For those of you that want socialized health care
 

...I will remind you that only 10-20% of the stimulus fund has been dispersed. Also only about 2% of the "cash for clunkers" program has been paid out to the dealers. One dealer that I saw interviewed said that he was owed well over one million by the government and if he is not paid soon he will have to withdraw from the program. The fraud and waste involved in the Medi Care and Medicaid programs is notorious...as well as doctors and hospitals suffer with very slow payments from these programs.

In other words all of these programs are inefficient...so do you really want the government involved with your health care?

be glad we paid for your surgery speedbump.

you received socialized health care and are a hypocrit for opposing it for others LOL

That doesn't help :

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...terstitialskip

.. and this is not a mandatory program ... Dealers can stay out of it if they wish to ... aint that great !.

Man up King ..... is this the case?!!!


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He has posted numerous times about him using Va hospitals for years.

Anyone who pays attention can see that in one thread he calls for "everyone above 18 to buy health coverage" yet he himself does not do so.

he has posted numerous times about his numerous "surgeries" all done at VA hospitals and all paid for by tax payers. He was not hurt in combat but thinks Americans owe him a life of free health care.

its laughable when you look at it, and its the reason he ignores these facts in these threads ;)

since I always back up what i say:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...=921352&page=3

LOL as I said, sit back and enjoy the free ride while claming socialized health care is bad, although you claim its worked for you... LOL

You are an ignorant liar and do not always back up what you say. If you are not a liar then back up the lies that you have told about me...kid.

While I for one had a good experience with medical care while I was on active duty and while I for one have had a good experience with the VA...I personally know of dozens who have not...and on whole VA care has been...at times a national disgrace and a joke...and will continue to be in future times.

You are the only liar here.

You defended VA care days ago when it was called a joke...


You posted this exact quote retorting Pleasurepays calling it a joke,

now here you are doing the same? Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

You really are an ignorant lying fuck now aren't you. Not only can't you back up all of the lies about me...you claim that I was defending the VA when I did not do any such thing...please point out where I did. I spoke about my personal experience with the VA which is not a defense of the VA...but is about my personal experience with the VA.

play nice everyone.

So basically you already have free health care from the government. Are you planning to purchase private healthcare or is that something just for the rest of us?

Umm... noone is proposing "socialized" health care... stop watching Fox News and educate yourself http://www.opencongress.org >> See H.R. 3200

I have had private insurance since I left active duty in '92. It is limited in scope because I am a 100% disabled vet and have multiple pre-existing conditions...but I use it for minor things...in place of having to drive to a VA hospital. For anything major then I use the VA.

Now all of a sudden he has private health care, yet for years he has been on GFY talking about his VA health care LOL :1orglaugh

again, i ask: what is it like to be your own father?

There are many people in this country that have wanted...and still want...socialized health care. BTW...there are three bills in Congress being worked on and two bills in the Senate being worked on. H.R.-3200 is just one of the bills...being proposed and there is no consensus on it.

I have seldom...if ever...mentioned anything about my VA health care. In addition I have mentioned before that I maintain private insurance for the very reason I stated above.

pigshit!

I couldnt get fucking health insurance if I paid a million dollars for it. Not in the USA man. I'm a heart attack survivor. Guess who's not jumping through hoops to insure me? Thats correct. Everyone. End of story.

Sorry, there is no happy ending. Just a nasty ugly painful tug job.

Well actually you can but it would be limited in its scope and would not cover any pre-existing conditions or complications caused by pre-existing conditions...it would be good for minor things but if you have alot of money you may be better off paying out of pocket for minor things.

please list those bill #s.

thx in advance!

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It is just as easy for you to do a google search as it is for me.

1 billion dollars a year is the estimate California believes fraudsters bilk the medi-cal program.

There are only 28 investigators for fraud in the program.

Wouldn't it make sense to spend $100,000,000 to hire 1,250 investigators @ $80,000 a year per investigator to stop perhaps $800,000,000 of the fraud?

We'd save $700,000,000 a year and the other $100,000,000 would be growing the economy since it would be spent in 98% legal ways like most people spend their cash.

Not to mention 8% would come back to the state as taxes.

