Ground zero church
 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...icials-forgot/
It seems that the Muslims have more pull than the only church destroyed by the 9/11 attacks.

why the fuck should a church be allowed to be rebuilt right next to the WTC site when a mosque that's two blocks away is catching so much flack.

you're kidding right?
Maybe because it was already there, and in being so should be rebuilt

Look at your money bitch, read my sig

the catholic church is responsible for ruining the lives of a lot more people than 9/11....

why are poeple not up in arms about catholic priests molesting children... :2 cents:




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I don't see why there can't be a place for all places of prayer. Maybe a learning center that teaches the differences between the different religions? A place where people can learn to live together.

God damn you're fucking stupid.

The article even states clear as day
Yet, you still try to spin it like they are related.

no one protested christian churches when a white christian males blew up the murrah federal building

Did you forget Obama is a Muslim?

Your constant whining and pussymoaning is really tiresome. All you do on GFY is post about Obamanation this, or Obamacare that, or whatever other grains of sand you can grasp to bitch about the fact that Republicans barely have a voice right now. I'm not a hard leftist (I'm a moderate), and I don't know you personally so I don't think you're an idiot or anything, but come on man. Give it a rest.


QFT.

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U know .. sometimes I think you are mentally-hilarious as ur avatar depicts HOWEVER I MUST agree with that point u just made.

I also find it equally amusing when I see people actively involved in a porn-fueled business-community and yet they pretend to be religious (small conflict there? perhaps?)

Only since the early 1900s has it been required to be on U.S. money.

In addition, it wasn't until around 1955 it became the official U.S. motto... it's certainly NOT something that the forefathers of the nation envisioned let alone endorse.

Note that "E Pluribus Unum" was the defacto motto of the U.S. from the days of George Washington, but political leaders of the 1950s (time of the Red Scare, Cold War, and Nationalism) sought to push the Christian God into every aspect of one's life and hence the legislation for the "In God We Trust" motto, as well as, the rewording of the Pledge of Allegiance to make it more U.S.-centric and adding "God" into it.

Again, point is that motto was NOT always there nor did the forefathers ever envision its use - they truly felt government should be separate from religion, and for good reason.

Ron

The fux news article says "The Port Authority and the church announced a deal in July 2008 under which the Port Authority would grant land and up to $20 million to help rebuild it in a new location -- in addition, the authority was willing to pay up to $40 million to construct a bomb-proof platform underneath."

I think you should be more upset that taxes are being used to subsidize a religious institution. $60 mil????

This looks like a job for Super Squirrel!

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Last time I looked, people WERE up in arms about the Catholic Church.


I also have to disagree totally with your statement about the Catholic church. Every organisation suffers from can colloquially be called the "bad eggs". Its natural that deviants such as the paedophiles in the Catholic Church would want to gravitate somewhere in a position of authority where they could get away with their acts.

Being part Irish I know exactly what I'm talking about in this respect. Traditionally in Ireland, priests, bishops etc had a TREMENDOUS amount of power. Its mind boggling just how much sway they had on a community. Such abuse would be easy to carry out.

Doesn't mean its' a problem with the religion, though looking back with the glories of hindsight it damn easy to be critical about the way it was treated, but a problem with people as a whole.

Other figures that compare to it...........abuse in other religions, institutional abuse (foster homes etc), adoption......The list goes on.


Fundamentally the Catholic Church has shaped where we are today. It has left an indelible mark on our entire society, a branch being protestantism, and has given us a society in which freedom is finally possible with or without religion.

Take a look in some middle eastern countries and suddenly Catholicism, with all its flaws and problems, suddenly doesn't look half as bad.

That is badly needed. If I had Sergey Brin cash I would do that myself. :thumbsup

Oh, and to another post above... Child molestation is the LEAST of the Catholic church's past atrocities.

WOW! Do you think before you hit "Submit Reply"?

You must be kidding. They don't call it the dark ages for nothing.

They never said they did it for god you fucking idiot. They did it for revenge and hatred of the government. No christian church applauded thier actions, unlike muslims.

