Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11857701) It's well-known everyone relies on the temperature in Nashville to take predictions on global warming :winkwink:

A Winter's Tale from Al Gore (17 Jan 04) While President George Bush may be eager to get off the planet with his `men to Mars' announcement, his 2000 (and possibly 2004) presidential rival, Al Gore, appears to be already off it. He chose this of all weeks to repeat his clarion call for America to stop `global warming'. While Gore was making his global warming speech on Thursday 15th January, the US media was swept up in other, more urgent, headlines. CNN (USA) - "Freeze Strains Northeast Power Grid" - 16 Jan 04 USA Today "Frigid Weather, Icy Winds Strain Northeast's Power Grid, Shut Schools" - 16 Jan 04 USA Today - "Freeze Shocks Cities Into Stillness" - 15 Jan 04 Newsday.com (USA) - "New Hampshire is Too Cold Even for Ice" - 14 Jan 04 According to Gore, "I don?t think there is any longer a credible basis for doubting that the earth?s atmosphere is heating up because of global warming... Global Warming is real. It is happening already and the anticipated consequences are unacceptable." Tell that to the thousands shivering in the coldest US winter for many decades. While this winter's freeze in North America is close to being a record-breaker, the fact it has happened at all is a sure sign that `global warming', if it exists at all, is much more feeble than the greenhouse scientists dare to admit. And why would they admit it? To do so would put an abrupt end their $4 billion-a-year party funded by the taxpayers. Every time Nature dumps a massive cold snap somewhere, that alone provides a credible basis for doubting the IPCC's hysterical predictions of rampant warming. It isn't enough to merely say the atmosphere is warming. How much it may be warming is the critical issue. A feeble warming over many decades will make scarcely any difference to global climate and that's all that can be claimed for the last 25 years - a feeble warming, most of it caused by slightly increased radiation from the sun. Gore also slurs the so-called `climate skeptics' (such as this website). He said "Yet in spite of the clear evidence available all around us, there are many who still do not believe that Global Warming is a problem at all. And it?s no wonder: because they are the targets of a massive and well-organized campaign of disinformation lavishly funded by polluters who are determined to prevent any action to reduce the greenhouse gas emissions that cause global warming, out of a fear that their profits might be affected if they had to stop dumping so much pollution into the atmosphere." Lavishly funded by polluters? `Still Waiting for Greenhouse' is one of the few websites openly skeptical of the IPCC's scenarios of gloom and doom, and a primary source of what Gore regards as `disinformation'. His `lavish funding' accusation is not just disinformation by him, but also an outright lie. In the last 12 months, this website has received funding of - wait for it - $50. That `lavish funding' took the form of a single donation cheque to this website. A powerful motive indeed to spread disinformation. My information from other skeptic sources suggests equally small amounts being donated. We do what we do because we believe strongly in the truth of our case regardless of the level of, or lack of, funding. The fact that a $4-billion-a-year industry feels threatened by skeptics working on a financial shoestring speaks volumes about the bankruptcy of the industry's message and their resort to character slurs. If the `polluters' have really been dumping `lavish funding' on the skeptics, the cheques must still be in the mail.

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11857792) you often go so far to try make a point that it just becomes silly, stupid and embarassing. "global warming" does not mean "climate gets incrementally warmer in every single location on the planet, daily" - funny you know so much about how to argue with people on the topic but do not possess even the most basic understanding of what you are trying to argue about.

For more than 2 million years our earth has cycled in and out of Ice Ages, accompanied by massive ice sheets accumulating over polar landmasses and a cold, desert-like global climate. Although the tropics during the Ice Age were still tropical, the temperate regions and sub-tropical regions were markedly different than they are today. There is a strong correlation between temperature and CO2 concentrations during this time. Historically, glacial cycles of about 100,000 years are interupted by brief warm interglacial periods-- like the one we enjoy today. Changes in both temperatures and CO2 are considerable and generally synchronized, according to data analysis from ice and air samples collected over the last half century from permanent glaciers in Antarctica and other places. Interglacial periods of 15,000- 20,000 years provide a brief respite from the normal state of our natural world-- an Ice Age Climate. Our present interglacial vacation from the last Ice Age began about 18,000 years ago. Over the last 400,000 years the natural upper limit of atmospheric CO2 concentrations was about 300 ppm. Today, CO2 concentrations worldwide average about 370 ppm. Humans may be able to take credit for some of these additions, but not all of them. Earth's plant life will respond to soak up these additions with additional biologic activity, but this takes time. Meanwhile perhaps up to 9% of CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere today may be attributable to human-related activities like agriculture, industry, and transportation. Compared to former geologic periods, concentrations of CO2 in our atmosphere are still very small and may not have a statistically measurable effect on global temperatures. For example, during the Ordovician Period 460 million years ago CO2 concentrations were 4400 ppm while temperatures then were about the same as they are today. Do rising atmospheric CO2 concentrations cause increasing global temperatures, or could it be the other way around? This is one of the questions being debated today. One thing is certain-- earth's climate has been warming and cooling on it's own for at least the last 400,000 years, as the data below show. At year 18,000 and counting in our current interglacial vacation from the Ice Age, we may be due-- some say overdue-- for return to another icehouse climate!

