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Start thinking like a webmaster when looking at posted models pics

03-31-2006, 04:18 PM

It happens all too often... some content provider posts a few shots of his latest model, and asks "what do you think?" Even if he says "would you hit it?", he's not really asking if you would or wouldn't. What he really wants to find out is if anyone is interested in buying her content. Sometimes he's interested in gaining some new affiliates who will promote his site with her in it.

I realize there are a lot of surfers here who can't help but think like surfers, but time and time again I see people who profess to be webmasters making comments like "she's okay but not my type"... or "she's ugly, no way I'd touch her".... or "I would SOOO hit that!"

My point: Who cares whether you'd hit it or not? No one. Real webmasters look at content shots and think one thing and one thing only---- is she marketable?... that's it.

Ugly --- irrelivant.
Fat? -- so what?
Is she as hot as your girlfriend? -- also irrelivant.
Would you do her anyway? -- absolutely and unequivocally irrelivant.

Can you sell her? --- this is a webmaster question.

Do I have enough skill to market her properly and make money from this content? --- there you go. Now you're asking the right kind of questions.

Remember: Average, quirky, alternative-looking girls will always have an audience. Just because *you* find her unattractive, doesn't negate the fact that there are 10,000,000 guys out there who would break out the plastic and the lube for her.

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03-31-2006, 04:21 PM

and where did the human face of porn peddling go?

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03-31-2006, 04:21 PM

i'd hit it

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03-31-2006, 04:22 PM

Most excellent post!

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03-31-2006, 04:22 PM

HitIt threads get lots of replies.
Easy advertising for content providers and aff.programs.
I wish a "Would you hit this script?" threads got that much attention
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03-31-2006, 04:23 PM

shit, and I always thought posting a "would you hit it" threads was just a gimmick to get some surfers to sign up for their paysites...

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03-31-2006, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by defresto

I wish a "Would you hit this script?" threads got that much attention

If they ever do you can rest assured some of us will be thinking like webmasters there too.

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03-31-2006, 04:28 PM

I'd hit it.

Edit: Damn someone said that already.... um, Sig spot? ? This thread is useless without pics?

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03-31-2006, 04:51 PM

"My point: Who cares whether you'd hit it or not? No one. Real webmasters look at content shots and think one thing and one thing only---- is she marketable?... that's it.

Ugly --- irrelivant.
Fat? -- so what?
Is she as hot as your girlfriend? -- also irrelivant.
Would you do her anyway? -- absolutely and unequivocally irrelivant.

Can you sell her? --- this is a webmaster question."

Real Shooters, look at her, and ask themselves, "Will Somebody, Buy It." Both the girl, and the type of content. WE don't care if you don't like redheads, we know that Redheads sell. Maybe not to you....

But the point is this ain't a dating service...

When a content shooter posts a pic, howabout dropping the "I'd hit it," in favor of....

"I'll buy that, it will convert/retain on my site(s)."

That gives some feedback, we all can benefit from.

If you wouldn't buy it, is it the model, the lighting, the price, etc, what is wrong with the deal? And if it is the model, just state the flaw, or it's a personal preference thing.

CD, great thread.
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03-31-2006, 04:54 PM

Hey, I can't buy every content set that comes out. Don't complain about the free bumps.

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03-31-2006, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by Dagwolf

I'd hit it.

Edit: Damn someone said that already.... um, Sig spot? ? This thread is useless without pics?

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03-31-2006, 05:12 PM

You are correct CD Smith. Unfortunately, nothing you are saying matters to people in the Philipines with 100+ posts per day.

I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...

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03-31-2006, 05:14 PM

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03-31-2006, 05:16 PM

Great post, CDSmith. While my reply in said threads may be hormone driven, in the back of my mind, I'm always thinking whether or not I can sell it.
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03-31-2006, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by Dagwolf

Hey, I can't buy every content set that comes out. Don't complain about the free bumps.

