Hun - try to understand
 

Ok so I was very pissed off with you last time I posted on this board which lead to a multi page discussion. However, I still stand by what I said. I shoot exclusive content for my sites like www.ukvideobabes.com and www.benscastingcouch.com It costs $1500 per day to shoot and all we end up seeing is it being given away for free on your site. Great way to spend $1500 ( I love giving your surfers $1500 worth of my cash for free).

You do understand that when you give an interview even by phone that they can use it which ever way they want. On the TV programme you were describing the hun and saying how you post beastilality then the narator picked up as to your banners which were promoting club lolita and seventeen. You do know that both these sites are illegal anywhere out of holland and your servers are based in california ( I maybe wrong but they are not in holland). Your face was not shown, but then why would you want it to be?

Why don't you understand you are destroying this industry...why should anyone join a pay site when they have the hun? I can't shoot 300 girls a day...a $300k per day budget I could get Madonna doing hardcore. I will still stand my by message that I am not a sponsor that is banned by tpgs as I do not reckon you have the balls to ban me. I love this industry, I love getting girls who actually want to be shot and fucked on film if they dont we do not promote it as the punters realise it is shit.

I am 26 years old and have just done the biggest shoot in my life, I have some great mpegs to give to "the fly" and "bone prone" of girls getting naughty with signs saying that they love them!!! Kind of lipstick on their arses signs!!

Ok I will admit that I was a bad little fucker when I was younger and got into a bit of trouble that I did some time for. That is why I do not appreciate the pricks that gave it the large saying that they could take me out or words to that effect. I have never lost a fight in my life.

In my opinion the world of porn would be so better off with out you, why? Imagine you and I own a bar each, you on one side of the road mine the other, I am charging for beer while you are tapping in to my pipes and giving it away for free...which bar are the customers going to go to and who is going to go bankrupt?

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i hope

In a perfect world there would be no free porn on the internet and my wife would have sex with me once in awhile. But we dont live in a perfect world. :(

I duno Gary - she's been fucking me and I kinda like it.

Well, at least one of us is getting something from her.

Krome, I guess you have not bothered to think there alot of other people besides thehun in porn
and yes free sites.

If thehun were to shut his site down today, it would not matter one tiny bit believe me.

And am sure you would just find someone else to rant about.

You may not believe this but the world is not out to get you, they just want your traffic..:winkwink:

Jimmy, I totally agree if the hun was to end then everyone would go to Richards Realm, if he stopped then another..but why cant people see that this industry is fucked due to tgp's. I have ten girls a week put up on my sites, it costs a fortune but I have unique content, then all I see is the content ending up suppling the tgp's with THEIR content. Why should I pay for them to have something to link to when I get nothing back??? The Hun does not understand what damage he does. He is a first class prick. Look at the sponsors he uses...bet you did not know but they are all pre paid like the way he sells listings on his tgp. You can get a CEN or ARS based gallery on the hun is you pay him $500. When I first started it was easy to make $50k per month, now it is hard. With ultrapasswords.com sending you 40k of visitors (unpaid) and you then have to pay the bandwidth bill it sucks. I cant be fucked with any of them. They all piss me off, but the hun has always managed to really push me over the edge. We are all here to sell. Why should we have to try to sell a product when the product is available for free and the people giving it away for free already have the money in the bank?

herpes?

the can't get EVERYTHING for free on any tgp... that's the idea and beauty of it. but you gotta show them something to make them wanna spend money for THE REST.

is it so hard to understand?

look around - there are free giveaways everywhere - in the video store, the mall, the pizza restaurant.

everyday i convert 5-6 freeloaders into paysite members and i'm not trying that hard. they WANT to spend their money, trust me. all they want is just a little push here and there and the CCs are flying out of the pocket.

tgp traffic is hard but those guys ain't spoiled. the better they become, the more they understand that you gotta dig really deep to find good free porn. they usually give up sooner or later and start buying.

if you shoot content for $1,500 a day (or whatever), show the surfer just $10 of it - if you do it the right way, they'll come to get the rest.

phew, that was long :1orglaugh

Hmm... so now there was a phone interview?

