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dirtymind 10-05-2009 03:32 PM

free trials, worth it or not?
 
We are looking at offering free trials to get even more to see what we have to offer. Our paid trials are doing ok but not that extreme well as we would have hoped they would do. We can offer the free trials without any problems, but i would it help, i also see a lot of 1 dollar trails, but then i thought why not go free trials.

What is is your view on this?

thanks

tabasco 10-05-2009 04:23 PM

As an affiliate I have always done better with $1 trials than free. I think maybe completely free makes the surfer (more) suspicious.

Loch 10-05-2009 04:27 PM

i would think $1 would sort out the cheapskates not willing to ever pay anyways....

d-null 10-05-2009 06:19 PM

I prefer low price trials over free, but often think that a $20 full membership with no trial might still be the better way to go

Adraco 10-05-2009 06:26 PM

You want to check so that the customer has a creditcard and can pay later. Also, if he doesn't cancel the free trial, charge him for an automatic subscription. You want all to be setup at first, when he's still eager to join, because he sure isn't going to whip up the CC after three days - or at least, most won't. But many enough will be lazy and let an existing subscription just carry on.

VIPimp 10-05-2009 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tabasco (Post 16397669)
As an affiliate I have always done better with $1 trials than free. I think maybe completely free makes the surfer (more) suspicious.

Yep, I've seen the same results.

fatfoo 10-05-2009 09:54 PM

Hard to make money by giving away trials free, isn't it. But test it out, see how it goes.

thaifan99 10-05-2009 11:43 PM

Using short teaser clips that lead to the free trial join page works for me. Get them so horny (but not enought o bust a nut) and they just need to see more!

dirtymind 10-06-2009 09:40 AM

well it are free trails with ccbills, they have to use their cards.

I was thinking that they would be interested and then would be too lazy to cancel their membership.

I see many offering them, but as many as use to. maybe it is not working that well as many thought it would.

andrej_NDC 10-06-2009 10:06 AM

$1 works better than $0.

fuzebox 10-06-2009 10:08 AM

But with free trials you can preauth the full membership price, and just capture the transaction 2-3 days later... With $1 trials you are charging $1, and potentially paying a PPS on a card without the balance to rebill :2 cents:

Cash 10-06-2009 10:40 AM

There are only a few sponsors offering now free trials, this means something ...

Darby 10-06-2009 10:43 AM

:thumbsup
Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 16400973)
But with free trials you can preauth the full membership price, and just capture the transaction 2-3 days later... With $1 trials you are charging $1, and potentially paying a PPS on a card without the balance to rebill :2 cents:


Ross 10-06-2009 10:44 AM

Always converted $1 better than free.

andrej_NDC 10-06-2009 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 16400973)
But with free trials you can preauth the full membership price, and just capture the transaction 2-3 days later... With $1 trials you are charging $1, and potentially paying a PPS on a card without the balance to rebill :2 cents:

Yeah, from a program's point of view, its better. They get less joins with more value for their PPS payouts. The affiliate would make less, though.

The Porn Nerd 10-06-2009 11:01 AM

I used to offer $3.95 2-day trials. Got a BUNCH then POOF! They stoppeed cold.
So I tried an odd trial: $7.95 5-day trial. ZERO signups.
Bottom line (IMHO): If someone is going to buy then they will pay the full price; anyone who does a 'trial' is either not a serious buyer or someone who wants to download the entire member's area for two bucks (and maybe throw all your shit onto the tube sites or torrent sites).
THEREFORE: fuck trials.

XMaster 10-06-2009 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tabasco (Post 16397669)
As an affiliate I have always done better with $1 trials than free. I think maybe completely free makes the surfer (more) suspicious.

i concur.
my ratios on free trials suck. Always.

B2BwithJoeD 10-06-2009 12:14 PM

Europeans Billing Europe!
 
Check with your sponsors. Webbilling offers sponsors the ability to offer free and paid trials on direct debit non-card joins for Germany, Austria, Netherlands, Spain and the United Kingdom - if you are sending this country-traffic to sponsors only accepting credit cards you are losing money...they need Webbilling.com to capture every join...:)

To the question - I am seeing more sponsors opting for low paid trials recurring in 3-30 days than free trials...