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03-31-2006, 05:25 PM

Many webmasters still don't understand that people like different tastes, and another thing what a webmaster says he likes on a board is proably way different then what he would sign up for himself if he was a surfer. Many guys like curvy and fat chicks but deny it

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03-31-2006, 05:28 PM

some of us have no intention of shooting any girls, and don't plan on selling any girls

i work on my wife's site, 24/7...so when someone posts a pic of another girl, the only thing that comes to my mind is "is she hot? would I fuck her?"

i could care less about any girl, but my wife, being marketable
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03-31-2006, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by Jace

some of us have no intention of shooting any girls, and don't plan on selling any girls

i work on my wife's site, 24/7...so when someone posts a pic of another girl, the only thing that comes to my mind is "is she hot? would I fuck her?"

i could care less about any girl, but my wife, being marketable

Then you would be what is known as "the exception". Of course, you can still think like a webmaster anyway, but that's really your choice.

For the rest of us who are webmasters of a broader spectrum, the above applies, and hopefully most will take it as sound advice.

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03-31-2006, 06:31 PM

Hey jerkoff, ALL PORN IS MARKETABLE .

Your a real fuckin tool u know that?

Im not here to have shit crammed down my throat.

Wanna find suckers to market your shit, go somewhere else .

And btw, you have to be a real pathetic poor excuse for an entreprenuer to pitch your shit here.

posting like your on forbes 500 list....fuck outta here ya bootleg money maker.

" if ya wanna be a webmaster, think like me and stay on gfy to search for material to market."

can i see a pic of your wife?
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Originally posted by CDSmith

It happens all too often... some content provider posts a few shots of his latest model, and asks "what do you think?" Even if he says "would you hit it?", he's not really asking if you would or wouldn't. What he really wants to find out is if anyone is interested in buying her content. Sometimes he's interested in gaining some new affiliates who will promote his site with her in it.

I realize there are a lot of surfers here who can't help but think like surfers, but time and time again I see people who profess to be webmasters making comments like "she's okay but not my type"... or "she's ugly, no way I'd touch her".... or "I would SOOO hit that!"

My point: Who cares whether you'd hit it or not? No one. Real webmasters look at content shots and think one thing and one thing only---- is she marketable?... that's it.

Ugly --- irrelivant.
Fat? -- so what?
Is she as hot as your girlfriend? -- also irrelivant.
Would you do her anyway? -- absolutely and unequivocally irrelivant.

Can you sell her? --- this is a webmaster question.

Do I have enough skill to market her properly and make money from this content? --- there you go. Now you're asking the right kind of questions.

Remember: Average, quirky, alternative-looking girls will always have an audience. Just because *you* find her unattractive, doesn't negate the fact that there are 10,000,000 guys out there who would break out the plastic and the lube for her.

Want to be a better webmaster? Start thinking like one.

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03-31-2006, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by James Greuel

Real Shooters, look at her, and ask themselves, "Will Somebody, Buy It." Both the girl, and the type of content. WE don't care if you don't like redheads, we know that Redheads sell. Maybe not to you....

But the point is this ain't a dating service...

When a content shooter posts a pic, howabout dropping the "I'd hit it," in favor of....

"I'll buy that, it will convert/retain on my site(s)."

That gives some feedback, we all can benefit from.

If you wouldn't buy it, is it the model, the lighting, the price, etc, what is wrong with the deal? And if it is the model, just state the flaw, or it's a personal preference thing.

CD, great thread.

Good input.

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03-31-2006, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by James Greuel

"My point: Who cares whether you'd hit it or not? No one. Real webmasters look at content shots and think one thing and one thing only---- is she marketable?... that's it.

Ugly --- irrelivant.
Fat? -- so what?
Is she as hot as your girlfriend? -- also irrelivant.
Would you do her anyway? -- absolutely and unequivocally irrelivant.

Can you sell her? --- this is a webmaster question."

Real Shooters, look at her, and ask themselves, "Will Somebody, Buy It." Both the girl, and the type of content. WE don't care if you don't like redheads, we know that Redheads sell. Maybe not to you....

But the point is this ain't a dating service...

When a content shooter posts a pic, howabout dropping the "I'd hit it," in favor of....

"I'll buy that, it will convert/retain on my site(s)."

That gives some feedback, we all can benefit from.

If you wouldn't buy it, is it the model, the lighting, the price, etc, what is wrong with the deal? And if it is the model, just state the flaw, or it's a personal preference thing.

