What I learned in Miami last week
 

From what I saw attendees were mostly program owners or their reps. There were very few pure affiliates there. Seems that the days of affiliates is fast behind us. What big affilaites I talked to there are now pushing thier own programs. There is simply not enough profit to go around. All the deals being made that I witnessed were between program owners. Most of the old time TGP's, MGPS's have lost so much traffic their influence and even their mention at Miami was totally absent. Every program owner either has a tube site or are making one. Funny thing is you have so many program owners on these boards slamming tubes, yet face to face they are lining up to buy traffic from tube sites. And they all know that traffic from tube sites is a gold mine for them.

Our industry is changing for the better I think. Yeah less people have more control and make most of the money. But this evolution was bound to happen sooner or later wasnt it?

An affiliate starting their own program/paysites is just good business though, (and makes more sense than someone without traffic generation experience starting a paysite). I know I moved into paysites just because of the increased earnings per member and monetization opportunities.

Haven't shows been mostly b2b for at least 2-3 years now? I know by the time I started going to them they were.

Good meeting you and spending time with you.

I'm still a pure affiliate. I'd say I rank amongst the top earning affiliates of many programs over the years. I don't go to shows at all anymore. There's nothing in it for me at all.

I don't really want to hang out with a bunch of drunken retards, most of them "affiliate managers" with really nothing to offer. I'm certainly not going to pay for the honor. Porn conventions are kind of like being backstage at a strip club: There's lots of titties around, but the conversation isn't worth shit.

When I want to find new sponsors, I look around on GFY and a few other boards. Then the same idiots fight for my traffic over ICQ, same as they would at shows but with one important difference. I can fucking close the ICQ window and be done with it that fast. No fuss, no muss, no fucking webmasters in old jeans and dirty running shoes causing a scene when the bouncers won't let them in to a nice Vegas club because regardless of who they think they might be, the dress code is still the dress code.

I'm just sayin'

It really doesn't make any sense for an affiliate to go to shows after they've been to a few. You've already made your "face to face" contacts and the rest can be done over the interwebs. I don't even see pictures of that many program owners. Seems it's mostly reps enjoying a free vacation :)

It was great to talk to you and your wife again.. great talk!

Yeah, its harder for affiliates (it doesn't help that so many programs fuck over affiliates) but its also much wiser for affiliates to invest the money would be spent going to shows back into their business. I don't agree that all the tube madness is good for business though. Giving away more for free never is.

We found one major affiliate and we got stiffed on his email address... kinda like a chick giving out wrong numbers..


It was all B2B at the show!

[QUOTE=fuzebox;14620958]An affiliate starting their own program/paysites is just good business though, (and makes more sense than someone without traffic generation experience starting a paysite). I know I moved into paysites just because of the increased earnings per member and monetization opportunities.
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Very true.

ICQ me please :1orglaugh

I met a few affiliates at the show, but yeah mostly program owners and affiliate managers, billing people and models.

Maybe someone should have an affiliate only gathering, or does it exist already?

Sponsor programs would sneak in some spies :)

Also most sponsors are affiliates too, so you'd have to define "affiliate" pretty clearly.

You were actually one of the people I wanted to meet at the show, and I forgot once I got there :1orglaugh

oops

dammit! We can do a virtual meeting with monica and myself ;)

You mean that the program owners are fucking their old affiliates by using all the money they made them to build tubes and now steal their traffic?

Just trying to provoke a discussion here, I have no clue if the above is correct or not :)

We're probably not anyones top affilate because we promote ALOT of different stuff..

We're going to review all our sponsors in the future though - we're not going to support the "pre-checked cross-sales below the submit-button" sites anymore.. well, we're considering dropping sites with pre-checked cross-sales at all.. There's no doubt in my mind that this is an action with "evil" intention, and that's not something we will support

Its world tendentious, it happens in all spheres of business, you should read Karl Marks :)

I'm 99% pure affiliate also, I have absolutely NO reason for going to shows, I've never done any biz at any shows, I pay for hotel, for entrance, for food, flights, party, and all that so that I can get spammed by program owners.

