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The Porn Nerd 05-24-2013 09:24 AM

No Sales For 12 Hours? WTF??
 
Traffic coming in, steady as always, no sales in almost 12 hours.

WTF???

Penguin 2.0-related or Memorial Day Weekend-related?

NaughtyRob 05-24-2013 09:30 AM

Stats delayed perhaps?

Harmon 05-24-2013 09:38 AM

Confucious once said, "Sometimes man lose... sometimes Manwin..."

Fat Panda 05-24-2013 09:41 AM

sometimes that happens...drink 20 beers and smoke a fat doobie.

once you come back to reality sales will be back too

The Porn Nerd 05-24-2013 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaughtyRob (Post 19638957)
Stats delayed perhaps?

Doubt it but let's hope - 12 HOURS (at this point) is unheard of and statistically virtually impossible. LOL


Quote:

Originally Posted by Harmon (Post 19638972)
Confucious once said, "Sometimes man lose... sometimes Manwin..."

Hahaha!! Damn that old Chinese dude may be on to something....:D


Quote:

Originally Posted by SAC (Post 19638974)
sometimes that happens...drink 20 beers and smoke a fat doobie.

once you come back to reality sales will be back too

Too early for drinkin' but never too early for doobies (tho 'wake 'n bake' is not my fave thing).

Sometimes huge gaps between sales DOES occur, I know this, but I believe that 12 HOURS is my personal record since making steady sales from August '09 til now. So who knows. I blame the damn Google Penguins!!

xNetworx 05-24-2013 09:59 AM

Need more traffic brah

arock10 05-24-2013 10:07 AM

ah thats why sales are up today :)

dehash 05-24-2013 10:13 AM

It there a "white envy" meaning in English?

ctggls 05-24-2013 10:41 AM

Hey MisterPeabody it's the n-th thread on gfy where you complain that there's no sales over a certain period of time... relax and sales will come...

NaughtyRob 05-24-2013 10:43 AM

I don't get why anyone watches stats on an hourly basis. Maybe daily. For sure weekly.

fitzmulti 05-24-2013 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ctggls (Post 19639073)
Hey MisterPeabody it's the n-th thread on gfy where you complain that there's no sales over a certain period of time... relax and sales will come...

I haven't had any for like 15 minutes and I am fucking pissed! :winkwink:

The Porn Nerd 05-24-2013 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ctggls (Post 19639073)
Hey MisterPeabody it's the n-th thread on gfy where you complain that there's no sales over a certain period of time... relax and sales will come...


Actually it's only my 3rd such thread, and one of them was more of an examination rather than a complaint but your point is well taken. :)


Quote:

Originally Posted by NaughtyRob (Post 19639077)
I don't get why anyone watches stats on an hourly basis. Maybe daily. For sure weekly.

I do NOT look at stats on an hourly basis. That would be obsessive and nuts.

Oh wait......LOL

No, this is from midnight to noon without a single sale. Form hits steady, traffic steady, just never saw zero sales overnight like this, on a Friday. So was wondering if it was because of the Google Penguin 2.0 thing or (more likely) people getting ready for Memorial Day Weekend or even beginning the Holiday early.

I know, I'm obviously nuts to question these things. :D

Roald 05-24-2013 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaughtyRob (Post 19639077)
I don't get why anyone watches stats on an hourly basis. Maybe daily. For sure weekly.

It depends on the amount of sales you make I'd say.

No sales at all in a 12 hour period says a lot about the size of the network and the amount of regular sales Peabody normally gets. So tommorow there could be double the amount of sales and it evens out again.

PornDiscounts-V 05-24-2013 10:53 AM

Midnight to noon can actually mean 9pm for some programs to 3pm for others depending on where you are in the world.

The Porn Nerd 05-24-2013 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roald (Post 19639089)
It depends on the amount of sales you make I'd say.

No sales at all in a 12 hour period says a lot about the size of the network and the amount of regular sales Peabody normally gets. So tommorow there could be double the amount of sales and it evens out again.