CD, great thread.

Hey CD....C Deez NUTS!

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If your on here pitching content that you yourself cant fuckin sell or dont know if its marketable, WHY THE FUCK WOULD I WANNA PAY YOU FOR IT Mr" elite of the elite webmaster/photographer

if your here pitching it , means you aint shit.
tells me you arent as successful as you claim to be
tells me your a fuckin tool trying to make a fast buck

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03-31-2006, 08:38 PM

Oh. I see the latest group-user trolling account has been activated. *rolls eyes* You'd think they'd get tired of that around here...

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03-31-2006, 08:42 PM

how is this babe for sales? shot this a little while ago . . along with some hardcore sex. .
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03-31-2006, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by bigdog

Many webmasters still don't understand that people like different tastes, and another thing what a webmaster says he likes on a board is proably way different then what he would sign up for himself if he was a surfer. Many guys like curvy and fat chicks but deny it

are you trying to tell us something here badog?
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03-31-2006, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by Wanton

how is this babe?....

She deserves her own thread, that's for sure.

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03-31-2006, 10:00 PM

Originally posted by CDSmith

My point: Who cares whether you'd hit it or not? No one. Real webmasters look at content shots and think one thing and one thing only---- is she marketable?... that's it.

She OR he.

We shoot both female and male - and although I'm aware there's not a hella lot of interest on GFY for the male content, I still post a few occasionally in hopes of eliciting an industry comment or two.

So while some folks detest a male pic being posted - I could care less since I know that what I shoot converts. Its too bad more people don't view it from that perspective and make related content inquiries.
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03-31-2006, 10:10 PM

The problem with most webmasters is simple. They come from a computer back ground and not a porn one. I've spent time with the owners of Karups, Alsscan, Sapphic Erotica, Teendreams and a few more and they all have one thing in common. More knowledge of porn than computers.

When we do a casting the only thing we think about is how much can we make from the girl? Yes every girl will sell and a few fools have pointed it out, but if you want to utilise all your marketing skills on a girl who will sell to 1 in 100 instead of a girl who will sell 100 in 100 go and do it. Always take into balance the number of people who will be pushing the site along side you.

This girl [url-http://www.paulmarkham.com/content.php?modelId=419]Christine [/url] consistently sells and sells. She sells on the content store, she sells on the paysite and she sells on the FHGs. A dam site better than any of the "Exclusive never seen before" stuff.

Wanton nice girl and I would calculate probably worth to us, $25,000 in sales over a period. Christine made us nearly that figure in one day. Misty is nice but not special. Special is tough to find and you know that, but when you do it's gold dust time.

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03-31-2006, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by CDSmith

It happens all too often... some content provider posts a few shots of his latest model, and asks "what do you think?" Even if he says "would you hit it?", he's not really asking if you would or wouldn't. What he really wants to find out is if anyone is interested in buying her content. Sometimes he's interested in gaining some new affiliates who will promote his site with her in it.

I realize there are a lot of surfers here who can't help but think like surfers, but time and time again I see people who profess to be webmasters making comments like "she's okay but not my type"... or "she's ugly, no way I'd touch her".... or "I would SOOO hit that!"

My point: Who cares whether you'd hit it or not? No one. Real webmasters look at content shots and think one thing and one thing only---- is she marketable?... that's it.

Ugly --- irrelivant.
Fat? -- so what?
Is she as hot as your girlfriend? -- also irrelivant.
Would you do her anyway? -- absolutely and unequivocally irrelivant.

Can you sell her? --- this is a webmaster question.

Do I have enough skill to market her properly and make money from this content? --- there you go. Now you're asking the right kind of questions.

Remember: Average, quirky, alternative-looking girls will always have an audience. Just because *you* find her unattractive, doesn't negate the fact that there are 10,000,000 guys out there who would break out the plastic and the lube for her.

Want to be a better webmaster? Start thinking like one.

That is so true, that is very well said, good one.
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03-31-2006, 10:16 PM

Fucked up on the coding so try this one.

This girl Christine consistently sells and sells. She sells on the content store, she sells on the paysite and she sells on the FHGs. A dam site better than any of the "Exclusive never seen before" stuff.

