Why do TGP and MGP owners think their god?
 

I'm a submitter so I have no answer but I read your rules and your attitude tells me you think your more than you are.

Do you think you are god? (don't bother answering if you are going to say yes... we already know you have a small penis, there's no point in proving it)

If you are a submitter, to you they are more than god... they're your source of income.

Exactly.

I submit, and TGPs may have wacky hard to follow rules sometimes, but to me that is simply eliminating most of the shitty posts anyways and paves the road for more income for me.

Hail TGPs.

Sort of true..Its a 50/50 world. With out submitters TGP's would not have...well, submissions, and vice versa.

WRONG!!! Guess again....













Hosted Galleries :thumbsup

Which is why the TGP will just post there own galleries :)

It's not really a 50/50 world anymore.

Sponsor galleries, list only their own galleries, 100% partner account submits, paid spots and Choker's gallery spots.

A lot of ways to eliminate the "regular" submitter.

i dig your name....

i bet i know what your friends call u when you're stoned =)

Hosted galleries only go so far. 90% of BIG TGP's dont use only hosted galleries. The "big" TGP's domt want to have that same galleries as everyone else.

The ones that do use only hosted galleries are nothing more than CJ2 trade sites. :2 cents:

That used to be very true. However, right now the enormous increase in the amount of hosted galleries makes them more of an option each day. You can now easily create a database of thousands of hosted galleries and just put them on sites randomly. It saves HUGE amounts of time.

TGP and MGP owners are more than god to me?

hahahahahaahhahaha :1orglaugh

Oh sorry, you were serious. I hope I didn't hurt your feelings.


Anyway... yes, they do post my galleries and I make money from it, that is true. HOWEVER, they need us just as much as we need them. You give us the above, we give you income by paying for your paid spots. We also give you traffic by putting your recips on our galleries with other places.

Who is going to come and see your shit site if we don't give you good galleries? You can put your own on there if you want but how much time do you want to spend making galleries? Are you going to make 20 or 30 a day to fill your site? Don't think so.

Oh? Going to use places like lightspeed to fill the empty spots? Ah, k, how many times do you think a user is going to look at your similar galleries before leaving your crap site for someone else's?

Face it.... you need us. You don't want to admit it, but you need us just as much as we do.

Most of the harsh rules come from experiences with dishonest, cheating, redirecting submitters. Try running one yourself for a few months and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Now for those that demand every one of your galleries contain a certain banner to THEIR sponsor with THEIR link codes .... well .... I won't make an excuse for them :D

I take it your only source of income is tgp submitting? You better be prepared for some interesting times :1orglaugh

LOL :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

True, there all lots and lots of hosted galleries there. However, how many of them can you say convert really well? There are only a handfull of sponsors that have galleries that convert, the others suck.

Im not saying that it has NOT had an impact on gallery submitters, it has, but not as much as everyone sais. Like I said there are only so many hosted galleries to go around. The "big" TGP's would much rather have origional galleries and keep their surfers coming back than not.

Whats really ironic about this topic and my argument is that I build and sell hosted galleries to many sponsors...now those convert, lol.

Peace,
Ray

Dude, they are like 25000-30000 total hosted galleries available now :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Dude, wake up to reality.. no offence.. but submitters are not needed AT ALL for a TGP site to run..

Do you think its hard to make say 200 gallery templates, then buy content and make 5k galleries out of that? dude with a good script its fucking cake.. it will take maybe a couple days and a little money.. then rotate your galleries and you are done.. then just hire some people to make more templates for you, buy more content.. and continue.. you could have over 20k galleries... most TGPs have the same content anyways.. so its not like it will be any more saturated then it already is..

But even with hosted galleries that convert badly, income is better than from regular submitters. Plus, it is not nearly as much hassle. Managing galleries for 100 TGPs that only list hosted galleries takes one week of work up front, and then you're pretty much done with the right software (cronjobs do updates).
Much more time is left for promotion and such that way...

Would the "real" TGP owners please stand up

If you really think traffic from recip links matter then you are very mistaken.
It's a really tiny source of traffic.

Without you the TGPs still have traffic. Without the TGPs you have nothing.

Thank you Ray.

