paysites shave?
 

which paysites do you know that shave.

I think adultrevenueservice.com does http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/mad.gif

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[This message has been edited by MrPanama (edited 08-28-2001).]

If you own a paysite, you must be really stupid 2 shave!
We all know why, just like
adultrevenueservice.com now probably does!

hehehehehehe

I think you better can ask wich paysites don't shave http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/biggrin.gif

I have good answer for you, if they using thirdpart like ccbill and ibill processor they dont shave.


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Sponsors that use a third party credit processor like ibill or ccbill don´t shave.
When the sponsors use their own processing thats when you should be suspicious.
If you don´t wanna get screwed, use a reccuring partnership program with third party processing.

the proccessor companies deny many CC's tho
that drops the sales a lot

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[This message has been edited by Oraklet (edited 08-28-2001).]

Oraklet, third party credit processor do shave too, but you won't notice it that much http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/biggrin.gif

Hey Gompo, Just how do they shave? I'm sure we would all like to know, especially us paysite owners, because we get a little from every sale and if they're shaving it would highly effect us.

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Of course they don´t shave,it´s called scrubbing. I don´t think ibill became the
Nr 1 processor by screwing all their clients.
But if you have proof, hand them over right away :-)

I'm with wizzo and Oraklet (naturally)

I run a small membership site. I love CCbill and the work they do that makes it possible for me to do my job. I never would suspect them - - but it's not because they couldn't do it. I'm sure they could. I'm sure they would even get away with it. It's just not worth it.

The allegations you are making when you take on a specific paysite, mega site, or 3rd party ... are in my estimation the strongest you can make of anyperson. You are essentially calling them out as Liars and Thieves. You better have your evidence to back those words up.

If you don't... Go Fuck Yourself
~Brett

As stated about ibill, same goes for ARS, you don't think we got where we are by screwing our webmasters do you? No, and I don't think the 1000s of people who get checks from us like being called ignorant http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

ARS does not shave. Upfront honesty and integrity is what the program was built upon and what it continues to stive on http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

If you feel otherwise, please contact me via email or ICQ.

Mrpanama?
Nick?
Erwin?
Gompo?

It got awfully quiet in here all of a sudden.

Right On, Marc! Nice of you to stop by and give'm the slap they needed.

~Brett

I havent actually had a bad experience with ARS, just so many people keep telling me they shave...I guess ARS has a bad reputation.

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ARS do not shave? my ass! i already post this on another board and i will said it again cause ARS has been screwing me up, it doent take a retard not to figure it out. Let me ask you if you were to convert 1:200 for 3 days 6 signup aday and then BAM 0:5000 why is that? same thing happened to other people also... or maybe am a lucky guy to get 15 signup in 4 days and then 5 days with ZERO!

HAHAHHAHAHA i droped ARS for GOOD!

am sorry if i offend anybody but its the truth! 4 days 15 signup and 5 day 0 just doent sound right, maybe they dont shave, just their server went down sometimes? well then that alone make them not worth joinning...

Don't tell me this: "Sponsors that use a third party credit processor like ibill or ccbill don´t shave." Totaly false. You can use any CC processor and shave your webmasters. Not if the stats and payout comes directly from the processor, but except for small reccuring programs (when your link code is a ibill or ccbill link), all big sponsors like ARS, who uses ibill, but not directly --- can shave. ARS is the best example. I never ever found a better shaving script other than ARS... you can convert 1:50 straight for one week, and the next one, forget about it... 1:5000 is your new ratio. I'm sending thousands of hits daily, and no other sponsor on this planet act this way, simply because it's not normal. I just tried 2 reccuring programs (no shaving) and it's converting 5x better... but in the end, it's not better because 1 out of 4-5 trials convert. Anyway, the question is "What big pay per signup sponsor doesn't shave?" Look at the 30$ sponsors, join their sites and look at their content... it's a good tip.

