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fraggle 05-02-2005 06:53 AM

Voyeur dead?
 
Is it really so dead?

Ive jut been conducting some (ahem) research on Voyeur sites and must say in dissappointed in the quality of material. Little or low quality custom/X material, bad or unrealistic themes and many simply promiss a voyeur site and the user gets a shitty amateur members area.

Is theer anyone doing somethingcreative in this niche?

Dirty F 05-02-2005 06:54 AM

All those fake voyeur sites are so lame haha.

Platinumpimp 05-02-2005 07:10 AM

I think its very undersaturated; because of all these fake sites people get disappointed.

Huggles 05-02-2005 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by fraggle
Is it really so dead?

Ive jut been conducting some (ahem) research on Voyeur sites and must say in dissappointed in the quality of material. Little or low quality custom/X material, bad or unrealistic themes and many simply promiss a voyeur site and the user gets a shitty amateur members area.

Is theer anyone doing somethingcreative in this niche?



Isn't it illegal and dangerous to film real voyeur content?

BIGTYMER 05-02-2005 07:16 AM

I still do well on my voyeur stuff.

hydro 05-02-2005 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Huggles
Isn't it illegal and dangerous to film real voyeur content?

Of course but you would think they could make it more realistic. Hell you could use some cheap camera and bad lighting for that real feel.

mortenb 05-02-2005 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Kingpins
I still do well on my voyeur stuff.

me too :winkwink:

Serious-Partner 05-02-2005 07:59 AM

Well then VoyeurX should be perfect for your project.

http://www.VoeyurX.info converts great on Voyeur , homemade & spy cam traffic!

Also we are making a new site in this niche using mostly exclusive content.
You'll be very happy with the rebills on this site , hit the link in my sig.

fraggle 05-02-2005 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Huggles
Isn't it illegal and dangerous to film real voyeur content?

Not if your carefuland display a disclaimer on the pay site
Gotto be careful writing copy too but no its perfectly possibly.

fraggle 05-02-2005 08:06 AM

I am surprised that people dont work what could be a clearly very creative reality niche from voyeur.

I just paid for a trial on one site i percieve as a competitor and their members index page is has "Updates"
content in the update is come really fucking rough amateur sitting showing a gaping puss to the camera with full lighting....maybe it cost $3-5 bargain basement for thsi set :))
urgh and what the fuck is the point

fraggle 05-02-2005 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Serious-Partner
Well then VoyeurX should be perfect for your project.

http://www.VoeyurX.info converts great on Voyeur , homemade & spy cam traffic!

Also we are making a new site in this niche using mostly exclusive content.
You'll be very happy with the rebills on this site , hit the link in my sig.


Did you mean http://www.voyeurx.info/ ?

I must say that many of those are not close to voyeur pics on the tour (which takes ages to download). POV blow job isnt voyeur in my eyes sorry

BuggyG 05-02-2005 08:42 AM

lots of new shit and updates constantly :thumbsup

Johny Traffic 05-02-2005 09:00 AM

Dude, Im doing something really exciting with Voyeur niche. Im working on it now. Its gonna be very very exciting. I wont go into to much detail here. But the long and short is Im converting a whole floor of a building to look like a hotel, Gym, Sunbeds, bedroom, shower etc etc. With contsantly updated content and 24hour webcams. Its going to really shake things up. There isnt going to be a site like this.

Im just working on it now, its still in the planning stage but is going to be the dogs bollocks

fraggle 05-02-2005 09:22 AM

Johny hit me up when you geta chance

we have a great voyeur site about to go live on the new program - content is awesome :)
sure we can work out some xsells etc

WWC 05-02-2005 09:40 AM

If you think about it...Voyeur was the original reality sites and still strong. People always had curiosity of other people's private lives...before reality sites, voyeur sites were the reality sites...i have owned some of the original voyeur sites since 1995 and they are still some of our top producing sites.

check em out at www.AdultLounge.com

StuBradley 05-02-2005 09:40 AM

I thought that maybe Vince died in a car accident or somethin' :Oh crap It's just getting oversaturated...it happens.

BV 05-02-2005 09:42 AM

We specialize in the Voyeur Niche and our sites convert very very well!
If you haven't sent us your traffic yet it's not too late! We will convert it!

NudeBeachMovies.Com

XrayHunter.Com

PartyGirlUpskirts.Com

BikiniVoyeur

StuBradley 05-02-2005 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johny Traffic
Dude, Im doing something really exciting with Voyeur niche. Im working on it now. Its gonna be very very exciting. I wont go into to much detail here. But the long and short is Im converting a whole floor of a building to look like a hotel, Gym, Sunbeds, bedroom, shower etc etc. With contsantly updated content and 24hour webcams. Its going to really shake things up. There isnt going to be a site like this.

