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Fletch XXX 09-07-2005 06:13 AM

If we shouldnt rebuild New Orleans we should not have rebuilt the New York towers
 
the Lousiana Purchase makes the STate of Lousiana and the City Of New Orleans historical, yet so many hold negative opiinons about its rebuilding.

Well, if we shouldnt rebuiold new orleans we should not have rebuilt the trade towers from 9/11

some of you are as stupid as they come, and prove it more when you run your mouth about not rebuilding one of Americas greatest cities.

many places in america are unsafe to live.

Including, claifornia, florida, new york, oregon, need i go on? We dont simply stop building homes in areas because its unsafe, thats not the american way.

so either support the efforts or accept the fact your opinion basically alienates you from the rest of us history loving Americans who say" rebuild.

directfiesta 09-07-2005 06:21 AM

got a valid point there.

MacDaddyPlaya 09-07-2005 06:24 AM

Regardless of what happened in NY, we have to rebuild NO. We just need to build it bigger, better, and more secure. Learn from the past and move forward.

Fletch XXX 09-07-2005 06:26 AM

Whats annoying is how people basically became even more flag waving on 9/11 - "oh no, our precious city of shit and poverty, our beautiful new york where girls are raped everyday has been destroyed"

i supported rebuilding then, and I suppot it now.

Why are so many americans turning their back on the very land that started America on its road to power?

Without the lousiana purchase this country would not be the way it is, yet so many have abandoned the root of our land.

If the towers were a symbol of our strength upon rebuilding, should rebuilding one of our oldest and most guarded cities be the same priority and rebuilt with honor?

any american saying they do not support rebuilding is basically turning his/her back on america at its roots.

every city and state has its disasters, now all of a sudden, new orleans is suppoed to be less important than some city in florida that is rebuild every year from hurricanes?

its no surprise though, america opened its doors to many unworthy people over the years.

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Ninja Scripts 09-07-2005 06:39 AM

People talk out of their asses 100%. It's bad enough to not know what in the hell is going on but at least go look it up before you spout ignorance all day.

LauraLee 09-07-2005 06:40 AM

too true, you won't get a single arguement outta me on that one.

strats 09-07-2005 06:55 AM

You're all fuckingownd

EroticySteve 09-07-2005 06:58 AM

The comparison between NYC and NO isn't valid. I understand the point you're trying to make but you can't compare NYC and New Orleans.

New York City is not inherently unsafe and vulnerable to the same perils that NO was subject to. NYC while not far above sea level and too surrounded by water isn't in a high danger zone. Correct me if I'm wrong but the city is fairly well protected against most natural disaster perils.

The actions of Terrorists wasnt' an attack on a few people, a single city or even the State of NY, it was an attack against everything American. To rebuild is a component of our national pride and to show Terrorists that they can't win against us.

New Orleans isn't unimportant, to suggest such is silly. However, people not in favor of rebuilding have many valid points. To rebuild it as it was only to return it to it's former glory doesn't have much purpose. You're not robbing it of it's historic importance by not building living and working space below sea level.

I'm not sure if global warming is to blame, that's an entirely different discussion but we may be seeing a different weather pattern in the world. Europe is hotter. We have more hurricanes and severe weather. Hotter, wetter summers, colder winters.

The propensity for extensive damage to the New Orleans area is rising drastically. Whatever happens there it must be much different than it is.

OldSchoolJim 09-07-2005 07:02 AM

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Correct me if I'm wrong but the city is fairly well protected against most natural disaster perils
No city is totally protected against a cat 4-5...you think MIAMI would not be a disaster if they got hit proper? i think they would....

we NEED to rebuild New Orleans....for its historical significance at the VERY least...but i am sure there are a million more reasons to as well....

maybe whatever gets plowed down gets built a few feet higher this time....that is all....

davidd 09-07-2005 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX
the Lousiana Purchase makes the STate of Lousiana and the City Of New Orleans historical, yet so many hold negative opiinons about its rebuilding.

Well, if we shouldnt rebuiold new orleans we should not have rebuilt the trade towers from 9/11

some of you are as stupid as they come, and prove it more when you run your mouth about not rebuilding one of Americas greatest cities.

many places in america are unsafe to live.

Including, claifornia, florida, new york, oregon, need i go on? We dont simply stop building homes in areas because its unsafe, thats not the american way.

so either support the efforts or accept the fact your opinion basically alienates you from the rest of us history loving Americans who say" rebuild.


Your points are 100% valid, but neither NYC or NO should be rebuilt with tax dollars. If the people of these cities want to rebuild, it should be with their own money, and it should be their own decision.