Pics Traffic 10-06-2009 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tabasco (Post 16397669)
As an affiliate I have always done better with $1 trials than free. I think maybe completely free makes the surfer (more) suspicious.

Thats because most "free trials" come with 39.99 charge from some company in Gibraraltar and has to be disputed thru your bank.

rowan 10-06-2009 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 16400973)
But with free trials you can preauth the full membership price, and just capture the transaction 2-3 days later... With $1 trials you are charging $1, and potentially paying a PPS on a card without the balance to rebill :2 cents:

Is that permitted? Even though it may not be settled it still reduces the card's available balance. :2 cents:

My old Visa Debit card showed up preauths immediately in the online transaction statement, then they'd disappear a few days later if they were not settled. Consider a surfer seeing a charge for $40 right after he does a "free" signup... or someone going for the free option because they've only got $50 left on their card which they need tomorrow to buy groceries... oops, they don't have $50 left now...

dirtymind 10-06-2009 01:09 PM

ok i got to make something clear. we are not running an affiliate program, this is going to convert our own traffic not that of an affiliate
i understand it would not be good for affiliate and also not for sponsors when they have to pay 20 bucks on a trial they have made nothing on.

dirtymind 10-06-2009 01:11 PM

its seems that cecash always has done good on their free trails and so has weg cash. Both sponsors i am still making good money with.

andrej_NDC 10-06-2009 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 16401211)
I used to offer $3.95 2-day trials. Got a BUNCH then POOF! They stoppeed cold.
So I tried an odd trial: $7.95 5-day trial. ZERO signups.
Bottom line (IMHO): If someone is going to buy then they will pay the full price; anyone who does a 'trial' is either not a serious buyer or someone who wants to download the entire member's area for two bucks (and maybe throw all your shit onto the tube sites or torrent sites).
THEREFORE: fuck trials.

Nope...you can triple your sales with trials. And there is such a thing like limited members area, where you just tease the surfer, if its made right, 50% will go for full. So compared to only offering fullies, you make 50% more money.

dirtymind 10-06-2009 04:23 PM

any more thoughts?

tammix 10-06-2009 04:59 PM

I would offer together what my best programs do:
Option 1: $2.95 (or $4.95) for 3-day trial
Option 2: $29.95 full month
You serve both customers, the one that trusts a trial and the one that doesnt hehe

Zombaio_Tomas 10-06-2009 06:23 PM

You should also consider the high CB risk with free trials when they convert. If the user is not willing to spend a few bucks for a trial you don't want him anyway.

The Porn Nerd 10-06-2009 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrej_NDC (Post 16402527)
Nope...you can triple your sales with trials. And there is such a thing like limited members area, where you just tease the surfer, if its made right, 50% will go for full. So compared to only offering fullies, you make 50% more money.

Excellent point. I haven't done those things so my comments were based solely on my experience. But you're right - that would be a cool thing. More work for li'l ol' me, but a good idea. I've seen examples of member's areas that are partially blocked-out - a 'member' can see the other content but can't access it - and then if he upgrades he can see the entire mem area. Is this what you're talking about? :)

RenegadeCash Mark 10-07-2009 12:57 AM

Low priced trials all the way!

dirtymind 10-07-2009 02:07 AM

well guess we are going to offer then all. free trails an low price trails and a full 29.95 membership price. see what does best and how. but we will mainly use free trails to advertise with at certain places.

sexandcash 10-07-2009 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 16401211)
I used to offer $3.95 2-day trials. Got a BUNCH then POOF! They stoppeed cold.
So I tried an odd trial: $7.95 5-day trial. ZERO signups.
Bottom line (IMHO): If someone is going to buy then they will pay the full price; anyone who does a 'trial' is either not a serious buyer or someone who wants to download the entire member's area for two bucks (and maybe throw all your shit onto the tube sites or torrent sites).
THEREFORE: fuck trials.