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04-01-2006, 12:59 AM

*claps* and I am not being sarcastic. Excellent post. I actually find myself walking around in public looking at new faces and thinking "how would i market her" I have caught myself doing this more than a few times. Talked to my girl about it and we had a good laugh.

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04-01-2006, 03:42 AM

With girls for my paysites I wouldn't use a girl who I didn't think was hot myself. I work with a lot of agencies and studios and they are always sending me sample of new girls that want to model for our site. But if I don't think the girl is hot I won't book her for a shoot.

I discovered a girl in a club about 2 years ago that had never done modelling before, I was pissed up and went over to try to pull her and got knocked back so asked if she fancied doing some modelling instead, she took a business card and phoned a few days later. I figured I wanted to see her naked even if I had to pay for it ;-)

She now has a sucessfull career as a mainstream model here in the UK after doing some shoots with us and can now earn several $1000 per shoot working as a promotional model for kawasaki and doesn't even need to take her clothes off!
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04-01-2006, 05:47 AM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

The problem with most webmasters is simple. They come from a computer back ground and not a porn one.

Many do, yes. Many also have only their own personal porn-viewing to draw from, having been spanking it to it for so many years, thus they can't help but view everything from their own perspective. But there are those webmasters who learned early-on to look at pics of models in a different way.

Knowing your own sites and the preferences of your surfers is valuable knowledge.

Originally posted by Paul Markham

When we do a casting the only thing we think about is how much can we make from the girl? Yes every girl will sell and a few fools have pointed it out, but if you want to utilise all your marketing skills on a girl who will sell to 1 in 100 instead of a girl who will sell 100 in 100 go and do it. Always take into balance the number of people who will be pushing the site along side you.

Your agenda is different from the multitude of webmasters I'm addressing here Paul. You being a recruiter, photographer and content producer, the goal of your company is to score a certain level of quality. I on the other hand am talking about webmasters who, like myself, run all sorts of sites..... amateur, teen amateurs, girl-next-door, goth, plumpers, fetish, voyeur, MILF, grannies, ebony, tranny, and a 1000 other niches. We HAVE to look at models in a slightly different way than you Paul. However, both look at a girl and consider whether or not she would do well within their business model.

Originally posted by Paul Markham

Buy content on the basis of it's effect to those who pay for porn and not those who want a cheap thrill and you will win.

That is well said, and I could not agree more. However, those "cheap thrill" seekers do still buy memberships.

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04-01-2006, 06:25 AM

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Here is the link to her portfolio
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04-01-2006, 07:23 AM

Originally posted by CDSmith

Many do, yes. Many also have only their own personal porn-viewing to draw from, having been spanking it to it for so many years, thus they can't help but view everything from their own perspective. But there are those webmasters who learned early-on to look at pics of models in a different way.

Knowing your own sites and the preferences of your surfers is valuable knowledge.

And I did point out a few that do have the experience, sorry if I made it sound like these the only ones.

Originally posted by CDSmith

Your agenda is different from the multitude of webmasters I'm addressing here Paul. You being a recruiter, photographer and content producer, the goal of your company is to score a certain level of quality. I on the other hand am talking about webmasters who, like myself, run all sorts of sites..... amateur, teen amateurs, girl-next-door, goth, plumpers, fetish, voyeur, MILF, grannies, ebony, tranny, and a 1000 other niches. We HAVE to look at models in a slightly different way than you Paul. However, both look at a girl and consider whether or not she would do well within their business model.

Do you honestly think I would have lasted nearly three decades by not catering to what the end user wants? I'm still selling to the same companies I was selling to at nearly the beginning of my career. do you think they would keep buying from me because I get an image in focus and properly exposed?

I specialise in a few niches, Teen, Girl-Next-Door, Amateur, Readers Wives, being the main ones. I do so because I do not have a clue how to shoot or market as many niches as you do. I also have a paysite that is going very, very well with little effort.

Originally posted by CDSmith

That is well said, and I could not agree more. However, those "cheap thrill" seekers do still buy memberships.

Very true, but do they buy it very often and do they buy the average stuff that's put out?