Maybe we need a tabloid magazine for the sex industry... like the Enquirer...

I know you get stuff for free, but why are we often giving them the end product? Especially my end product? We should just give them the soft then lure them into the hard.

Krome,

I think you are out of balance a bit. I have been posting galleries to tgps for over 3 years. I have been running a tgp for a little over one year. I make some decent cash from the galleries and not all that much from the tgp itself.

So how is it that the Hun or any other tgp for that matter, makes it hard for you to make cash off of your content.

Believe me surfers are definately willing to buy, especially when the only think they see from gallerys and tgps are some lame pics and videos. What they can get from pay sites, are stories, pics, vids, live shows, etc.

Think about a grocery store. They usually hand out samples. Are you going to take as many samples as you can and go home? Maybe, but more than likely you will come back to the store and buy something.

Just a little bit of my thoughts on the wide wide world of free enterprise.

I think some of you guys are confused -- I think Krome is mostly upset about other webmasters stealing his content and posting it on TheHun without his knowledge.

The fly is right, I am pissed off about my content being stolen and shoved on the hun to make other people money. The thing that pisses me off more though is when it is placed bang next to a banner for club lolita.

The documentary that got me really mad had him talking about how he didnt care about posting beastility and teen shit because it got him traffic. :BangBang:

i think the problem lies in how you approach your "competition"

hummm - sounds like Krome has good content for TGP posting... what's the url?

http://www.cdbabes.com/samples/sdnhc1/sdnhc1002.jpg

http://www.cdbabes.com/samples/sdnhc1/sdnhc1006.jpg

sweet content. definatly stuff that would goto the top of a TGP and get a lot of page views. Very nice.

thats some sick looking content, both girls look like they are having "lots of fun"

Krome:

When you sell your content, doesn't the license say that your customers cannot use the pics on TGPs, newsgroups etc? If these people are violating your license, then you should have legal means to shut them down.

Hawk

Krome mentions Seventeen and says it is illegal in every country but Holland. I thought I remember those guys saying that the shit on their site was really 18 year old girls, and it was legal a while ago. Does anyone know for sure whether the Club Seventeen site has legal content for the United States or not? This topic has come up on this forum before and no one seems to know for sure. Has anyone ever asked the people from that company directly about whether it's legal in the U.S.?

I seem to first remember hearing about Horny Rob and Tiny Tove content on BBS's in the late 80's. Is that still the same stuff they're promoting now?

This is from the Payserve site:

Note: Seventeen is a copyrighted brand name. All models are over the age of 18 years at the time photographed or filmed.

http://partners.payserve.com/aboutus.html

(edited to correct link)

krome,

90% of the webmasters here agree with you - there is too much free content out there. But NO ONE can change this! It is all about traffic - if thehun or worldsex would go down (they won't) some other guys would start giving away free porn...

However you have a different problem here and I really don't understand why you can't find a solution!!! So you spend $1500 per day for models, etc. Where is the problem?! Video tape EVERYTHING - make photo sets out of it. Sell the sets for let's say $100 each to webmasters. Put the videos you took into your paysite exclusively. Be creative! How about a new paysite that features some kind of behind the scenes content - many surfers would like to see stuff like that...

Concerning webmasters posting your pics on TGPs without a license. What's the problem? Mail the TGP webmaster to take down the gallery - 99% of them will do this immediately and ban this asshole forever. Then go after the gallery webmaster, sue him, or sue his host, post his name here etc.

With your content you have so many options to make $$$. I would be interested in your comments!

We sell to Seventeen, they are part of Bookpress that also own Photorama.
ALL sets must ba accompanied by two legal forms of ID one has to be goverment issue picture ID they are very strict probably more than most. Because of the genre they are in.

great improvement, being calm you can achive more things than being mad dog.

You know if that damn Wal Mart hadn't moved to town the local hardware store would make a lot more money.