If a bad reputation gets us where we are, I guess I'm in favor of that. We continue to grow on a weekly basis with our payout. Our ACTIVE webmaster base grows on a weekly basis. We try our hardest to make money for webmasters and to many, that is apparent. Those that have bad experiences, I apologize, but you can't make everyone happy, even if you try.

Also, if you are going to accuse someone of shaving, better come to the table with solid proof. Not your 'best' guess http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

shit man... you got no explanation for us so dont start with being #1 crap, look at the damn toplist it is a perfect example, the #1 guy all has pure tricks and craps, i dont know what bag of tricks ars got under its nutz but more and more webmasters starts leaving ars, dont think they'll stay #1 for too long, oh yea i change from ars to stiffcash and convert 1:300 so i dont think its my traffic!

Maybe you havnt notice marc but there have been TONS of post about how ars got wierdass stats, like the guy above me said, some week you can have a ratio of 1:200 then 1 week 1:6000, it doent make sense.

What a bunch of morons. So many newbies with opinions of things they know nothing about. I am proud to say that ARS is the 1st sponsor of mine to climb out of the summer slump. It seems like I have a new signup every time I check my stats the last few days - and I check my stats a LOT.

By the way - MrPanama -

Why the fuck are you still in here listing that damn freehun.com as a place to submit galleries. Didn't you have enough of an ass reaming when you first brought it up... not to mention the fact that you have ZERO traffic.

Sorry - I am in a real Pissy mood tonight !!

You blind or sumthin? Didn't you read that my domain name is changing at the end of the month? http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/mad.gif

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You're an idiot. Get a clue.

""You're an idiot. Get a clue.""

And whats my clue buddy?

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teadrinker - before you go getting huffy and puffy, I never said I was #1. I have no clue. You find a service that ranks the size of adult programs, let me know http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif Hell I don't care if we are the biggest or smallest, I just want webmasters to understand we want them to make money - that is the KEY to us making money. No webmasters support, no money.

I'm not trying to be rude here. I'm just saying, I know what happens behind the scenes of ARS. I helped design the code, there are ABSOLUTELY NO tricks or gimicks in there. In fact, once we release ARS Tech 2.5 I think I'll open some of my code for review. There is NOTHING to hide.

We give credit for, decline page back up processor, web900, check, trials, fulls, and alternative processors. We also give one of the largest percentages of exit consoles BACK to our webmasters (in comparison to other programs).

I want to do business with every webmaster out there. I don't want to have a reputation of shaving or being dishonest. ARS has ALWAYS been up front and honest with its webmasters, even at times of their mistakes. We value and take pride in our webmasters since they are our most valuable resource.

TheTruth - I appreciate your words. I know there are MANY others out there that feel as you do. I'm here for you! Working hard to make you even more money.

3rd Generation coming this fall, more sites, more money, more FREE resources.

ARS Tech 2.5 (increased stability and accuracey and room for growth) launces in 3 weeks or so. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

[This message has been edited by Marc De (edited 08-28-2001).]

Fuck, here we go again, a bunch of fuckers saying what they THINK is going on, none of whom have any hard proof whatsoever.

If you don't like a sponsor then just promote one you do like and quit making stupid air-headed accusations that in a court of law you'd be fucking laughed at for.

If you got proof of shaving by anyone (REAL PROOF ASSHOLES, not just what you THINK), then spill it. Let's see the hard evidence. Your stats are not evidence by the way, sometimes the fish just ain't bitin'. (duh)

Otherwise shut the fuck up and get on with business.

Or

Hire a fucking detective to GET hard proof that ANY company is shaving signups, or click-thrus, or their asses, or anything. GET PROOF OR SHUT UP ALREADY

There's your clue. Get it? http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/biggrin.gif
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CDsmith you are a fucking DUMBASS all i want is a FUCKING EXPLANATION! is there any soul on this board getting my need?

i wanna know how can i get 15 signup in 4 day and 0 in 5 days if you cant explain that like then gfy or something i dont want your mumbo jumbo, i dont come to the board rambling on how a sponser sucking, just because their not fucking you, you kiss their asses but its my money and i need my money i got shit to pay, back when am converting 1:210 i was in heaven.