It seems you missed my point and still looked at it from a webmasters perspective.

What I'm saying is, if you want to sell porn well and make a lot of money you have to get the porn right. Because no matter how well you apply all your marketing and traffic skills if at the end of the day the porn does not do it you're going to struggle.

Luckily for me some people do not understand the difference between smoking hot and tepid, as you point out, and have to spread themselves to make the same impact.

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04-01-2006, 07:28 AM

Originally posted by Dagwolf

I'd hit it.

Edit: Damn someone said that already.... um, Sig spot? ? This thread is useless without pics?

you forgot, "see sig" and "this thread is gay"

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04-01-2006, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by jade_dragon

*claps* and I am not being sarcastic. Excellent post. I actually find myself walking around in public looking at new faces and thinking "how would i market her" I have caught myself doing this more than a few times. Talked to my girl about it and we had a good laugh.

My wife and I do that constantly as well. The Niagara Falls area where we live is excellent for that - massive crowds during the summer months, skimpy outfits...plus the mist from the Falls is great for soaking babes with white t-shirts.

But its a good place to sometimes meet potential models. Sometimes we'll just spend an afternoon down there sittin' in the sun, watching people and occasionally introducing ourselves with a business card. Its led to working with several good models over the years.
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04-01-2006, 07:52 AM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

Do you honestly think I would have lasted nearly three decades by not catering to what the end user wants? I'm still selling to the same companies I was selling to at nearly the beginning of my career. do you think they would keep buying from me because I get an image in focus and properly exposed?

It's difficult sometimes to type out everything one means and wants to say. Were we to have this conversation in person there would be a lot less confusion I'm sure.

Yes, you cater to the end user of course, but your target audience isn't exactly the same as mine. I have surfers who love amateur material shot by boyfriends and husbands using digital cameras and bad lighting and techniques. I have extreme fetish surfers who simply aren't interested in girls who have the kind of beauty that you like to shoot Paul. I was merely trying to point out the slight difference and also the similarity between the two business models.

Originally posted by Paul Markham

I specialise in a few niches, Teen, Girl-Next-Door, Amateur, Readers Wives, being the main ones. I do so because I do not have a clue how to shoot or market as many niches as you do. I also have a paysite that is going very, very well with little effort.

Don't sell yourself short. I'm sure that if you were to ever delv into other niches you would soon clue in to what those surfers really want as well. This touches on the essential point of this thread.... it's about having the ability as a webmaster to listen to the surfer, and being able to find what they are most interested in. That means viewing content shots as content... and not "would I hit it" :D

Originally posted by Paul Markham

Very true, but do they buy it very often and do they buy the average stuff that's put out?

That's just it... those looking for specific stuff aren't interested in "average stuff".... but trust me, some of these extreme niches, when properly marketed, can see some pretty amazing ratios. Granted, traffic levels are usually small, but so what? 1:40 to 1:80.. are not unheard of. Some do even better than that.

Originally posted by Paul Markham

What I'm saying is, if you want to sell porn well and make a lot of money you have to get the porn right. Because no matter how well you apply all your marketing and traffic skills if at the end of the day the porn does not do it you're going to struggle.

Yes. But get the porn right according to who? That's my point Paul... most guys think only about their own personal tastes. I'm suggesting they start thinking in a broader sense, and consider what their target audience is interested in.... and I call this the webmaster's perspective.

Originally posted by Paul Markham

Luckily for me some people do not understand the difference between smoking hot and tepid, as you point out, and have to spread themselves to make the same impact.

Finding your target and focussing on hitting it 100% isn't a bad thing, and you are living proof of that. If my being "spread out" helps your cause, I can certainly say the reverse is true. :D

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04-01-2006, 07:58 AM

<<< not a webmaster.

only faggots and sailors are webmasters.

i am a pornographer and whoremonger.
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04-01-2006, 08:05 AM

In my experience, going by what I like myself is a pretty good way to know what will sell on my sites and what won't. Different people have different tastes, true, but I market to those visiting my sites, not to everyone.

Usually, for content I use on my sites, I go for one of the niches I like (and there are a lot of those), and then use models/sets/pictures that I like in that niche. Works well enough...