I may have just woke up but I wasn't just born. I know there is an unlimited amount of hosted galleries out there.

If the owners are so great and we are so little (counting my days in this industry? me thinks not), then why don't you close down your submission page right now?

Everyone is god on their own site.

Amen.

Lots of big TGPs already did that.......

Name them

Besides... I didn't post a message to piss people off.

We're not so little and we're not so unimportant otherwise everyone would close their submission pages.

Kill the cheaters, respect those that try to follow your crazy ass rules. (some are valid... but you were stoned when you made up the other ones)

I think tgps that have less than 50k traffic should have standard rules and nothing more, in my opinion they shouldnt even require a recip.
A 50k tgp sends you like 10 hits a day, i need to submit to 100 similar tgps to get decent traffic and maybe 1 signup.

Every small tgp owner does think hes god and does think i care about his rules. They must be on crack, theyre a nobody and their site is nothing.

Do they honestly think i know their site or even ever saw the site? No, they are in my dbase and i autosubmit to them.

If your tgp sends more than 1k hits per day i might read your rules, if your tgp sends 5k a day then i will read your rules but might now follow them, if your tgp sends more than 5k a day im willing to adjust a gallery for you and spend more than 10 secs on your site.

:1orglaugh I like this guy :1orglaugh

Finally someone thinking with the correct head.

I own a TGP and I'm always fair with good and honest submitters. I know that some TGP owners blacklist you for nothing (made this experience myself). The big problem is that there is an incredible high number of asshole submitters out there and it's not easy to figure out who you can trust. Some guys submit 50 or more galleries per day. All on different domains, all with differnt email adresses, etc. (and I did use passphrase and email verification!!!). If you would run a TGP and build up traffic and then see that many guys redirect your traffic to dialer sponsors after you've approved them, you would also get crazy after a while.

Use paid hosting, paid content and design absolutely clean galleries. Put recips on top and don't use more than 3 recips per gallery (many TGPs also allow if you only put their recip on it). It's pretty easy. That's the way I make galleries and that's the way you'll get listed.

If you notice after a couple of weeks that some won't add your galleries every now and then, simply ask how to improve it. If you're friendly, you'll get an answer. If you don't get an answer, delete the TGP in question from your submit list.

There are some asshole TGP owners and there are some asshole submitters. That's life, man...

btw.: my personal opinion on recips? You are not responsible for driving traffic to my site. But as I already wrote above: make your galleries the way I recommended and you'll comply with all the different rules.

Hope this helps :)

A little blunt , but I guess you always speak your mind, lol

You got it right.:thumbsup Oh I might add a small will TGP not grow with a bunch of crazy rules, just because the big boys do it and get away with it doesn't mean you can

If you don't respect the fact that a webmaster can set up ANY rules on HIS/HER site, then you shouldn't submit there.
Because of careless people like you, many TGP webmasters had to set up crazy rules...

swingerman, I just added your TGP to my hand submit list. Any posibility to get a partner account?

thx,
Ray

You must be a TGP owner

Lo, before you go complaining, ask around and see if you can review galleries for a TGP for a week or so.

Once you're done cleaning all of the auto-installed crap off of your machine, looking at underage and rape sites, forced into rebooting because of the never-ending popups, had your homepage changed, your search page changed, and your browser redirecting to sponsored directories anytime you attempt to visit a sponsor...
You'll feel a bit differently about those "crazy" rules.

Agreed, thats why there are partner accounts. Oh and, if you run a TGP Id like to apply for a partner account :)

What she said.....

Btw I agree about the hosted galleries. 90% of them are pure and total shit that looks like a one-week newb 'designed' them and they don't convert.
The ones that really make me laugh are the ones with so much hardcore, there's no need for the surfer to click through. You'd think a *sponsor* would have a little more sense than that.

One of the best I've seen:


I got lots of fuckin cheaters recently!!! I have bad new for all these bastards! First, i'm a voodoo follower, and i prayed to my voodoo gods that your cock and balls will wither and fall off in TWO days, so say goodbye to 'em.


:1orglaugh

Understandable and valid points.... but I'm still not going to stand on one leg, hold my breath, rub my belly while patting my head and click submit with my other foot!

(unless you can put your clicks where your mouth is.... then I'll do it without question)