Excellent point Roald! PeabodyCash does well over a sale an hour, on average, sometimes 3-4 or more depending on traffic. I have 32 paysites, remember. :D

If the traffic were down I wouldn't say anything, or if there was something up with form hits or processer stats, but it's not any of those things. Maybe just a weird time, that's all.

Oh look - 2 sales came in just now. See? All is well. LOL!!

Roald 05-24-2013 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19639103)
Excellent point Roald! PeabodyCash does well over a sale an hour, on average, sometimes 3-4 or more depending on traffic. I have 32 paysites, remember. :D

If the traffic were down I wouldn't say anything, or if there was something up with form hits or processer stats, but it's not any of those things. Maybe just a weird time, that's all.

Oh look - 2 sales came in just now. See? All is well. LOL!!

What I'm saying is that unless you push a few 100 Join's a day you'll always see fluctuations like this.

So log off, go for a drink and check back on Monday :winkwink:

Have a good weekend :thumbsup

The Porn Nerd 05-24-2013 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roald (Post 19639109)
What I'm saying is that unless you push a few 100 Join's a day you'll always see fluctuations like this.

So log off, go for a drink and check back on Monday :winkwink:

Have a good weekend :thumbsup

Ahhh I got it now. Thanks Roald, I know you know what you are talking about. Not that others in this thread don't, just sayin'. LOL

100's of joins a day.....that's the Goal all right!! :)

ctggls 05-24-2013 11:11 AM

MisterPeabody I didn't meant to sound like I'm criticizing you, it was more like "don't worry be happy".

I would suggest studying this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PID_con...troller_theory

In simple terms life, with everything involved (sales, sex, chick, booze etc) is not a linear function and in fact has a lot of oscillations... or like Heisenberg said it here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle , you can never determine two arbitrary variables with maximum precision ... you either determine one or the other ... you know you have the content but you don't know exactly if sales will come...

No sales in 12 hours may mean that you'll have 24 sales in the next two hours...

(have drank a couple of glasses of wine :D )

Roald 05-24-2013 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19639117)
Ahhh I got it now. Thanks Roald, I know you know what you are talking about. Not that others in this thread don't, just sayin'. LOL

100's of joins a day.....that's the Goal all right!! :)

That's "only" 3 joins per site Pea, should be doable :thumbsup

Keep on working!!!!!

Manfap 05-24-2013 11:25 AM

Is traffic hitting the joinpage? maybe the cc scrubs been raised

The Porn Nerd 05-24-2013 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ctggls (Post 19639124)
MisterPeabody I didn't meant to sound like I'm criticizing you, it was more like "don't worry be happy".

I would suggest studying this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PID_con...troller_theory

In simple terms life, with everything involved (sales, sex, chick, booze etc) is not a linear function and in fact has a lot of oscillations... or like Heisenberg said it here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle , you can never determine two arbitrary variables with maximum precision ... you either determine one or the other ... you know you have the content but you don't know exactly if sales will come...

No sales in 12 hours may mean that you'll have 24 sales in the next two hours...

(have drank a couple of glasses of wine :D )

No offense taken at all! :) I do understand fluctuations and the law of big numbers etc. But getting 24 sales in 2 hours would be as strange as 12 hours with no sales. LOL

This is the very first time, in almost 5 years of doing good, consistent business, that I have gone this long without a single sale while traffic and form hits remain "normal" so I thought it warranted a thread, asking if anyone else has seen this or can explain it as part of a Holiday Weekend trend. I do appreciate the wise answers!!

Robbie 05-24-2013 12:02 PM

RIP Mister Peabody, you had a decent little run but it's all over now.

lol :)

2013 05-24-2013 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19639197)
RIP Mister Peabody, you had a decent little run but it's all over now.

lol :)

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

tony286 05-24-2013 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19639197)
RIP Mister Peabody, you had a decent little run but it's all over now.

lol :)

You are so bad. lol

Sam - Mr. Skin 05-24-2013 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaughtyRob (Post 19639077)
I don't get why anyone watches stats on an hourly basis. Maybe daily. For sure weekly.