I am not in favor of using any public funds to rebuild the twin towers, and I am not in favor of using public funds to rebuild a city that, in theory, will be destroyed again.

Pride is one thing, reality is another.

If New Orleans was rebuilt at great expense and nature destroyed it in 5 years... do we keep on fighting nature? Does this not sound as crazy to you, as it does to me?

Additionally, you stated you were from this area, so it does bias your opinion. I have no dog in this race, meaning I am neither for or against the people making a decision with what they want to do with their property.

note: Before those of you jump in and say "Our tax dollars are being wasted elsewhere why not waste them here instead". To accept the wasting of public money (anywhere) is to condone the belief on each side of the aisle in D.C. that we are the servants of government and not the other way around.

2257-Ben 09-07-2005 07:38 AM

The issue isn't should NO be rebuilt... The issue is should NO be rebuilt in its existing site. The answer to that is not no, but HELL NO! To build a city below sea level is one of the most idiotic, assinine, amazingly stupid ideas that anyone's ever come up with. Rebuild it, but at least move it so it doesn't get flooded out again.

directfiesta 09-07-2005 07:39 AM

Welcome to New Orleans, Kentucky! :1orglaugh

HE WHO HAS RESURFACED! 09-07-2005 07:43 AM

WELL SAID FLETCH :thumbsup

you always did have strong moral character.. how you been.. i've been gone for a long time..

cherrylula 09-07-2005 07:43 AM

Anyone who thinks it should not needs to go back to history 101.

Fletch XXX 09-07-2005 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 2257-Ben
The issue isn't should NO be rebuilt... The issue is should NO be rebuilt in its existing site. The answer to that is not no, but HELL NO! To build a city below sea level is one of the most idiotic, assinine, amazingly stupid ideas that anyone's ever come up with. Rebuild it, but at least move it so it doesn't get flooded out again.

you are in california with me.

this entire state is not supposed to be inhabited.

i suggest we start rethinking where we built Los Angeles, San Fransisco especially.

california is as dangerous as liousiana.

earthquakes EVERYDAY!!! OH NO!!!!!

The Stickman 09-07-2005 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX
Well, if we shouldnt rebuiold new orleans we should not have rebuilt the trade towers from 9/11

many places in america are unsafe to live...Including, claifornia, florida, new york, oregon, need i go on?

Whats annoying is how people basically became even more flag waving on 9/11 - "oh no, our precious city of shit and poverty, our beautiful new york where girls are raped everyday has been destroyed"

Without the lousiana purchase this country would not be the way it is, yet so many have abandoned the root of our land.

If the towers were a symbol of our strength upon rebuilding, should rebuilding one of our oldest and most guarded cities be the same priority and rebuilt with honor?

Ok...first of all... DO NOT compare what happened in NY to NO. Completely different!

- 1 was attacked by Non-Americans (or scumbags)
- The other was attacked by Mother Nature (whom we cannot fight).

The towers will be rebuilt to prove to the world that the USA can take a punch and keep moving forward. NO is 5-12 feet below sea level and is a risk to all that live there (as we have already seen).

You are correct in stating that NO is a historical landmark. But in no way does it compare to what NY did for this country. If the Louisiana Purchase never happened, Mardi Gras would not occur in the US -- that's it! If it was never part of the US, you would never have missed it.

Stop giving so much credit to a filthy, crime infested city. NO has as much crime if not more than LA, NY or Miami.

I give you credit for your passion about your city, but your argument needs some work.

If they rebuild NO it would have to be like Pompeii. They would need to layer that city multiple times so they can redo their filtration/sewer systems and so that they are no longer BELOW sea level.

GOOD LUCK!

Fletch XXX 09-07-2005 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by The Stickman
But in no way does it compare to what NY did for this country.

pick up history book. and ask yourself why gas is so high eright now, because new orleans has more to do with things than most give credit for.

directfiesta 09-07-2005 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Stickman
Ok...first of all... DO NOT compare what happened in NY to NO. Completely different!

- 1 was attacked by Non-Americans (or scumbags)
- The other was attacked by Mother Nature (whom we cannot fight).

correction:

- 1 was attacked by Non-Americans ( or scumbags )
- The other was abandonned by its leaders ( who you can kick out )

cherrylula 09-07-2005 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Stickman
[B]If the Louisiana Purchase never happened, Mardi Gras would not occur in the US -- that's it! If it was never part of the US, you would never have missed it.