It's the sad truth, but it is true, here is money there for program owners to get affiliates to put links on their sites etc, but what biz does an affiliate do there? Just beg for higher percentages on revshares? or higher pps amounts? or?

I can join a sponsor program, get approved within a day, get login to their paysites, and have promo up making money within a few days/weeks ALL AUTOMATICALLY ONLINE, no need for shows (for me) :)

....oh, also I'll add, I've gone to shows in the past as an excuse for a vacation, to meet fellow webmasters mainly for social purpose, and if any actual biz has come from it I take it as a bonus :)

Make sure to checkout my program, NO hidden prechecks nor anyother shady crap...

I like your style WarChild!!!!

When we move to PPS, I want to kick everyones ass for your traffic. Bare knuckle boxing. I've heard you can bring in the sales. :thumbsup

I had quite a few people tell me in Miami & Vegas.... i was one of the last real affiliates showing up to conventions :1orglaugh

very interesting thread this is, I do agree that no affiliates should be wasting money on the shows.
so tubesites are the future?
anybody wants to buy my TGP Empire?

are you kidding me?

you got to goto 1 or 2 shows a year, just to let the programs you send traffic to know they had better pay ya....or else they'll be seeing you in person again ; )

ok pr0 you have a point there :)

I haven't been to a show in a while... but even when I did, I don't think I met many affiliates. I agree with Fuze.

I would love to go to a show where I'm not getting hustled by reps.

Well Quotealax maybe some day, somewhere, some sponsors are interested to get a show together for affiliates, but heh do not count on it, as I recall in hearing conversations and remarks on most boards, affiliates are the lowest in the industry nowadays, as in except for some whales most affiliates are not really worth anything for sponsors/program owners, but heh I could be wrong.
Affiliates are the dinosaurs of this industry I am told

Jesus Christ this is the post of the century. I'm embarrassed to say I got an erection reading it...

Haha! Probably because you need to be sober to do biz :winkwink:
Besides if I hadn't met you at conventions I'd never have let you link my awesome freesites so you did do some biz!

Yeah its pretty funny. Their empires were built on affiliates back but now they feel they don't need em. Silly bastards.

It's rather funny that 2 years ago when I announced I had no desires to attend any more shows since I was back to be an affiliate only I was called a total loser by at least 1 program owner for not attending these shows, lol. That same program owner went on to call ANYONE affiliate who didn't attend a show a loser so it certainly wasn't personal, though it probably started out that way. My how the tides change. I guess I'm just a trend setter ;)

I agree with you 100% and as a owner of a software development company the Miami show was the best show this year for me.

The big question is if some one starts a new program should they even bother to start an affliate program...may be start one but keep in invite only.

Trade shows/conventions are a business anyways. If there's nothing for affiliates there, it means that the affiliates are not likely to show up, and the show probably makes less money. You can only have so much reps, owners and girls.

Example if 500 possible affiliates do not show up with a cover of 150$, it means that 75 000$ is lost.

Its just not too many affiliates showed up in Miami, its up to the program and reps how they manage to get in touch with them

despite what many people think affiliates are here to stay, if I can send 100 000 clicks to a sponsor daily (not that I can) I'll ALWAYS find a way to monetize that traffic, most of the "normal" sponsors went to shit, no problem, redirect your traffic to AFF or cams, once they start converting like shit, send to casinos or whatever, simple - if you have traffic you'll make money!

what would you do there and who would pay for it?

Would love for you to elaborate on how such empires were built on the "backs" of affiliates.

This was my first show. I am an affiliate and can agree they are geared more towards program owners in my opinion. As a new affiliate who really doesn't know anyone either. The meet and greet was good. Got to meet people I have talked to on icq before. Put the face to the chat. Met some new contacts and some good people.

I do have to disagree about the affiliate. Yes affiliates will have to sharpen up the skills for a more advanced internet solutions. The idea of affiliate marketing has been around for so long it will not go anywhere. Right now its very big actually because of the economy. Most jobs these days are commission/production based, which is basically the same idea. Paying for results.