Designers: Design Whores?
 

Not trying to be a dick or anything....

BUT have any of you noticed the rediculously low prices some designers are putting on their spec sheets??

Even though I am not looking for work, I am kinda pissed by this as a fellow designer, because others suffer..

One person for example has tour pages for $100 for a short tour, and $200 for a long tour. Now admitedly these are not super site quality tours.. but for christs sake.. At least use numbers that are somewhat within the margins of industry standard pricing..

There's a difference between being competative and being a total whore.. There's also circumstances such as being new and cutting breaks to get into the market.. Theres also people who know how much their ideas and concepts are worth to companies..

But to make hard firm prices that low on your portfolio :disgust ...
Call me a dick, but this is my :2 cents:



Any Serious comments on this?

the ones with the insanely low prices usually suck... unless they're from some third world country... like canada.

99% of their shit is copied either directly or indirectly from something else..

hell, this applies to most of the bigger design houses as well..
999 barely different variations of the same two design formulas they didn't even come up with in their portfolio with a different color scheme applied.

people that are serious about their shit stick with those designers that know what the fuck they're doing (there aren't many)... even if the work isn't as "pretty" as some others.

Bro think of it like this... Most of this industry is unproffessional as it is... What makes you think they are gunna be any different in this case. Someone gets a copy of photoshop and they become a designer. Next thing you you you have clients coming up to you asking for a quote on a job. And then they turn around and say, well so and so will give it to me for X amount lower then you.

Its all bullshit. The rats will never go away.

$8.00 banners yaheard? lol

Well, theres always competetive pricing and bargaining.. thats a game of life.. but to put your prices at rock bottom, thats pathetic, and fucks it up for others who work hard to make money..

$100 tour, and charging $20 for an animated banner? Where the fuck is the logic in that?

The only logic you will find is someone who hired 50 mexicans for 2 beans an hour pumping tours out like crazy.

A lot of times you have high school kids doing this to dodge a BK or McD job, $100 is mucho dinero to these folks :2 cents:

what you all said :D

nice post :2 cents:

yeah, I'll do deals for repeat clients, but I keep my std prices normal on my site.

Funny thing is I keep raising my prices
:glugglug

I list some great designers on my own design site, not just people I like but tried and true designers with a good rep.

If your good there is tons of work to be done.
Fakers ruin themseves but it takes a few people a while to learn to go with consistant and experienced guys.

SO when I see a post about how shitty a designer is I already know the story pretty much I've read em millions of times and 9 times out of 10 it is the whinners fault for cutting corners on things they want to get done.

on the other hand, there are a lot of people who call themselfs designers and ask redicilously high prices for crap :winkwink:

Lol.. very true, but those people at least don't drive the market into the dirt because they fool people into thinking that is competative pricing...

part of economic globlization.....price/competition transparency ..most of these cheap prices come from countries where $200 dollars is worth alot.

i think most of the time you get what you pay for :2 cents:

You money grubbing whore :winkwink:

outsourcing definately sucks

I charge ridiculously high prices for crap.:winkwink:

I know what you're talking about, but to be good at what you do, and to charge $100-$200 for a tour, when you could easily get $400-800 per tour? Is that logical?

Even if in a country where $100 = $1000 for someone who may be slave trading designers all day long they should have a sense of how much more they could make all day long even if they raised their prices to just beat standard pricing...

But some of the shit you won't give away or sell, so people have to steal it.. :Graucho

True, I know my pricing isn't too high but it is a result of my own success.
When I started out with designing I wasn't sure if people would like my work so I asked prices like 350 for a compete sitedesign. Since than I raised my pricing due to me going fulltime and bad dollarrates and ofcourse because of the increase of the quality.

Now I charge $550 for the same package and still people tell me I should raise my prices allthough I think they are good compared with the quality. I am fully booked for this month, working on a huge project and making a nice living of it.

Bottom point is, I don't think I can raise my prices much more as I think I would get way less orders. But maybe with the next update of my site they will be a bit higher again :)

Q.

True true..

Ka-ching :Graucho

You are a victim to the usual artist mentality: Most people think they want more money than they really do, and settle for a lot less than they could get

wait till $5 submissions teaches his crew to design. then you will all be fucked.

Kind of reminds me of Web Hosts eh? All these loser hosts on here reselling and overselling gigs for 20cents and shit. What a laugh and it kills real business.

i agree - even if you do need to undercut everyone else, why not undercut them 20%? why 80 or 90%? you're keeping yourself from making that money.

the same thing happens in other areas. i used to hahahahaha stories for people, and i charged less than other people, but enough so i was comfortable. then this guy comes along and he hahahahahas custom stories for $8. well, fuck - i sure don't plan to charge $5.

:helpme

Totally agree with you.

I wouldn't call them whores though; maybe more like fast food service workers. Working for minimum wage cranking out shit design that's the equivalent to a mass-produced microwavable burger.

I am amazed in general at how low adult design prices are in relation to mainstream graphic and web design. Anybody with half a brain knows that good design costs good money.

If you hire somebody to work for min wage, you might as well fire up Photoshop and throw something together yourself.



:2 cents:

They don't feel they're worth anymore, and well.. most of others as well I'd imagine...
I would personally never buy stuff if I could do it better myself, no matter how cheap. But that's the designer in me talking. .lol

..oh, and I bought those $8 stories, they were worth it.. and I couldn't hahahahaha those :) Sorry hun.

You get what you pay for...

simple as that...

lol...i just read this thread again.. and then this got posted...right in the spirit of things :1orglaugh
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=272123

Not always :winkwink:

Why list prices?

Media 95 % of the big players would pay 4k $ for a great converting tour even tough prices are lower . Money isn't everything . When you become big, the small differences in a good tour and an EXCELLENT tour becomes so big (hundread $s a day) that they MUST get good service .

You can't go nowhere without a good tour so anybody that get fooled will just waste 200 $ .

Nop I just whored myself . I did a design that I tought would take me an hour ... it's been 6 now .

I charged 100 $ . I gave a very good service to the guy and he's quite happy so that's what matter .

thing is simple
some one lives in LA and someone lives in india or russia
someone needs 6k to live ok in his area
and someone can have 3-4k per month and will be happy with it for sure

that's market in the 21 century

best thing in this situation everyone has his own clients
mikew is booked up with his own clients
webinc bluedesign and ryan with their own
and there is also enough space for small companies and individuals like shima from www.gold-design.com
quashe from www.adultdesignstudios.com or me :glugglug

True, business is better than ever and I have to turn down offers due to me being fully booked.

Btw low pricing doesn't nessecarely mean low income :glugglug


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