I can see why you would feel that way with a full access trial. But a trial is just that-TO TRY out the site. At Ass Titans and Clara G we offer a 3 day limited trial for $2.95-he gets access to 3 sets. If he wants more-he has to upgrade his membership. Our trials convert very well for this reason. Why would you give your site away for pennies or worse-for free?

sexandcash 10-07-2009 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 16403544)
Excellent point. I haven't done those things so my comments were based solely on my experience. But you're right - that would be a cool thing. More work for li'l ol' me, but a good idea. I've seen examples of member's areas that are partially blocked-out - a 'member' can see the other content but can't access it - and then if he upgrades he can see the entire mem area. Is this what you're talking about? :)

That's exactly how our members area works.
And it's a great idea to implement for your site.

rowan 10-07-2009 02:39 AM

Still interested in comments about preauth'ing a trial. Seems fishy to me.

'mo 10-07-2009 02:43 AM

I agree with the people above, I have a hard time selling free trials, but $1 trials, they sell great.

starpimps 10-07-2009 02:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowan (Post 16404089)
Still interested in comments about preauth'ing a trial. Seems fishy to me.

There are quite a few businesses that do this.
such as couriers, restaurants and gas stations;
->Do you need a fill up up to $120?
-->YES
--->pump up to $97.58 full tank.

check your avail balance its not -$97.58 but rather -$120
after it settles you get back your $22.42 that you didnt use.

surfer signsup for a free trial and gets a preauth of -29.95 IF he stays a member for the rebill period.
if he cancels it before the trial period is over the preauth goes away and the avail credit goes back to +29.95.

same difference :2 cents:

starpimps 10-07-2009 02:54 AM

i like cheese

GrouchyAdmin 10-07-2009 02:55 AM

I like pie, and fraudulent affiliates not willing to spend thirty bucks on a $50 free join being too cheap to try to fuck me.

rowan 10-07-2009 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by starpimps (Post 16404119)
There are quite a few businesses that do this.
such as couriers, restaurants and gas stations;
->Do you need a fill up up to $120?
-->YES
--->pump up to $97.58 full tank.

check your avail balance its not -$97.58 but rather -$120
after it settles you get back your $22.42 that you didnt use.

surfer signsup for a free trial and gets a preauth of -29.95 IF he stays a member for the rebill period.
if he cancels it before the trial period is over the preauth goes away and the avail credit goes back to +29.95.

same difference :2 cents:

I understand how a preauth works, I'm just trying to comprehend how it could be used for a FREE TRIAL. In the gas scenario the actual transaction amount is known 5 minutes later as you finish pumping, in a free trial scenario the transaction may stay in a preauth state for 2 or 3 days?... How can selling a free trial which reduces your available balance be considered ethical?

starpimps 10-07-2009 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowan (Post 16404126)
I understand how a preauth works, I'm just trying to comprehend how it could be used for a FREE TRIAL. In the gas scenario the actual transaction amount is known 5 minutes later as you finish pumping, in a free trial scenario the transaction may stay in a preauth state for 2 or 3 days?... How can selling a free trial which reduces your available balance be considered ethical?

the tiny TOS print that all the surfers read before they click SUBMIT :Oh crap

dirtymind 10-07-2009 03:25 AM

well to be honest, i think free trails should do great. as a surfer/buyer, i am not just going to buy something that cost me 30 bucks without even looking at what its going to offer me. There are so many members area out there that have shit content inside and their best content on the tour. I don't see why you would pay 1 buck if you can test drive it for like, like with a car.

Our paid trails are doing ok, but i guess more people would be willing to test drive us if it was for free and then stay.

PLus we are offering one day free access, so there no change to download our members area. Also we stream our content in flv, only the content for download is avi. You could think they can rip that with something like free download manager. but we have scripts in place that only let you download one link at a time. you can que them but this way we are sure they can't pull the site in one time.

We do how ever put a script in place that would cut free trails members from downloading our content.

This way its kinda of a limited members area. Our content you can't even download with a harvest tool. :)

iSpyCams 10-07-2009 03:52 AM

I dont think anybody believes there is a "free trial" that asks for CC info. I think that's why paid trials convert better, they are perceived as more honest. Why ask for CC info if you're not going to charge? Not everyone is an idiot. Most, but not all.


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