Am sorry for rambling on but am very pissed off rightnow dumbasses wants proof, i shouldn be here and 100 000 other webmasters wouldn complaining why ars been acting up all the time?

Number is is proof!

two phenomena:

you put up a sponsor...it doesn't do anything for the the first couple of days - and then all of a sudden people start biting the 2nd 3rd and 4th days.

my rationalization when this happens... people bookmark. people go thru your site to the paysite... don't know if they want to buy on the first trip. But a couple days late they decide they want that membership(maybe they are hornier...or maybe they jsut have more money). Whatever the reason...they buy...and so sales pop up a couple days after the campaigns were set up.

OPTION 2

Sales start of strong (like in your case) but fizzle out in the second week.

my first rationalization for this event...you have a lot of return traffic... They see the site the first week...They surfers are excited about this never before seen content..and they buy their membership. By the second week...you have gone thru your customer base, paysite is stale and your stats plument.

Well those are just two possible scenarios. There are probably as many reasons for slumps and spikes as their our membership sites.

As you spend more time(12-18 mnths) on your sites... you'll start to see trends. In the meant time, try to be a little more patient with the Veterans in this room... No doubt... there is over 1000 years of Online Adult expierence on this board. It would be a shame to alienate yourself from them.

~Brett
keepin' the peace

Exactly. Case in point: Maxcash
I used to get signups with them every month, but this past month I'm 0:2000, so they must shave, right?

I just get sick of hearing "OH, I'm only 1:1200 this week, my sponsor did shave me!!"
Numbers is NOT proof, numbers is circumstantial at best. There are other sponsors to try, so try em already. The ONLY real beef anyone should have with a sponsor is if they don't PAY you. That is the hardest evidence you'll find, but there again, if you report it then 9 times out of 10 your fellow webmasters will think you are a cheater.

Best to just shut up and get on with business.
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Well, I met Marc and Becky in Vegas...they didn't know me from a hole in the wall but went out of their way to be friendly and helpful. Yes, I'm an ARS affiliate, but suffice it to say I'm not their biggest revenue producer :-) but that didn't stop them from extending themselves for me. I do use their pass-through FPA's on one domain and have been converting about 1:175 pretty steady. I get paid on time.

So, we have good friendly people, converting sites and money that shows up when promised. I haven't seen anything near resembling proof that you morons have a clue what you're talking about. It's not about ripping off you clueless idiots for a lousy 35 dollar signup....big companies have a lot more to lose by doing that than they have to gain by "stealing" from their representatives.

Conversions go up and down. If you were in this business longer than 3 weeks, you'd know that. Just cause I converted Drunkslut at 1:90 last week and it's now 1:250 does that mean that Wizzo went to lunch on all that extra money he pocketed? Get a clue...the people that have longevity in this business trade on their reputations, not by ripping your lame ass off for $35.

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Thanks bud, oh and you need a shave.
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i've had my ups and downs with ARS

just like any sponsor

but unlike a lot of other sponsors, i'm currently deciding on either getting a bass guitar or a camcorder through their reward point system

to go with the DVD player, camera and other stuff
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ARS is one of the best out there. It is amazing how willing people are to accuse others of shaving, because they are 1 out of 200 one week and one out 2000 the next.

That is some crappy evidence.

People jump on the ARS shaving bandwagon when their stats start to suck. I know people doing one out of 50 on ARS. So I guess that is where all the shaving goes to?

Get real - if they wanted to shave - they wouldn't shaft you and help them. Learn something about statistics before posting this crap. Unless you can post the URL you are using, the COMPLETE stats before and after, and your traffic logs - along with the statistical equation you used to figure out that this wasn't due to chance (somewhere around a 95% confidence level is general required) - you have no proof.

