why is asking for ID racism?
 

this is the weirdest fucking thing I've heard in some time.... asking some clown to pull out his ID is racism?

"Democrats argue that the laws are intended to keep poor voters away from the polls because they often have difficulty obtaining identification"

-- well how the fuck do they get Medicare, food stamps, HUD housing? without some prof of identity?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/10/us...w&rref=us&_r=0

The only intent of voter ID laws are to suppress the votes of people who primarily vote democratic. There is almost 0 in person voter fraud.

Because minorities are less likely to have an ID. Poor people are less likely to have car so no driver's license. State ID's can be expensive. Police often take ID's and destroy them or throw them away to hassle people. Minorities have more contact with police.

:1orglaugh you are fucking trippin! if you are on welfare they will make sure you get i.d. illegals have been doing this since sb 1070 and plain i.d. is half or more than a drivers

seriously..... right?

the amazing 'kreskin arock10'... now if you would just skip over the model east, read all their minds and sort those issues out we would be appreciative :thumbsup

What. .

It's one of the weirdest things I've EVER heard.

The only people in the United States without some form of ID are homeless bums with mental issues.

You HAVE to have an ID for everything you do. You can't rent an apt. without an ID.
You can't even live in a govt. subsidized (welfare) home without ID.
You can't have electricity without an ID.
You can't have a bank account without an ID.
You can't get a job without an ID.

As for "voter fraud" being "non-existent".
Uhmmm, that's because YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHOW ID, so therefore they have no idea if it's happening or not.

They try to make sure it doesn't. But if everyone voting had to show some form of ID, then it would ensure the integrity of the vote.

As for arock10 and other people who share the opinion that "minorities" don't have ID and their vote would be "suppressed":
I'd say that you are perpetuating the idea that somehow minorities are too stupid and/or weak to be able to do the simplest things.

And as I already pointed out...they DO have ID anyway.

To me that whole argument against showing ID because it is unfair to the poor, stupid minorites is: racist.

You're basically saying that other races (minorities) are inferior and unable to do the simplest and most basic things (like getting an ID).

I think that minorities (citizens, not the Democrat Party shills on t.v.) would tell you to "fuck off", they are NOT stupid and DO have ID.

Who doesn't have id? Someone without a drivers license, bank or checking account, government aid, a library card, gas/electric. Did I miss anything?

edit: Never mind Robbie covered it better above.


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In a lot of states if your an adult it's the law for you to have an ID and carry it on you.

It appears a former US congressman didn't have ID
 

Former Speaker of the US House of Representatives had trouble getting a voter card as he had no ID, was 90+ so he no longer drove
A lot of senior citizens in the same boat

http://www.usatoday.com/story/onpoli...eaker/3422047/

A lot of senior citizens in the same boat -11% of all US adults without ID

http://www.aarp.org/politics-society...americans.html

You are confusing minority with the stereotype of an innercity black welfare mother. I understand why but the picture is a bit bigger.

its not about that. they are trying to make a way for illegals to vote! :2 cents:

Yeah, I agree. And they are using the "minority/racist" card in order to do it.

Not wanting to start any big political fight. But the only party that would benefit from illegal's voting would be the party that offers all the social welfare "goodies".

And that's why that party's political pundits are pushing so hard against it. And it's the reason that the other party is pushing for it.

Neither side really gives a damn about "fairness" in the elections. If they did, they would remove all the restrictions that make it almost impossible for a third party candidate to get on the ballot and/or get elected.

It's all about their own power on both sides. Reality is...we should have to show ID.

The ultimate hypocrisy is that Democrats said that forcing people to show ID is "racist"...
while at the same time you could NOT get into the Democrat Party Convention without: showing your ID.
How fucking "racist" of them. :1orglaugh

Yea just like everyone working at mcdonalds is 16. Just cause you see it or think it doesn't mean it's actually true

I would agree with this.

No, because I'm smart and worldy and have a mind to think for myself..that's what makes it true.

You should try that sometime in political discussion.

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Sorry I just stick to the facts, I don't just think stuff up and say its true because it makes sense to me.

How Widespread is Voter Fraud? | 2012 Facts & Figures


Here are the facts:
? To date, 46 states have prosecuted or convicted cases of voter fraud.
? More than 24 million voter registrations are invalid, yet remain on the rolls nation-wide.
? There are over 1.8 million dead voters still eligible on the rolls across the country.
? More than 2.75 million Americans are registered to vote in more than one state.
? True The Vote recently found 99 cases of potential felony interstate voter fraud.
? Maryland affiliates of True The Vote uncovered cases of people registering and voting after their respective deaths.
? This year, True The Vote uncovered more than 348,000 dead people on the rolls in 27 states. ◦ California: 49,000
◦ Florida: 30,000
◦ Texas: 28,500
◦ Michigan: 25,000
◦ Illinois: 24,000

? 12 Indiana counties have more registered voters than residents.
? The Ohio Secretary of State admitted that multiple Ohio counties have more registered voters than residents.
? Federal records showed 160 counties in 19 states have over 100 percent voter registration.
? The Florida New Majority Education Fund, Democratic Party of Florida and the National Council of La Raza are currently under investigation for alleged voter registration fraud.
? True The Vote is Chuck Norris approved.