Republicans, Conservatives, Right Wingers and Nut Ringers are against the Constitution.

They're willing to bend/amend the Constitution to not allow the Mosque but don't think it's right to bend/amend the Constitution when it comes to gay marriage.

Some serious jacked up ideas in these peoples heads.

The land of the free...

Fuck Towelheads
Fuck Faggots

See they are the same thing. Learn to double negative CockDoc. :thumbsup

You forgot one, Fuck the Constitution anytime it doesn't work in your favor.

the mosque protests are just amerikkka's bigotry rearing it's ugly little head. :thumbsup

What a fucking MORON, the post was about one church that was already there and other that is building, I never mentioned the "BARRY in charge", but you're too fucking "JUMP the SHARK tank STUPID" to see that

Get off your fucking soapbox shit for brains

Where did I say anything about BARRY?
Just that one religion has more pull than another, get a fucking clue MORON.
The only thing tiresome is you jumping to conclusions and not opening your fucking eyes, which is truly the sign of an idiot

'Ground Zero Mosque' Imam Helped FBI With Counterterrorism Efforts

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_685071.html

that happens when people declare a holy war

Hate to break it to you chief... But not all muslims are radical fundamentalists. in fact only a very small percentage are. So railing against the muslim faith as a whole doesn't make you a good patriot.. it makes you fucking scumbag bigot or typical amerikkkan. take your pick. hth

Actually the dark ages were called the dark ages because of the fall of the Roman empire which basically set the clock back.

In fact if you read your history, you will see it was the Catholic monks and their monastery's who saved most of the literature. Without that, progress would have been far slower.


Do not think that I am blindly defending Catholicism, I just want to draw a distinction between the religion and the people.

People have always been capable of good, evil and necessity. Fact.
People have always used some banner (be it patriotism, religion, bigotry, idealism) to try and exert power and influence. Its no different for Catholicism.

The religion, is actually very peaceful and when examined (as I have done indepth along side my English degree) from a historical and theological viewpoint is extraordinarily wonderful in its teachings on fairness and equality. When you get into Christological research you see this highlighted even more.



The study of religion is absolutely fascinating. I would love to do it for a living but for the fact that I like fast cars and beautiful women :1orglaugh

uh, how exactly does a religion have more pull than another when the issue at hand is related to a structure? Maybe (just maybe) the Muslim people behind the mosque project had/have better negotiators to get a deal hammered out?

As far as I am concerned there should be no religious structures built or rebuilt near the twin tower site. Putting these churches and mosques there doesn't spark questions and dialogue, it sparks contempt and hate between people with differing religious views. :2 cents:

Small percentage?

There are currently 1,500,000,000 muslims. You don't many percent to have a real problem.

Not to mention that yes, not all muslims are radical, lots want simply to live their life. However a fair percentage gives indirect support by not absolutely condemning not only terrorism, but the proselytising element for which islam is well known for, both in modern day's and certainly historically.

I was there in London on 7/7 (different story, but I would usually have gone on that tube :helpme) and hearing some of the complete mother fuckers refuse to condemn (they said they did not condone) showed me just how hardened some peoples hearts are, backed up with their fervour.

America's backbone is that of a Christian entity, hence I would support the indigenous cultures native religion, even though its NOT the countries religion.

well that explains a few things

isn't that the guy thats trying to bring sharia law to the US?

Since it was Islamic Extremist that destroyed the Church, as a building I would say it should be rebuilt.

But as a religious matter, maybe a building of prayer for all faiths would be more appropriate?

Hey Shithead, there you go putting words in my post
Where did I say all islamic people?
I was referring to the assholes that attacked New York, you know, those fucking people.

Just like not all Muslims believe that a mosque should go there, the Koran teaches respect for others and putting it there shows insensitivity to the 9/11 event

they have the right to put it there, but according the koran, they shouldn't, it's not about religious freedom, many Islamic groups are against it

sure does .....

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I have a harder time debating with a garage door then you : the door is smarter : it shuts the fuck up ...:upsidedow

I think we should build a dry cleaners at ground zero. :)

nah... 2 long cats will suffice...

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