Wow, ignorance at its absolute finest. :1orglaugh

Again, history 101, you need to return there and stop spewing ignorance on the interweb.

bringer 09-07-2005 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta
correction:

- 1 was attacked by Non-Americans ( or scumbags )
- The other was abandonned by its leaders ( who you can kick out )

yeah, the governor and mayor really fucked up

2257-Ben 09-07-2005 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX
you are in california with me.

this entire state is not supposed to be inhabited.

i suggest we start rethinking where we built Los Angeles, San Fransisco especially.

california is as dangerous as liousiana.

earthquakes EVERYDAY!!! OH NO!!!!!

First of all, I live in the part of California where there have historically been NO earthquakes. South of Fresno, in the San Joachin Valley.

Yes, there are earthquakes here in California every day... just about. Especially if you live in the Mammoth Lakes area or Parkfield, earthquake capital of California.

And when the big one hits Los Angeles or San Francisco and the city is destroyed by a huge calamity, it still will not be the same as New Orleans. With a hurricane, you do have some advance notice. With an earthquake, you don't.

When the coast of California splits off the mainland and I end up with beachfront property, I'll think about rebuilding Los Angeles Island... As for SFO, a great deal of it has been built up on reclaimed land from the ocean and you can watch for it to collapse due to liquifaction. Oh well, it was nice while it lasted.

websiex 09-07-2005 07:58 AM

I'm going to agree with Stickman on this one. He is absolutely right about the big differences between NO and NY. First of all, you're saying people are being raped and killed in mass numbers in NY when the reality is only around 3 people a day are killed in New York City. Yes, 3 is a lot, but it was a lot more back in the 1980s. Crime has fallen a lot in New York City, and now it is one of the safest big cities in the United States to live in, if not the safest.

Also, the whole rebuilding issue. I doubt this city is going to be rebuilt. I mean, what kind of idiot is going to risk putting their business in this situation again? If I owned a Casino I know I wouldn't build it in a city 12 feet below sea level that lacks a real levee system. I don't know if you guys know this, but New Orleans got most of its profits from Casinos. I wouldn't expect to see Casinos rushing in after this hurricane showed what can happen to the city.

Fletch XXX 09-07-2005 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by 2257-Ben
First of all, I live in the part of California where there have historically been NO earthquakes. South of Fresno, in the San Joachin Valley.

Doesnt matter.

Technically you live in an area plagued by earthquakes, you can play them down all you want, but fact remains.

All major cities in California, and many throughout the entire US are in areas that are constantly rebuilt.

To say we shouldnt rebuild one, while you live in a state that is constantly repaving roads and rebuilding homes of people who choose to live on hills and mud slide areas is silly.

This state is as guilty as Florida for building in bad areas.

you cannot pick and choose.

crockett 09-07-2005 07:59 AM

They should leave the water there and rebuild it like a little mini Venice with canals and rivers for streets..

It's below sea level this will only happen again. At the very least new building codes should require all houses be built on stilts like they are in the FL Keys.

Fletch XXX 09-07-2005 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by websiex
I don't know if you guys know this, but New Orleans got most of its profits from Casinos. I wouldn't expect to see Casinos rushing in after this hurricane showed what can happen to the city.

You act like Mississippi didnt have casinos.

do any of you actually leave the house?

the reason its levees were not brough up to par is because of funding.

the money WAS THERE, and it would have ONLY BEEN MILLIONS. Guess what, didnt happen. Deny it all you want. Levee funds were directed to IRAQ.

Quote:

In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to a Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness.

On June 8, 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; told the Times-Picayune: "It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us."
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/ea..._id=1001051313

why dont you tell the Dutch that levees cannot save you.

bringer 09-07-2005 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX
Doesnt matter.

Technically you live in an area plagued by earthquakes, you can play them down all you want, but fact remains.

All major cities in California, and many throughout the entire US are in areas that are constantly rebuilt.

To say we shouldnt rebuild one, while you live in a state that is constantly repaving roads and rebuilding homes of people who choose to live on hills and mud slide areas is silly.

This state is as guilty as Florida for building in bad areas.

you cannot pick and choose.

stfu already. if your house/business is destroyed you either have insurance or your sol. every year i hear about dumbfucks in la whos houses get destroyed in mudslides. we dont need tax dollars used to rebuild someone home who knew the risks and took them anyways. fuck them

Ninja Scripts 09-07-2005 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by bringer
stfu already. if your house/business is destroyed you either have insurance or your sol. every year i hear about dumbfucks in la whos houses get destroyed in mudslides. we dont need tax dollars used to rebuild someone home who knew the risks and took them anyways. fuck them

There he is! GWB's balls salty or sweet?

bringer 09-07-2005 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninja Scripts
There he is! GWB's balls salty or sweet?

i didnt know bush supported the "fuck the rich LA pricks who've lost their homes in a mudslide" stance

websiex 09-07-2005 08:15 AM

Whew, you're up floating in the clouds I think FletchXXX. You talk about New Orleans specifically then you twist over to Mississippi after the facts come out. Anyway, yes I know that Mississippi was hit with the hurricane, but that was small coastal towns. New Orleans was a major US city. There is a pretty big difference there my friend.