If it wasn't for that damn E-trade practically giving away the store there'd be more money for stock brokers.

If it wasn't for Microsoft giving away Internet Explorer for free they'd still be able to sell copies of Netscape.

If.......well, you get the point...

Maybe the market is oversaturated with free porn, but trying to undo that is like trying to unring a bell. It just isn't going to happen.

Nobody on main street does business the way they did 10 years ago, otherwise they wouldn't have a business. Things change, and if you can't change with them you won't be in business very long.

As far as change goes, the internet counts in dog years (7 of their years equals one of ours) things change quickly, you can either change with them and find a business model that works in the current environment, or you can find another business to be in.

I doubt that any of us are happy with the glut of free porn available, but bitching and moaning about it isn't going to make it go away. Honestly I don't foresee anything making it go away, its here and unfortunately we have to live with it.
You can either adapt and survive, or not.

Krome,


Like tradermcduck said, next time you see a gallery posted on the hun with your content you should try emailing the hun and telling him about it. I'm sure he's just as against unlicensed content as the next guy and would probably gladly remove the gallery from his TGP. Not only that, but you could also email the person's sponsor with their sponsor code and tell them that they're promoting with unlicensed content.

If more people did this kind of thing, I'm sure the number of cheaters out there would be dramatically reduced. :2 cents:

absolutely. that's what we do, and we've never had a problem getting a listing removed.

Stop wining man! All your arguments are bullshit. If you can't make money in this business take your sorry ass somewhere else. Maybe you should ask all adult webmasters to close
their sites and even then I doubt if you will ever make a penny
you tight cunt!

All you do is making accusations to other adult webmasters.
Do yourself a favour and commit suicide you prick or get a life
and stop trying to drag other people through the dirt.

If you spend your time conentrating on your business it might
even work out instead of spitting your guts on webmaster
boards...

In case it wasn't clear yet.....? No I don't feel sorry for you!

DynaMite

It is legal. I have worked 3 years for that company. ALL models
are at least 18 years of age and they have the necesary papers to proof that. Once there was a time that they had a couple of
17 year old models but was years ago and even then that is legal in Holland.

These guys travel all over the world attending shows. This year
they also had a booth in Vegas. Yes their name might still be
controversional but their content is NOT! Seventeen is a strong
brandname why the fuck would they change it?

DynaMite

Shouldn't I be invited in such a shoot:tongue:

Did somebody ask you already if you like TGP2 ?

At least the death threats are gone now...

Anyway, Krome, you stated a few things that are false:

"when you give an interview even by phone that they can use it which ever way they want". Well actually this is true, but I NEVER EVER IN MY LIFE STATED TO ANYONE THAT BESTIALITY IS COOL. Like I said last time, it's a little more complicated than that.

"which were promoting club lolita and seventeen. You do know that both these sites are illegal anywhere out of holland". False. Both sites are perfectly legal, have all model releases and ID's of each and everything they put on the web. Seventeen has magazines that had girls aging 16+, which is legal in the Netherlands, but not in a lot of other parts of the world. These magazines are not exported. The magazines they do these days are all 18+, the other ones were all from 10 years ago. Part from that, I don't see why you should be pissed at me 'cause a client of my ad agency bought a banner on my site...

"Why don't you understand you are destroying this industry". Hm... I remember when I started 8 years ago. If I'm destroying the industry then I must be missing something... First of all the bannersales. Why do companies buy banners months in a row? 'cause they like to loose money? Don't think so. They make money off my banners? How? By paying 900$ to get a banner listed and selling 3000$ worth of memberships to PAID CONTENT. I think if you see my page as competition for your paysite that you either underestimate the quality of a paysite or you have a very shitty paysite. The latter I doubt. On my site you'll find listings to galleries. Ads on 'em, they don't load very fast sometimes, small series, not all niches covered and not all of someone's likings. A paysite offers big pics, quality series, live chats, big movies, no ads. The content that I link to is good, but it doesn't come close to the quality of a good paysite! My site started 8 years ago. I still hear people make money. I doubt you were in this business 8 years ago. So how can I all of a sudden be destroying a business while I'm still doing the exact same thing I did when I started. I have some ideas on what is making this business harder. But let's not get in to this right now (it has to do with agressive marketing)