It all depends on how much traffic you get and your normal sales volume. I watch our stats nearly incessantly. 12 hours of no sales due to a bug or some other change would cost us a lot of money.

The Porn Nerd 05-24-2013 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam - Mr. Skin (Post 19639258)
It all depends on how much traffic you get and your normal sales volume. I watch our stats nearly incessantly. 12 hours of no sales due to a bug or some other change would cost us a lot of money.

Bingo.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19639197)
RIP Mister Peabody, you had a decent little run but it's all over now.

lol :)

LOLZ Yah, I'm starting the 'wake' now, New Orleans-style WooHoo!!
:thumbsup

PR_Phil 05-24-2013 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19639103)
Excellent point Roald! PeabodyCash does well over a sale an hour, on average, sometimes 3-4 or more depending on traffic. I have 32 paysites, remember. :D

If the traffic were down I wouldn't say anything, or if there was something up with form hits or processer stats, but it's not any of those things. Maybe just a weird time, that's all.

Oh look - 2 sales came in just now. See? All is well. LOL!!

when having a particularly bad period of time, there are a few things I check for, and generally in this order.

1) has there been any downtime? check servers and host, see if anything has been down at all during that period.

2) Physically go to a join page and a pay page, make sure all is working.

3) Check real time traffic, see if something is way off.

if the sites have been up during the period, join page and pay pages are functioning fine, and traffic seems normal, I then

4) Check join attempts, has a normal amount of people been trying to join? if the first 3 were fine, but your join attempts were down quite a bit, you have a situation where things just suck, and chances are your join success ratio is not off by much. But, if you have a normal amount of attempts, but no sales, then there is a chance you have an issue, at that point:

5) check your decline reasons, were they because of over limit cards, fake info, or is your processor spitting back an error.

not sure who you process with or where, but back in the day, Epoch had a stat known as "Epoch Ratio" which was just the number of people who attempted to join over those who were successful. When I had a bad sales hour, or hours, or day, it was the first thing I looked at, if the ratio was off (ratio of 6 to 1 instead of 4 to 1) I called them to complain, if the ratio was normal, I looked internally for an issue.

The Porn Nerd 05-24-2013 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Phil (Post 19639263)
when having a particularly bad period of time, there are a few things I check for, and generally in this order.

1) has there been any downtime? check servers and host, see if anything has been down at all during that period.

2) Physically go to a join page and a pay page, make sure all is working.

3) Check real time traffic, see if something is way off.

if the sites have been up during the period, join page and pay pages are functioning fine, and traffic seems normal, I then

4) Check join attempts, has a normal amount of people been trying to join? if the first 3 were fine, but your join attempts were down quite a bit, you have a situation where things just suck, and chances are your join success ratio is not off by much. But, if you have a normal amount of attempts, but no sales, then there is a chance you have an issue, at that point:

5) check your decline reasons, were they because of over limit cards, fake info, or is your processor spitting back an error.

not sure who you process with or where, but back in the day, Epoch had a stat known as "Epoch Ratio" which was just the number of people who attempted to join over those who were successful. When I had a bad sales hour, or hours, or day, it was the first thing I looked at, if the ratio was off (ratio of 6 to 1 instead of 4 to 1) I called them to complain, if the ratio was normal, I looked internally for an issue.

Thank you so much for taking the time to write and post this! The basic answer to all your questions is 'everything is normal'. I am not seeing an increase in denials, or a decrease in form hits. Looks like a bloody normal day to me! LOL

So it may just be Memorial Day Weekend flucuations, tho this of course does not explain the rest of the world.

But I love your checklist. It is similar to my own! :thumbsup

NaughtyRob 05-24-2013 01:01 PM

Nice list Phil and makes a lot of sense.