As for the funding, whew, you'll do anything you can to Bash Bush. I am not a fan of Bush at all, but when you start throwing out false facts I'm going to have to stop you in your tracks. Yes, Bush may have cut funding to New Orleans, but what about the presidents in the last 30 or so years? I mean, New Orleans was there for over 200 years, and the technology to build a super levee system was there for at least 30 years. This is just a total government failure. I don't understand how you can throw it on one guy. It is the state's fault in reality, they chose to ignore it and now they are paying the price.

The Stickman 09-07-2005 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by cherrylula
Wow, ignorance at its absolute finest. :1orglaugh

Again, history 101, you need to return there and stop spewing ignorance on the interweb.


That was a joke :1orglaugh NO is a great city and it is a shame what happened!

cherrylula 09-07-2005 08:17 AM

And yet no matter how much arguing is done here or anywhere else, New Orleans will be rebuilt.

y'all been owned.

Beejeebers 09-07-2005 08:18 AM

So, even after all the suffering the people of NO went through and are still going through, you think it's a good idea to put them through this again within 10 years?

Ninja Scripts 09-07-2005 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by cherrylula
And yet no matter how much arguing is done here or anywhere else, New Orleans will be rebuilt.

y'all been owned.

What???????? You mean the sheep don't know best?

websiex 09-07-2005 08:19 AM

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y'all been owned.
yeah, and the next time this happens again the people living there will be owned too, good call. Glad to see you're taking the right position on this.

bringer 09-07-2005 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninja Scripts
There he is! GWB's balls salty or sweet?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninja Scripts
What???????? You mean the sheep don't know best?

thanks for contributing your interesting views on the subjects discussed in this thread. there really isn't a way to put a value on it. i hope you program better then you debate. btw, let me save you the time replying to my comments.

-cut-
sheep noob loser idiot. go watch fox news and lick bushs nuts
-cut-

davidd 09-07-2005 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX
Doesnt matter.

Technically you live in an area plagued by earthquakes, you can play them down all you want, but fact remains.

All major cities in California, and many throughout the entire US are in areas that are constantly rebuilt.

To say we shouldnt rebuild one, while you live in a state that is constantly repaving roads and rebuilding homes of people who choose to live on hills and mud slide areas is silly.

This state is as guilty as Florida for building in bad areas.

you cannot pick and choose.

People once thought leeches would fix ailments when applied to the human skin. We used to burn witches. We used to believe the Earth was flat. People used to think asbestos was the greatest flame resistant substance.

We have made a lot of mistakes, but learning from mistakes is the key.

Building New Orleans below sea level was a mistake. Do we repeat the same mistake simply because we did it previously? At what point does pride fuck you in the ass?

throwdown 09-07-2005 09:22 AM

I'm glad the WTC towers had two planes flew into them

NYC is full of dumbfucks

Fletch XXX 09-07-2005 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by davidd

Building New Orleans below sea level was a mistake.

It was not built below sea level.

I will not go into marshland rebuilding, but the city has been sinking because of way more important things such as the erosion of marshlands in South Lousiana. Where i grew up. Literally.

And since you dont even know new orleans wasnt built originally below sea level, i doubt you have a clue about marshlands and the importance of them to that region.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science...a.wetlands.ap/

Quote:

Now, Curole and his fellow scientists and environmentalists hope the federal government will use the rebuilding of New Orleans as an opportunity to also save the state's rapidly disappearing wetlands.

"For years and years I had hoped that the facts would get the country to intellectually understand what could happen," said Curole, a hurricane expert and coastal restoration advocate. "I think we've got their attention."

Since the 1930s, according to scientists, Louisiana has lost about 1,900 square miles of marsh and swamp, and stands to see another 700 square miles slip away by 2050 if drastic measures aren't taken.
My mom has been preaching wetland rebuilding to me since I was a child. Educate yourself on it, it has a lot to do with the situation.

bringer 09-07-2005 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by throwdown
I'm glad the WTC towers had two planes flew into them

NYC is full of dumbfucks

whatever you say nofx
i thought you were banned


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