:2 cents:

GFY hiccuped

and none of them propose "socialized" health care... period.

The U.S. Already Has Socialized Healthcare.. several forms of it, all of which work.

Just because a couple have bumps in them, doesn't mean it doesn't work and it doesn't mean they shouldn't be expanded.

i've done that.

i've read various news sources, online & offline, i've watched coverage of the health care issue-

i can't find, nor have i heard of, any health care bills other than 1 in the senate healthcare committee and the 1 in the house.

All of them have variations of socialized health care in them and many of the powerful in the house are pushing for total socialized health care...in that they want a single payer health care system.

Wait a minute. You are putting our veterans that earned VA benefits in the same class as some illegal alien or a welfare case?

Not even close. :2 cents::2 cents:

Well search again...as there a three in the House and two in the Senate. There is one primary bill in the House and one primary bill in the Senate...niether of which have been resolved at this point in time and require additional work when Congress returns to session.

Ok, I understand now ......


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wrong.

have a good 1 though.

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Again... none of the bills that have been introduced contain a single payer proposal... and none propose socialized health care... you are incorrect. Would you call the post office "socialized mail service"? What they are proposing for a public option would be the same as the post office in the sense that is would be a GSE program. It would be seeded by public funds but would have to operate as a private non profit and would receive the backing of the federal government to maintain reserves as required by law. The private insurers are not going to provide health care to those who can't afford it due to unemployment. This is why they are proposing a public option... to maintain coverage for people who need that help. Personally, I would rather that we give money to the public option instead of the private insurers to provide coverage to this demographic. It makes fiscal sense because it will cost less for us to do so. The argument against it is ridiculous and only supports the status quo.... which is not working... period.

http://www.heritage.org/research/healthcare/wm803.cfm

Here is but one link and it took me all of one google search to find it. Notice the bills in just this article.

"The House health care package contains three major proposals, all of which are based on previously introduced House bills. The first would establish association health plans (AHPs) and is based on legislation sponsored by Rep. Sam Johnson (H.R. 525). The second would foster interstate commerce in health insurance, enabling individuals and families to buy health insurance across state lines; this is based on legislation sponsored by Rep. John Shadegg (H.R. 2355). The third would extend federal funding for health insurance pooling demonstrations and programs, including high-risk pools, and is also based on legislation sponsored by Rep. Shadegg (HR. 3204)."

So actually there are 5-9 bills between the House and the Senate. I had posted 5-9 in a previous thread but I could not find all nine while posting in this thread so I just use 3 in the House and 2 in the Senate. In actuality before it is over there will probably be more bills introduced for debate.

The President has stated that he prefers a single payer system...powerful House members have stated that they prefer a single payer system...Howard Dean just stated...in the past day or two...that he would not support anything other than a single payer system. I don't think a single payer system will be put into whatever final bill there is but there are those pushing for it and no bill has been resolved as of yet and may not be.

Yes, because as someone who has worked in hospitals for years, the system needs overhauled so badly it's ridiculous. Many hospitals are bleeding money because equipment, staff, and medicine is so expensive... and this is even WITH the high prices they charge and understaffing. I'm talking a Top 100 Hospital only being able to afford to pay one person to cover making IVs for a 10 hour shift... for 400-500 patients. Many health care employees aren't even given health insurance because the hospitals simply can't afford it.

Emergency/severe health care simply doesn't work well as a private industry - people are too greedy and it's hurting everyone else involved. I worked in a hospital pharmacy for three years and saw how much even the hospital was being charged for the drugs we needed to dispense... it's ridiculous.

You are confused... public option does not equal single payer... and that is what they are all talking about. Obama supported a single payer in 2007 but later changed his position (before he started running for president). He stated many times during the campaign and since he began his presidency that he no longer supports a single payer system.

The local hospital a couple of months back layed off 16 RN's and Nurses Aides...so some that require hospital care are driving twenty-five miles to check into a better staffed hospital though I have heard that it too is understaffed. The economy has affected many fields I guess.

No I am not confused there are those that are pushing for single payer...though I clearly do not expect a single payer system to ever be approved...even by the House...let alone the Senate.