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04-01-2006, 08:27 AM

Originally posted by punkworld

In my experience, going by what I like myself .......
but I market to those visiting my sites, not to everyone.

Bit of a contradiction there. You go by what you like, yet you market to those visiting your sites. That's fine if you know for a fact that everyone visiting your sites likes exactly what you like.

Hey, I will be the first to say that I won't argue with what works. If it's working for you it's all good.

But whether or not "you'd hit it" should still take a back seat to what your surfers preferences are.

To everyone:

It's also about respect. Calling a new model names and referring to her as ugly (especially when most of them are really not) is downright childish, unprofessional and stupid. Many so-called pornographers and/or webmasters are guilty of that kind of small thinking.

No problem here. People can either read what I'm typing and think about it some, or disregard it completely and go on with their usual schoolyard banter. It's about becoming a better webmaster, and this thread is here because from time to time I like to actually put up something that might help that cause.

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04-01-2006, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

<<< not a webmaster.

only faggots and sailors are webmasters.

i am a pornographer and whoremonger.

Bully for you. Do you own a pay site? If so, you just called your webmaster a faggot.

Is he?

Understand something.... if you're a pornographer you should know that the success of many pornographers is somewhat dependant on their customers (content buyers) and their affiliates. Guess what genius? Those content buyers and affiliates are WEBMASTERS.

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04-01-2006, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by James Greuel

"My point: Who cares whether you'd hit it or not? No one. Real webmasters look at content shots and think one thing and one thing only---- is she marketable?... that's it.

this is the only condsideration in shooting content to my mind . . . as a 'custom exclusive' shooter I don't even conceren my self with the models apperace other than is this model right for a particular shoot, for a certain client . .

Ugly --- irrelivant.
Fat? -- so what?
Is she as hot as your girlfriend? -- also irrelivant.
Would you do her anyway? -- absolutely and unequivocally irrelivant.

I shoot fat girls, bbw's, black girls, punker girls, twinks, mature, and the GND 18-23 . . the twinks pay the best to be real honest about it and the twinks are usually much nicer models than the 18-23 girls and I'm no more sexually attracted to a twinks than I am to the black girls . .

Can you sell her? --- this is a webmaster question."

that is the only question, can I understand the 'fetish' enough to create content that will sell and retain . . for my clients . . I still shoot, been shooting content for 6 years for the same group of clients . . to me as a shooter 'teens', asians, twinks, bbw's, etc, are all just fetishes . .

Real Shooters, look at her, and ask themselves, "Will Somebody, Buy It." Both the girl, and the type of content. WE don't care if you don't like redheads, we know that Redheads sell. Maybe not to you....

exactly . . . and the really odd thing to me is most of the models I see on tours around here are poorly shoot barley attracive . . . and shot so poorly, they are even worse looking than the really are . . I see a 'content' shooter regualrly post on the board with images that are horrible and yet the comments are 'I'd hit it' 'great stuff' and so forth . . . I will say this: my clients won't buy from the guy . . .

But the point is this ain't a dating service...

When a content shooter posts a pic, howabout dropping the "I'd hit it," in favor of....

"I'll buy that, it will convert/retain on my site(s)."

That gives some feedback, we all can benefit from.

never happen . . this board is mostly jerkoffs . . the real money makers don't usually comment . . they just watch

If you wouldn't buy it, is it the model, the lighting, the price, etc, what is wrong with the deal? And if it is the model, just state the flaw, or it's a personal preference thing.

CD, great thread.

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04-01-2006, 05:52 PM

but would you hit it ?
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04-01-2006, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by spanno

but would you hit it ?

only if i was gettin paid . .
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04-01-2006, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by CDSmith

It's difficult sometimes to type out everything one means and wants to say. Were we to have this conversation in person there would be a lot less confusion I'm sure.

Yes, you cater to the end user of course, but your target audience isn't exactly the same as mine. I have surfers who love amateur material shot by boyfriends and husbands using digital cameras and bad lighting and techniques. I have extreme fetish surfers who simply aren't interested in girls who have the kind of beauty that you like to shoot Paul. I was merely trying to point out the slight difference and also the similarity between the two business models.