Originally Posted by Sosa (Post 11857866) It has been cold as fuck here for the past few weeks

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane (Post 11857932) In average we are fucked.

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 11857804) OR B: Im fucking around to rouse the global warming pushers just to piss with them...

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11857970) whats the point? will they see your side? will you see theirs? will any of the complete and total retards on BOTH sides of the issue understand that like anything else, the truth usually lies in the middle? no. you do it for yourself. you do it so you can walk away saying "haha.. those guys are idiots because i made arguments they couldn't refute" and at the end of the day, nothing has changed. they think you are dumb. you think they are dumb... the earth keeps turning on its axis, the planets continue to rotate around the sun and the origin of the universe remains unexplained.

Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 11857993) when it gets colder your fingers free and won't be sticky anymore

Originally Posted by budsbabes (Post 11858026) you're right. i wont trust a global consensus of scientists. i'll go with the opinion of a gfy poster who gets his education from fox and free republic.

Scientific debate continues regarding the extent to which human activities contribute to global warming and what the potential impact on the environment might be. Importantly, much of the scientific evidence contradicts assertions that substantial global warming is likely to occur soon and that the predicted warming will harm the Earth's biosphere. The Earth's climate began a warming trend after the "Little Ice Age" ended in the mid-1800s, long before global industrial development led to substantial increases in greenhouse gases beginning in the middle of the 20th century. About half of the warming during the 20th century occurred prior to the 1940s, and natural variability accounts for all or nearly all of the warming. To assess future climate trends, climatologists rely upon General Circulation Models (GCMs) that attempt to describe Earth's climate. The many climate models in use vary widely with respect to the variables they include and in the assumptions they make about how those variables interact. Yet some official reports, including the U.S. National Assessment published in 2000, report only the most extreme predictions, ignoring others that project only moderate warming in the 21st century. Global warming alarmists have attributed increases in hurricanes, floods, droughts, tornadoes, hail storms and heat waves to global warming caused by human activities. However, the evidence does not support their claims. In recent months, for instance: * The unprecedented destruction caused by Hurricanes Katrina and Rita was blamed on climate change ? but experts say recent, more powerful storms are part of a natural cycle, and greater hurricane damage in North America is due to increased coastal populations and development rather than more severe storms. * Similar claims have been made about other weather phenomena in North America ; but, in fact, there is no evidence of an increase in the frequency or severity of floods, droughts, tropical cyclones, tornadoes, hail storms or other severe weather events. Some have attempted to link the present warming trend to secondary effects, such as species extinction. However, the relationship between species extinction and climate change is even more tenuous. For example: * Recent claims that polar bear populations are threatened by global warming ignore the fact that only two polar bear populations are declining, others are increasing in numbers and the majority have stable populations. * Recent claims that coral reefs are "bleaching" (losing color and dying off) due to warming oceans ignore the evidence that bleaching appears to be a healthy response in which corals expel one symbiotic species of algae for a better-adapted species that allows corals to thrive in warmer waters. It has also been claimed that low-lying coastal areas are endangered due to rises in sea level as the Arctic pack ice, glaciers and the mile-thick Greenland Ice Sheet melt in a warming climate. However, the evidence does not show this is occurring: * The fact that parts of the Arctic Ocean are ice-free in the summer is said to be evidence that sea ice and the pack ice along the Arctic coast are disappearing; but changing wind patterns pushing the ice around, not rising temperatures, are responsible for navigable Arctic waters. * In Alaska, home to many glaciers, several decades of increasingly colder temperatures in the middle of the 20th century preceded a more recent return to the average temperatures of the early 20th century. * Temperatures at the peak of the Greenland Ice Sheet show it is actually growing colder. * Sea levels have been rising ? in fact, they have been rising since the end of the last ice age 20,000 years ago ? but there is no evidence of an accelerating trend. The complexity of the climate and the limitations of data and computer models mean projections of future climate change are unreliable at best. In sum, the science does not support claims of drastic increases in global temperatures over the 21st century, nor does it support claims of human influence on weather events and other secondary effects of climate change.