If you can't figure it out, you have no evidence. Saying that someone shaves with no evidence is simply unprofessional - it is also actionable when you state it as fact and not opinion.

I have yet to see ONE SINGLE PERSON post these on any boards? Why? Because, if they understood them and could figure it out, they would know it doesn't mean crap.

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I agree that some month its very possible to have bad conversion but am talking about hitting the break goin 200 miles per hour and stop at 0, it doent happen that way.

Here i kept thinking 15 signup in 4 day and now 0!? how HOW HOW!? its frustrating... i thought id found a great sponser, i changed my link and add some dialers and some to stiffy and stiffy convert 1:300, good minute dialers, so like i said its not my traffic thats the problem.

I dont like to accuse anybody of cheating but this stat am getting is just wrong, still no signup 0:6000, am still giving it a chance, maybe ill make a new account then ill get signups again, some people told me to do that =).

Here something iven scaned for ya, look at the date and the stat, tell me what you think, i think you can say that i have the right be to mad and am not lying well maybe not 1:210 but its close hehe

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Teadrinker --

since your latest post here is of a nicer tone, I'll add something here directly to you...

I'm now 0:2400 with maxcash, yet in other months I've been 1:500, 1:400 etc. I would never accuse them of cheating me, and believe me when I say that shaving is just a nice way of saying "cheating". As in, shaving=cheating. Let's call it what it is.

However, I have been seriously thinking of changing a bunch of maxcash links to something else. The reason I haven't so far is because there are a lot of good things about them that I've come to appreciate over the years, one being that they pay like clockwork when they owe you a cheque, and at a time when I was getting cheated by a few sponsors last year, there was my maxcash cheque in the mail right on time. I'm very loyal that way.

I've tried promoting many of their newest sites and promotions, but no luck whatsoever. So, I guess my point is that traffic is funny and unpredictable. Who knows, maybe a few of your trades are getting the signups and you aren't, stranger things have happened.

My bottom line is that I never accuse without solid proof.

As for maxcash, I'll give them another few weeks probably, maybe try some different strategies with them, and see how it goes. I hate giving up on something that's been good to me for a long time.

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CDsmith the only reason am using heavy tone is because you started being rude to me first, calling me fuckers that think he knows everything... but anyway with you things change by month but for me its by days, its a totally diffrent story, i assume you saw the stat? if you dint go see it, look at the date and you'll know what i mean.

As a sponsor, I can tell you there will always be severe ups and downs...

I've seen it in my own program...webmasters sending 5 signups a day for a few days, then POOF, nothing for a month, then BAM right back...all with pretty close to the same amount of traffic...

If you constantly get your traffic from the same sources, you should always change your sponsors out every couple weeks, keep rotating in and out...If all your traffic comes from the Hun, check and see what sponsors the upper links are using...that can have an effect on your stats as well...

as for ARS, we've had great success using them on our exit consoles...2-3 consoles deep and we were seeing 1:900-1:1200 and that's EXIT traffic...if that's shaving, then whip out the razor blades...

We've rotated out sponsors always keeping our stuff fresh, but ARS almost always outperfrms the others...the only one I've seen convert better is Nakkidnerds.com (no we don't own the site, but we make a hell of a lot of money with them...sure would like to buy that site...if anyone knows the gal who runs it and can put in a good word for me, let me know...LOL ;)))

So, Marc, keep up the good work :)




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Per signup sponsors will shave you until they make money out of your traffic. If your traffic sucks (lets say shitty TGP traffic : your trials are converting to full membership at a 25% rate) expect to be shaved up the ass . OR, they will kick you off their program
If they dont make money, you dont make money. Its that simple . If you look at the bottomline , they shave you so both of you can stay in business .

The solution ? decrease payouts. But in this war between sponsors to attract webmasters none of them can afford to lower the so common 35$+ per signup commision

And you have what as proof and know this how?