How popular is Voter ID?
? 74 percent of Americans support, according to The Washington Post.
? 71 percent of Latinos support it, according to the PEW Research Center

http://www.truethevote.org/news/how-...-facts-figures

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I was skeptical till I saw Chuck Norris supported it

Lots of stats there, but the only one I saw that meant anything was the whole "99 cases of POTENTIAL voter fraud". Out of hundreds a of millions. This is a non issue merely here to cut down on democratic votes.

Another Democrat party foolish appearance.

there are very few cases because voter fraud is probably difficult to prove... and it has a "victimless crime" feel to it, so there is very little motivation and many political obstacles to try to chase down these vote fraud-sters...

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Don't vote, it only encourages them... :winkwink:

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man you guys are really and truly fucked.... the world is against you right? every fact is lie made up by the 'republicans/tea party'? no democrat would ever lie or distort facts? pres Obama has done nothing wrong even though members of his administration are 'taking the 5th' and Holden tells everybody to mind their own business... Obama care is the very best thing in the world even though congress made themselves exempt, in fact Obama made himself exempt.. ... keep using drugs bro... you'll get it sorted out

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here's how the world shakes out for you I guess.. about 10 years ago there was a big case of voter fraud in orange county with illegal Vietnamese voting in local elections... HOWEVER the investigation was halted because ... well people like you..... demanded that the investigation be stopped BECAUSE it was targeting minorities... sorta like looking for explosives in the USA via 'unconventional methods' was spotlighted for targeting Muslims... for.... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I can't keep up.. In one topic people are complaining that
Obama wants to create a internet ID, then in this topic the same people are complaining we don't have a voter ID..

Hey I have an idea... Lets just put chips in everyone's arm or give them bar code tattoos so we can just get it all over with.

Has anyone ever worked at a bar? Umm fake ID's are pretty fucking easy to get.. If someone is determined to vote more than once, checking a drivers license is not going to stop them.

Lets not even mention the biggest reason there is no mandatory voter ID but rather a voting card is to allow anonymous voting to keep voter intimidation from happening..

Also how is checking someone's ID going to stop them from using the exact same ID with a forged voters ID card at another polling both? Do you guys that support checking ID's also support collecting everyone's information into a data base? In that case how do you plan to weed out duplicate names?

Should we just expand govt some more? How we going to pay for it raise taxes?

Why do you all think it's some conspiracy, some scheme designed to "steal elections"?

It sounds like it's common sense... right now some Chinese tourist could very easily vote, as could some 16 year old kid, as could some illegal immigrant who just ran across the border 2 days earlier, etc...

isn't that ridiculous that something like that could happen easily with no fake ids, no hoop jumping at all, etc?

I see no issues with having to show your ID to vote. Sounds like common sense to me.

Then again, here in California police are no longer allowed to ask for your insurance papers when you pulled over because it's an invasion of privacy.

Of course, just some people are stupid..

Didn't you just prove the point that voter fraud doesn't exist? 4 states didn't find one case to prosecute.

Those examples are likely to vote Democrat. In MN you need to show some ID, proof of residence or a neighbor so it is not like they just let anyone vote. The democrats need to let this one go. the elderly are probably more likely to be Republican so in all honesty it is probably a push versus a done deal. The real person who couch surfs and works construction with no driver's license is also unlikely to vote so no one really looses the "homeless".

I do find it odd that Republicans are on the side of more Govt involvement and registration and Democrats are trying to keep them out of our business. Politics makes strange bedfelllows. :disgust

Not sure why some of you talk about "there is no vote fraud NOW" so it is all good. There is no fraud because you have to provide and ID. There would be if you had not. So not sure what advocates are trying to prove with that "there is no fraud" argument.

No a Chinese Tourist couldn't vote.. You still have to have a voters ID card and if you don't have one, then you have to vote on a provisional ballet which in a presidential election is not even counted until well after the winner is announced. They then match the names from the provisional ballot to the voters registry. Meaning it would do nothing but drag out the election process.

This whole deal is a non issue as showing a ID will not really solve anything. So if they don't have a ID and they claim they have the right to vote, then guess what.. They still vote on a provisional ballot just like if they didn't have a voter id card.

Meaning showing a ID does absolutely nothing, but create more provisional ballots.

I have no real issue with showing a ID, but a drivers licence doesn't cut it, because it doesn't change anything. The only way to fix anything is have a actual real voter registration ID.

The only way to do that is to create even more government and spend even more money. The only sensible way to do it would be to make a social security/voters ID.

The whole drivers license non sense is just a waste of time and would change nothing, but hey it lets republicans bitch and moan and still not solve anything. Which is pretty much all they ever do.

What facts? What the fuck are you talking about.

That's why I hate talking to some of you. YOU are repeating made-up shit you hear or read and stating it as "fact"

Well why don't you tell me your facts with this question:
How many legitimate adult citizens in the United States do NOT have any kind of ID.

Tell me.

I'll be waiting for you facts.

Fucking dumbest shit I've ever head someone say to me.

Democrat fanboys, polit correcters, guilters, anti whiters and similar usually tend to be hipsters, artists, softies and so on. Meaning they do not follow cold logic, they are just emotional. That is why it is often pointless to argue with them.

Well as I pointed out earlier...
You can not do the following things unless you HAVE an ID:
Buy a car
Have a place to live (not even in a welfare/govt. subsidized place)
Get electricity turned on
Get water turned on
Get a phone
Get a job

Now how the FUCK can there be any real amount of legal adults who are not mentally handicapped and have a life (place they live, car they drive, phone, electricity, water) that do NOT have any kind of an ID

That's what kills me with what arock10 just said to me.

Doesn't he think things through?