"I will still stand my by message that I am not a sponsor that is banned by tpgs as I do not reckon you have the balls to ban me.". I'm a businessman and a programmer. I don't ban people 'cause of how they think of me. If you have a program that doesn't trap people in consoles, doesn't push blind ads and delivers to surfers what it says it does I would sooner recommand your program than ban it, no matter what statements you made to me. This has nothing to do with balls, this has to do with business ethics

"In my opinion the world of porn would be so better off with out you, why? Imagine you and I own a bar each, you on one side of the road mine the other, I am charging for beer while you are tapping in to my pipes and giving it away for free...which bar are the customers going to go to and who is going to go bankrupt?". I would be going bankrupt... How can I give away beer if I don't make any money... I give away beer, sure, but there's ads in there. A good paysite would have jacuzzi's with beer, series of the brand you like instead of all the different brands you'll find in my bar. I would be the bar that gives you one beer of brand x and one of brand y. If you like that beer that go to bar x to get unlimited supplies of brand x. And go to Krome's bar to get brand y. That's the way it works...

"In a perfect world there would be no free porn on the internet". There was a time when that happened. And then every paysite has a preview area. And then there were sites linking to those previews too... And those paysites loved it. Sure, 200 people would watch the preview and leave, but the people that did sign up made up for those that didn't. Plus they left the paysite with the profit. That's why the affiliate programs were invented. They weren't there when I started. Now they're all over. Stop paying people for building galleries and promoting your content through an affiliate program and you'll be making more in your theory. I mean, you can do your own search-engine tweaking, you don't need hundreds of affiliates to do that for you. I bet there will be one sponsor that still pays affiliates. And he'll get WAY more people to his site that don't sign up. But he'll also get more people that DO sign up. And eventually he'll be making more.

" then all I see is the content ending up suppling the tgp's with THEIR content"... AH! Now THERE's what's been bothering you! Let me assure you one thing: I do not approve of copyright violation. And if you have copyrighted content that's stolen from you and used by others that build a gallery of 'em that is submitted to my site I WOULD BE THE FIRST TO TAKE IT DOWN. And EVERYBODY here will confirm that! I don't steal from the rich and give to the poor. Somehow people seem to think I do though... I bring a lot of surfers to a site that should be built as a preview for what a surfer can sign up for. That's how people make money from my traffic. I think you should have dropped me an e-mail about this so I could do something about it. Sending a death-threat to someone through a public board is a way to get people's attention, but not their cooperation. Everybody here will confirm I'm more than willing to actively track doen people who steal your content and place it on galleries.

"Why should we have to try to sell a product when the product is available for free and the people giving it away for free already have the money in the bank?". I still fail to see how anybody could have money in the bank by giving everything away... How would I be making money than? Really, all that a paysite has to do is show how it can offer more of what peolpe want than a free site can. That's it. And some people here know very well how to do that. And those make good money from a listing on my gallery. Without stolen content...

"The documentary that got me really mad had him talking about how he didnt care about posting beastility and teen shit because it got him traffic.". This is not true. It simply is not true. Again, I love to see that documentary. And I love to talk to the people who are responsible for it! I would NEVER state something like that. It simply is NOT the way I work. Not even close! Hell, I don't do advertising for my site, I don't have blind links out, I don't submit to search-engines, I don't do fishy business. A comment like that would never had come from me. Not in a life interview, not on the phone, not on an e-mail. If these people stated I did I should sue 'em for slander. It's easy to tell on a documentary someone said something. But anybody here that even remotely knows me knows that a statement like that would never had come from me.