The difference in the porn content makes no difference in the fact that above all the essence of the porn has to be right. Shooting amateur with a girl who looks bored will not work as well as shooting it with a girl who looks like she wants to be fucked by th photographer/boyfriend. A lot think amateur is just bad photography. It's not and never has bee only about that.

Originally posted by CDSmith

Don't sell yourself short. I'm sure that if you were to ever delve into other niches you would soon clue in to what those surfers really want as well. This touches on the essential point of this thread.... it's about having the ability as a webmaster to listen to the surfer, and being able to find what they are most interested in. That means viewing content shots as content... and not "would I hit it" :D

And how much would I lose while learning what turns on a guy looking for something I have no interest in?

I feel some think there is an easy route to selling porn, get the right niche, right number on images/videos, right words and then just send traffic to it. BULLSHIT.

Unless the porn is right you will be sending traffic to a leaking bucket. The most important thing today is to look at the niche and ask yourself, do I know what turns on a guy looking for this niche and does this site deliver it?

That's just it... those looking for specific stuff aren't interested in "average stuff".... but trust me, some of these extreme niches, when properly marketed, can see some pretty amazing ratios. Granted, traffic levels are usually small, but so what? 1:40 to 1:80.. are not unheard of. Some do even better than that.

Yes. But get the porn right according to who? That's my point Paul... most guys think only about their own personal tastes. I'm suggesting they start thinking in a broader sense, and consider what their target audience is interested in.... and I call this the webmasters perspective.

Finding your target and focusing on hitting it 100% isn't a bad thing, and you are living proof of that. If my being "spread out" helps your cause, I can certainly say the reverse is true. :D

Yes the conversion numbers on niche will always out perform those on mainstream. BUT what are the number of hits per hour worked like?

The more niche you go the less people are looking for it, the less you are going to get your free sites accepted and the harder you make it to convert those hitting the site.

I've been around this business for decades and with a few exceptions the mainstream makes the most money for all doing it right. I'm asked if I would shoot this niche or that niche and when I give them the price for exclusive they cringe, when I tell them the set will not sell more than 5 times non exclusive they tell me the huge demand there is for it. This business is one governed by supply and demand. If the demand is there the supply will follow.

BUT I WILL ALWAYS AGREE WITH YOU, NEVER BUY IT BECAUSE YOU WOULD HIT IT, BUY IT BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD HIT YOU. In a nice way.

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04-01-2006, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by CDSmith

Bully for you. Do you own a pay site? If so, you just called your webmaster a faggot.

Is he?

Understand something.... if you're a pornographer you should know that the success of many pornographers is somewhat dependant on their customers (content buyers) and their affiliates. Guess what genius? Those content buyers and affiliates are WEBMASTERS.

My webmaster is not a faggot, he is a sailor.

A very famous porn director once told me to be successful in the porn industry, you have to shoot what turns you on. If YOU can't jack off to your own material, how do you expect everyone else to? Shoot what turns you on, your market will find you. If you like it, there are millions of people just like you who will also like it.

Our business has grown every month for the past 3 years shooting in this manner. Trust your gut and trust your cock. If there is not a market for what you do, create one.
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04-01-2006, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

My webmaster is not a faggot, he is a sailor.

A very famous porn director once told me to be successful in the porn industry, you have to shoot what turns you on. If YOU can't jack off to your own material, how do you expect everyone else to? Shoot what turns you on, your market will find you. If you like it, there are millions of people just like you who will also like it.

Our business has grown every month for the past 3 years shooting in this manner. Trust your gut and trust your cock. If there is not a market for what you do, create one.

Well said! That's what I've always done and its worked just fine for me.

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04-01-2006, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by CDSmith

Understand something.... if you're a pornographer you should know that the success of many pornographers is somewhat dependant on their customers (content buyers) and their affiliates. Guess what genius? Those content buyers and affiliates are WEBMASTERS.

Understand something.... there is a lot more money to be made with adult content than just selling it on the internet.

We have confirmed that all of our affiliates are sailors. Well, we do have a few fags, but they were also sailors at one time. We also do not sell content to webmasters. Only twinkle-toed Commies don't have the balls to shoot their own content.
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