Spunky 05-24-2013 01:03 PM

The people are upset with you

PR_Phil 05-24-2013 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19639274)
Thank you so much for taking the time to write and post this! The basic answer to all your questions is 'everything is normal'. I am not seeing an increase in denials, or a decrease in form hits. Looks like a bloody normal day to me! LOL

So it may just be Memorial Day Weekend flucuations, tho this of course does not explain the rest of the world.

But I love your checklist. It is similar to my own! :thumbsup

I forgot 1 thing, never compare today to yesterday.

always compare a Friday to a Friday, or a day of the month like the 24th to a day of the month like the 24th of the previous month.

today has nothing in common with yesterday, but generally lots in common with 1 week ago today.

as far as the 24th to the 24th, you are looking at the times of the month when people get paid, or when people's wives see their credit card bills, then obviously there are circumstances to consider like holidays.

there is a bunch of things to consider with respect to the last part. If your demography is primarily women, they prepare for holidays well in advance, so today is a normal day, if your marketing to guys, they don't prepare and are all packing like mad men today. Here is a more important one, in general, guys surf porn all day, at work, then at home, However many of them only purchase when at home, they surf tubes and sites at work, then join in the evening so they can see the full vids in higher quality when they don't have to be wearing pants. Monday is a stat holiday and people have to work today if they want to get paid for Monday when they are not at work. So a lot less guys at home actually joining, but still surfing from work because they don't actually want to be there today!

in the end, like Roald said, shit happens, but before you accept that, you just need to make sure the shit was not your fault, or the fault of anyone who takes a piece of your pie!

fitzmulti 05-24-2013 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spunky (Post 19639285)
The people are upset with you

Nah....he has cool sites! ;-)

Zeiss 05-24-2013 01:25 PM

Doesn't seem right.

The Porn Nerd 05-24-2013 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Phil (Post 19639306)
I forgot 1 thing, never compare today to yesterday.

always compare a Friday to a Friday, or a day of the month like the 24th to a day of the month like the 24th of the previous month.

today has nothing in common with yesterday, but generally lots in common with 1 week ago today.

as far as the 24th to the 24th, you are looking at the times of the month when people get paid, or when people's wives see their credit card bills, then obviously there are circumstances to consider like holidays.

there is a bunch of things to consider with respect to the last part. If your demography is primarily women, they prepare for holidays well in advance, so today is a normal day, if your marketing to guys, they don't prepare and are all packing like mad men today. Here is a more important one, in general, guys surf porn all day, at work, then at home, However many of them only purchase when at home, they surf tubes and sites at work, then join in the evening so they can see the full vids in higher quality when they don't have to be wearing pants. Monday is a stat holiday and people have to work today if they want to get paid for Monday when they are not at work. So a lot less guys at home actually joining, but still surfing from work because they don't actually want to be there today!

in the end, like Roald said, shit happens, but before you accept that, you just need to make sure the shit was not your fault, or the fault of anyone who takes a piece of your pie!

I've learned this as well, comparing dates. This is especially true when calculating rebills and forecasts.

But agreed, there are so many factors that it is always a challenge pinpointing causes but narrowing things down to "what you can control" vs. "what others control and you do not" is a perfect way to look at things. This is why, ultimately, I take the 'go grab a beer and chill' advice to heart the most because I know "my shit" is all working properly. :)

(Sales returning to normal, too.)

DWB 05-24-2013 02:05 PM

Jammin' over here. They must have passed yours to us. ;-)

rastan 05-24-2013 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19639117)
Ahhh I got it now. Thanks Roald, I know you know what you are talking about. Not that others in this thread don't, just sayin'. LOL

100's of joins a day.....that's the Goal all right!! :)

high fives! Yes indeedy. Looking forward to that day alright!!

Major (Tom) 05-24-2013 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roald (Post 19639109)
What I'm saying is that unless you push a few 100 Join's a day you'll always see fluctuations like this.

So log off, go for a drink and check back on Monday :winkwink:

Have a good weekend :thumbsup

Exactly. Today though there is a high decline rate across all mids.
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