Im just working on it now, its still in the planning stage but is going to be the dogs bollocks

Are you serious? Thats been around for years. :Oh crap

Pleasurepays 05-02-2005 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johny Traffic
Dude, Im doing something really exciting with Voyeur niche. Im working on it now. Its gonna be very very exciting. I wont go into to much detail here. But the long and short is Im converting a whole floor of a building to look like a hotel, Gym, Sunbeds, bedroom, shower etc etc. With contsantly updated content and 24hour webcams. Its going to really shake things up. There isnt going to be a site like this.

Im just working on it now, its still in the planning stage but is going to be the dogs bollocks

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Johny Traffic 05-02-2005 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by StuBradley
Are you serious? Thats been around for years. :Oh crap

Just because a similar theme has been done before, doesnt meen a totally new angle on the same theme wont work again. Just like the facial niche, theres room for loads of different variations on the same theme.

But Im interested in the sites you know of that truly offer real 24hour watching, like a hotel, health club etc. The ones Ive seen so far havnt been great, but I havnt found many, if you could list a few for me that you know have been around for years to check out that would be great :thumbsup

Like I say, I cant go into to much at the moment, what we are planning is very new especialy for our target audiance which will be mainly UK traffic.

Johny Traffic 05-02-2005 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

turrets syndrome?

Pleasurepays 05-02-2005 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johny Traffic
Just because a similar theme has been done before, doesnt meen a totally new angle on the same theme wont work again. Just like the facial niche, theres room for loads of different variations on the same theme.

But Im interested in the sites you know of that truly offer real 24hour watching, like a hotel, health club etc. The ones Ive seen so far havnt been great, but I havnt found many, if you could list a few for me that you know have been around for years to check out that would be great :thumbsup

Like I say, I cant go into to much at the moment, what we are planning is very new especialy for our target audiance which will be mainly UK traffic.

its not being done very well and so many have came and gone since 97' because they don't convert well... and they don't retain. no matter how entertaining and unique you think you are about to be, users aren't going to care. you are hung up on your ideas of what want to sell to people... rather than focusing on what people will buy.


:2 cents:

Penrod 05-02-2005 10:03 AM

Take a look at the original www.voyeurdorm.com

Johny Traffic 05-02-2005 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
its not being done very well and so many have came and gone since 97' because they don't convert well... and they don't retain. no matter how entertaining and unique you think you are about to be, users aren't going to care. you are hung up on your ideas of what want to sell to people... rather than focusing on what people will buy.


:2 cents:

The reason I make pay sites is often because I have the traffic and no where to send it. There is definatly a call for this type of site. I have the traffic already. Do you have alot of UK voyeur traffic, that makes you qualified to say this wont work?

A good site with some time and money spent on it would work well. As far as I can see, I cant see a good site like this, especially one aimed at U.K traffic. But if you know any please share. If I find a good enough one I wont bother making one myself

Johny Traffic 05-02-2005 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Penrod
Take a look at the original www.voyeurdorm.com

Thats a nice looking site, not for my UK traffic, but for the US I expect it sells great, does it?

Pleasurepays 05-02-2005 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johny Traffic
The reason I make pay sites is often because I have the traffic and no where to send it. There is definatly a call for this type of site. I have the traffic already. Do you have alot of UK voyeur traffic, that makes you qualified to say this wont work?

A good site with some time and money spent on it would work well. As far as I can see, I cant see a good site like this, especially one aimed at U.K traffic. But if you know any please share. If I find a good enough one I wont bother making one myself

i have owned 2 big voyuer sites. i know a little about it. i have 3 live chat studios and over 220 employees and have experiemented since 97' with different ways to capitalize further on the resources. so I am a little qualified to talk about traffic, overhead, conversions and more importantly... the cost of having two dozen live cams streaming 24/7 to surfers who don't care and webmasters who just aren't going to be impressed.

i really respect the fact that you have a dream. but thats all it is. its all been done and it has all failed. no one that has done this is going to tell you that you stand a chance. i dont know how many sites have came and went since 97' but it has to be in the 100's from all over the world - there was a time when people were announcing new big voyeur sites every week... Latvia, Moscow, Brazil, Mexico, Costa Rica, Vegas, California Beach House etc etc etc... big houses/whore houses/apartments/saunas with tons of girls, tons of cams, tons of action etc etc etc... people still dont care and they are all gone because it is extremely expensive operate and doesn't sell well.

Pleasurepays 05-02-2005 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johny Traffic
Thats a nice looking site, not for my UK traffic, but for the US I expect it sells great, does it?

how are you going to support all this with your traffic only? you need to lease a location, set up 20 or so cams/computers, servers, buy video software, pay people to work etc etc etc... your overhead will be 10-20K per month before you even get started and you think you have enough traffic to make something like this work? what do you think bandwidth will cost to stream all these live cams? software?

if your site converts at 1:3000 and costs 20K USD per month to operate, do you have enough traffic?

AaronM 05-02-2005 10:22 AM

If anybody is interested, I have a turnkey voyeur video site for sale. 100% exclusive, legal content and a custom CMS that updates the site twice a week. 10 different voyeur cams.

ICQ me for more info.