"bet you did not know but they are all pre paid like the way he sells listings on his tgp. You can get a CEN or ARS based gallery on the hun is you pay him $500"... Even I did not know that. It's false Krome, and you know that. You don't have ANYTHING to back that up. In fact, I CAN NOT EVEN add a gallery with ARS on it in my management program 'cause the robot would decline it. I just can't add the link. And why should I? What we sell is a placement on a guaranteed day on a guaranteed spot. That's it. Same rules apply, same blacklist applies. The reason I decline certain sponsors is 'cause of the agressive marketing they're pulling. Once a surfer is caught in a console loop two or three times he will not click a banner again (now I'm getting into what's hurting this industry in my eyes after all...), so that's why I decline a gallery like that. Blind links, entrapment, consoles, stuff like that pisses people off. And pissed off people don't buy. Simple as that. I would NEVER allow a paying sponsor to use programs on galleries that are not accepted on a free listing. I don't know where you have your information from, but it simply is a lie

Krome, seems to me you're pissed off about something that can be fixed easily. I don't want to support or link anybody that steals content from others. So drop me an e-mail and we'll work something out. You don't have a clear view on things. You're basing your anger on false assumptions. I see you're making statements even you know are overdone. You should try talking to people before you threatening to beat 'em up badly or even kill 'em. That will get you much further. You're thinking I'm something I'm not - based on what you heard...

You've been misinformed and you jumped to conclusions. I know the drill, I've been there myself. Jumping to conclusions is never right and getting pissed off at people for something that simply ain't true made me feel pretty stupid in the past. I always solved it by an appology and a check on where I got my information. Usually to find out I indeed was jumping on people for reasons they either were totally not responsible for or things that weren't even there. Not everything is always as bad as it seems at first... That's why we're human...

DynaMite takes of his hat for The Hun!

Nothing needs to be added here!

DynaMite

Excellent Post ! Straight and to the point.Perhaps yopu should take him up on his offer and send him an email, to straighten out your percieved wrong doing.:thumbsup

Dynamite post, Hun!

I still think you need Hun phone sex lines though :thumbsup

Krome, why don't you just email him about the offending content... Isn't it possible that some of your actual customers are posting their purchased images on Hun's site despite the fact that your license agreement might preclude it? If so, go after those guys... or the hosts where the pictures are... You could definately do that. Find a local scumbag attorney that's wants alot of volume on a contingency and sue everyone that has your content illegally.

Brad

What a sane discussion for GFY.

I completely understand Krome's position since I have also had my exclusive content ripped off and used for profit by unscrupulous parties. Also I have also been opposed to all the free content, etc. etc.

However after reading The Hun's post I am re-thinking a few of my objections. I thought Seventeen was illegal but I guess this is not the case. I also thought that TGP owners routinely turned a blind eye to copyright violations, but it seems like it will not be tolerated, at least not by the Hun.

What it comes down to if there is nothing illegal and no theft of pictures, then everythiong else is fair and there is really nothing to object to.

The simple fact is there is more competition now and to be more competitive you may have to be nicer to the surfer and even give away free samples. As long as someone else is not giving away your stuff for their own benefit.

posts like that are why 'thehun' stays #1

i should print this whole topic its good !:thumbsup

Krome are you just scared of competation? Danm the Hun has done something great for himself. This industry is just like everything else, you can hardly ever make a million dollars instantly. Just keep working hard quite wasting time complaing and work instead.
:2 cents:

Great response !!!!!
Krome get your act together.
We bow for the hun:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

Either TheHun is more wordy than I am -- or I've had more beers than TheHun...

;)

Anyway I don't think anyone mentioned how much a pain in the ass it probably is to watch every TGP for stolen content -- maybe APIC is the answer -- maybe not hehe... I think there are probably some scripts that could scan the large TGP's for checksum's -- but that wouldn't work if the pics have been edited... maybe there is a geek answer out there guys? Is there a way to add some sort of digital signature to a .JPG file that can't be easily removed by resizing the files? If there was some sort of permanent signature I'm pretty sure a really cool script could scan all the pics on all the TGP's for stolen content...

Bring on the nerds...