thesis they are making more money, sales include selling the mp3 yourself (independents) on your website.

see

http://www.jonathancoulton.com/store/downloads/


when you don't give the record 90% you don't have to sell any where close to the number of units to make MORE money.

http://translate.google.no/translate...cle3808368.ece

increase in revenue also do to increase in subsidies from the government. if the government will give me money to fuck all day i'm down.

you want porn girls to who delivered the service they were paid for to give the money back because the porn site owner could properly monetize it. and your calling me a commie

i am the ultimate free marketist (well nashian economics)

copyright is a government granted monopoly, it anti free market at it basis.
it should be limited as much as possible.
the penalty for stomping on fair use should be the same as any other sherman anti trust violating action (loss of the monopoly or 3 times revenue generated as damage).

unit sales down, so they tour more to compensate, and since they get a bigger revenue cut from shows than unit sales that explains the very marginal increase in revenue for the artist. also add in government subsidies which could explain the 4% increase in revenue.

all that proves is that artists have to work much harder for the same. also become more dependent on the state. great success.

ps: this cannot be applied to porn in any way either.

pss: before you bring in other studies just use the information from this one, as you are using it to prove your point.

ah piracy taxes which norway and other countries like canada have is based on unit sold.

it goes up as the units are sold, canada counts sales thru itunes now for example, where they originally only counted sales of cd.

what was really bad was that they only counted sales thru stores so independent artist who burned their own cd and sold them at the club dates, paid taxes on the cd and got nothing back now since they can sell their stuff independently on itunes (still a fucking pain in the ass to get approved) they get part of their tax money back.

if canada counted self sales -- see the above link to JC website, then it would be fair.

oh and btw most independent artist in canada don't realize they actually have qualifying sales, so the government is currently holding a shit load of money "undistributed"


http://cpcc.ca/english/finHighlights.htm

why norway? they don't exactly have a booming music industry.

look at it again, the scalar is different in each graph

one goes up by 500 k each tick
the other 100k per tick.

your not taking that into account when you look at it.

because it's easier to prove your preconceptions in anomalous hothouse environments.

They have oil, high taxes and no one cares what things cost.

Gideon must think every nation in the world can afford the same and pay same state subsidizations.

I love these kind of cherrypicked "researches" and then post it in an off-topic context. What has music in common with porn industry anyway?? It's like telling Africa is too cold because the North Pole have ice.

iTunes sold a lot of music in 1999

Face it gideon, you don't give shit one about anything or anyone's property...you're one of these entitlement people that feels anything ever created should just be given to you for free. You feel you shouldn't ever have to pay for anything. Let's face it, broke losers who steal from others are never going to pay for anything anyways. A bunch of self-entitled idiots who should be suffocated by their own "I don't care if you created it, it's all mine mine mine" like a 5 year old on sugar binge motto. You can defend this stuff all you want, but deep down inside, you have no problems stealing someone else's work for your own selfish wants. People like you have never ever worked hard for anything in your lives. You've had things handed to you and all you do is want more more more.

Just because something is created digitally rather than physically, it does not mean you have a RIGHT to take it. Just like someone who builds things, someone who creates movies and music have COSTS associated with those. People like you never ONCE ever consider this. You can deny it here on GFY or wherever, but deep down inside you know this is true. I'll never be convinced otherwise.

It doesn't matter if revenues are are up, it doesn't matter if an artist has a mansion and private jet. They WORKED for those revenues and are still missing out on revenues. Just because someone has a lot of money, it doesn't give anyone the RIGHT to take away their money. It doesn't give someone the right to say "you make too much money". That would be like me coming to your house and saying "hey dude, you made $350 last month, that's way too much money in my opinion, so I'm going to take your couch."

Now, I know that stealing crybabies like you will say there is a difference between a digital product and a physical product, but I'll call bullshit on that. There is still a cost associated with producing a digital product. For someone like you to sit there and claim that the time and money spent producing that is worthless is bullshit and I'll call you on that bullshit.

it way easier to do the study in such a country.

see the above canada short fall example to see all the extra work you would have to do in another country.

btw norway also doesn't have the operating here restriction like canada does, so income has a global income influencer to it too.

not only is it easier to get the raw data

norway has a piracy tax, which is revenue allocated based, which means declared revenues can be extrapulated from the claimed revenue for the tax credit

about as much as the mainstream movie industry had in common with the porn movie industry in the 70 when betamax was a piracy problem for mainstream and a massive revenue boost for the porn industry.

5 years later mainstream finally realized what they could copy from the success.

nothing is so totally unique you can't adapt something from it.

dude this example may be valid for norway because music from norway doesnt mean shit and probably artists there are earning 500$ a year instead of 400 $ before internets
sure with inflation and stuff like that going on...

We need porn subsidies... :pimp

I with him.

Norway is poor example. Do a study in the US wher ethe artists don't get government subsidies.

Exactly! :thumbsup

Napster started in 1999. In 1999 everyone with a computer and Internet connection started going crazy with downloads.

Where are the pre-1999 numbers?

These charts are so skewed.

And no, I am not reading the fucking article when the charts are bogus.

Was that a joke? iTunes wasn't opened until 2003, I think.