ICQ 130-823-758

Johny Traffic 05-02-2005 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
i have owned 2 big voyuer sites. i know a little about it. i have 3 live chat studios and over 220 employees and have experiemented since 97' with different ways to capitalize further on the resources. so I am a little qualified to talk about traffic, overhead, conversions and more importantly... the cost of having two dozen live cams streaming 24/7 to surfers who don't care and webmasters who just aren't going to be impressed.

i really respect the fact that you have a dream. but thats all it is. its all been done and it has all failed. no one that has done this is going to tell you that you stand a chance. i dont know how many sites have came and went since 97' but it has to be in the 100's from all over the world - there was a time when people were announcing new big voyeur sites every week... Latvia, Moscow, Brazil, Mexico, Costa Rica, Vegas, California Beach House etc etc etc... big houses/whore houses/apartments/saunas with tons of girls, tons of cams, tons of action etc etc etc... people still dont care and they are all gone because it is extremely expensive operate and doesn't sell well.

What happened to your two big voyeur sites, did they close? Or do you still have them so I can take a look? Maybe I'll remember them. Im genuinley interested. As I say my angle is slightly different (Im not going to go into it here), but Im willing to listen to advice. Did you try and make out it was real hidden stuff, like the Princess Di Gym pictures? Or did the surfer know that the girls knew they where being watched. Like I say Im very interested in anyone who's done something similar, especially someone who it didnt work for. I see sex Spy etc seem to do very well, so I'd like to hear your side. :)

Pete-KT 05-02-2005 10:28 AM

This is a very good site i have seen it and is one of the most voyeur looking sites i have seen out there. If you have the money to spend talk to aaron and check it out. its the only site i have seen that looks so realistic.

Johny Traffic 05-02-2005 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
how are you going to support all this with your traffic only? you need to lease a location, set up 20 or so cams/computers, servers, buy video software, pay people to work etc etc etc... your overhead will be 10-20K per month before you even get started and you think you have enough traffic to make something like this work? what do you think bandwidth will cost to stream all these live cams? software?

if your site converts at 1:3000 and costs 20K USD per month to operate, do you have enough traffic?

If it converted at that rate and cost that much, no I wouldnt have enough traffic. But Im converting much better than that already, with sites not as targeted as I would want. But like I say, you dont actually know what Im planning, its a variation on the theme.

Penrod 05-02-2005 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johny Traffic
Thats a nice looking site, not for my UK traffic, but for the US I expect it sells great, does it?

It does well with UK traffic also.

Been rockin since 1997 with all kinds of traffic. We even set up a Japanese version of the site that did great for over 5 years until the traffic source dried up.

Johny Traffic 05-02-2005 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penrod
It does well with UK traffic also.

Been rockin since 1997 with all kinds of traffic. We even set up a Japanese version of the site that did great for over 5 years until the traffic source dried up.

Was the traffic source Japanese? Or were westerners looking for a Japanese Voyeur site?

TheJimmy 05-02-2005 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BV
We specialize in the Voyeur Niche and our sites convert very very well!
If you haven't sent us your traffic yet it's not too late! We will convert it!

NudeBeachMovies.Com

XrayHunter.Com

PartyGirlUpskirts.Com

BikiniVoyeur


Hey BV, do you give the option to send to an epoch join page on your sites?

just curious...

Penrod 05-02-2005 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johny Traffic
Was the traffic source Japanese? Or were westerners looking for a Japanese Voyeur site?

100% Japanese

Pedronas 05-02-2005 10:42 AM

serious coin have a great voyeur site with own content

BV 05-02-2005 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheJimmy
Hey BV, do you give the option to send to an epoch join page on your sites?

just curious...

Yes we sure do!
In your www.bvcash.com admin click the "support" tab and then select "Biller Prefs". Select Epoch/ Paycom from the drop down menu list and click the "Set Preferred Biller" button.

Also: You can change your membership prices and trial/ no trial recurring/ non recurring options, as well as consoles on/ off etc...

lots of bells and whistles in our custom scripting and you still get your checks directly from Epoch & CCBill :upsidedow

AaronM 05-02-2005 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete-KT
This is a very good site i have seen it and is one of the most voyeur looking sites i have seen out there. If you have the money to spend talk to aaron and check it out. its the only site i have seen that looks so realistic.


Thank you Pete. :glugglug

BV 05-02-2005 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM
If anybody is interested, I have a turnkey voyeur video site for sale. 100% exclusive, legal content and a custom CMS that updates the site twice a week. 10 different voyeur cams.

ICQ me for more info.

ICQ 130-823-758


For anyone that wants to know I've looked at this content and it looks like real voyeur content, not your usual fake stuff.

This stuff is very well done! a very sweet deal for someone that wants to get in the voyeur niche.

Cheers,
BV

fraggle 05-02-2005 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penrod
Take a look at the original www.voyeurdorm.com

nice design though i dont like the mix and generalisation of pics (beach, pools, spy cam etc)

Im sure it will suit the US market most as its slightly party girl esq.

Liek someone said above voyeur is the original reality

My question is why hasntsomeone made a decent reality site which is voyeuristic


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