Ten facts about global warming
THEY don?t want you to know


1. Britain is one degree Celsius cooler now than it was at the time of the Domesday book.
2. Greenland got its name from the verdant pastures that attracted the Norse settlers under Eric the Red in 986. They carried on their normal way of life (based on cattle, grain, hay and herring) for 300 years until the Little Ice Age, when they were driven off by the encroaching ice and the Inuit took over. The ice and the Inuit are still there.
3. Carbon dioxide is a minor greenhouse gas. In the atmosphere there is over a hundred times the concentration of water vapour, which is the dominant greenhouse gas.
4. Without the Greenhouse Effect there would be no life on Earth.
5. Temperature measurements by satellite, radio sonde balloons and well maintained rural surface stations in the West show no significant warming.
6. The only evidence of significant warming comes from mainly non-western stations that are probably ill maintained or those that are contaminated by the Urban Heat Island Effect.
7. Computer models of the climate are worthless, as they are based on many assumptions about interactions between climate factors that are still unknown to science. They are generally unstable and chaotic, giving a wide variety of answers depending on the input assumptions.
8. The Kyoto agreement would have a devastating effect on the world economy but, since carbon dioxide is a minor greenhouse gas, an undetectable effect on the climate.
9. The IPCC (the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) has been the main engine for promoting the global warming scare. It has become notorious for its corrupt practices of doctoring its reports and executive summaries, after they have been approved by the participating scientists, to conform to its political objectives
10. The really big lie about man-made global warming is that almost all scientists accept it. More than 4,000 scientists from 106 countries, including 72 Nobel prize winners, signed the Heidelberg Appeal (1992), calling for a rational scientific approach to environmental problems. Many senior scientists have also supported The Statement by Atmospheric Scientists on Greenhouse Warming (1992), The Leipzig Declaration (1997) and finally the Oregon Petition (1998) which received the signatures of over 19,000 scientists.

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 11858062) Fox whats that? eugenics had a global consensus, so did the ice age theory. http://www.ncpa.org/pub/st/st285/

Originally Posted by budsbabes (Post 11858170) dude - i agree with you - jesus is causing global warming.

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11858256) Counter arguements?? You are really struggling to get an intelligent response to your stupidity. Sticky - you have aspired to the small elite membership of GFY who are total idiots. Congrats

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 11858267) Watch the videos, read the links, then give us your counter. Or will you go on about buying oxygen shares or something?

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11858282) WTF makes you think I am the slightest bit interested in watching pathetic videos from another lobby group or care about what you think? You have nothing to offer - post another 50 responses in your own thread to get attention and maybe someone may notice.

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 11858312) In other words you have no counter because you are completely and utterly wrong. :thumbsup

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11858332) Try taking up brain surgery and operating on yourself - any move in that direction would be positive

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11857792) you often go so far to try make a point that it just becomes silly, stupid and embarassing. "global warming" does not mean "climate gets incrementally warmer in every single location on the planet, daily" - funny you know so much about how to argue with people on the topic but do not possess even the most basic understanding of what you are trying to argue about.

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 11858344) So what you are saying is you DO NOT want to look at any opposing views to what you believe, and you will instead bury your head in the proverbial sand right?

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 11858110) Ten facts about global warming THEY don?t want you to know 1. Britain is one degree Celsius cooler now than it was at the time of the Domesday book. 2. Greenland got its name from the verdant pastures that attracted the Norse settlers under Eric the Red in 986. They carried on their normal way of life (based on cattle, grain, hay and herring) for 300 years until the Little Ice Age, when they were driven off by the encroaching ice and the Inuit took over. The ice and the Inuit are still there. 3. Carbon dioxide is a minor greenhouse gas. In the atmosphere there is over a hundred times the concentration of water vapour, which is the dominant greenhouse gas. 4. Without the Greenhouse Effect there would be no life on Earth. 5. Temperature measurements by satellite, radio sonde balloons and well maintained rural surface stations in the West show no significant warming. 6. The only evidence of significant warming comes from mainly non-western stations that are probably ill maintained or those that are contaminated by the Urban Heat Island Effect. 7. Computer models of the climate are worthless, as they are based on many assumptions about interactions between climate factors that are still unknown to science. They are generally unstable and chaotic, giving a wide variety of answers depending on the input assumptions. 8. The Kyoto agreement would have a devastating effect on the world economy but, since carbon dioxide is a minor greenhouse gas, an undetectable effect on the climate. 9. The IPCC (the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) has been the main engine for promoting the global warming scare. It has become notorious for its corrupt practices of doctoring its reports and executive summaries, after they have been approved by the participating scientists, to conform to its political objectives 10. The really big lie about man-made global warming is that almost all scientists accept it. More than 4,000 scientists from 106 countries, including 72 Nobel prize winners, signed the Heidelberg Appeal (1992), calling for a rational scientific approach to environmental problems. Many senior scientists have also supported The Statement by Atmospheric Scientists on Greenhouse Warming (1992), The Leipzig Declaration (1997) and finally the Oregon Petition (1998) which received the signatures of over 19,000 scientists.

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 11858376) The pentagon said global warming is happening not some liberal group.

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 11858395) when documentaries are attacked to me thats a warning sign how close to the mark they are.

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11858377) That's the second assumption you made - it's common among idiots to assume. Ever considered you don't actually matter and there is no reason to "discuss" anything? Just keep watching the temperature in Nashville and don't worry your head over any subject...

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 11858418) Attacked? You mean shown to be using deception if not outright lies? :1orglaugh

The really big lie about man-made global warming is that almost all scientists accept it.

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 11858428) Im more worried about the impending ice age, I think they had it right in the 70's and 80's.