1 MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION: WHO IS ICM Registry .XXX ?????
 

This is the question of the day:

I keep hearing that what the ICM Registry/.XXX is doing is for the good and protection of children, a super noble cause. Well we kind of know who this Jason Hendeles guy is sort of. I really dont know him, and is he in the adult industry or has he ever been. Why i ask that, is cause he is claiming to represent our industry. You would think such a great cause and such a great thing, we would at least get to know who is part of this group?

Ok, so here is another interesting point of the .xxx deal: Why would some of these people who belong to this group have to "buy" there votes, and hide in the dark? Hey stand up and tell us who you are, let us know how great the .XXX deal is going to be, show us what stand up guys you really are.

That will never happen cause you are weak, and will not be able to look anyone in the industry in the face again if you plan goes thru. I know there is a very large group that will file suite to "crack open" your company, so all of us on the internet can see who you are.

I bring all this up cause these are questions that many many people have asked me and its something that is on my mind.

:helpme

they are my bitches

pipecrewregistry.com is.

i admit it,i dont know :(

Hey Mr. DJ...hope you are all ready to go deep White Trash style... :thumbsup

Didn't he start the adult side of the Internet after Gore launched it?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

the internet is for porn

Do I get a chance to win 1Mill if I answer or what?

f U C K . X X X

People need to stop being so damn jealous. Do you think Monster.com is mad at the group behind .jobs? Do you think Expedia hates whoever came up with .travel (Tralliance Corporation)? Do you think Motorola should sue Nokia, Vodafone, and Microsoft for proposing .mobi?

God damn it grow up people. The group behind .xxx is a bunch of smart business men. While you were playing with tiny TGPs, they thought about this. Con artists? LOL. Get over it. Are they in it for the money? Yes. Are you in the porn industry for the money? You better be if you want a good future for your kids. Instead of complaining - ADJUST your business to a new upcoming environment.

anyway we can supeona the minutes of these corps? asacp, icm ect etc..
this will help us get to the bottom of things for sure.

Duke

big difference dude.. .jobs never inteded to be the new net nanny or have people lobby for it who will benefit from it monetarilly.

:2 cents:
Duke

Only the porn people are so paranoid.

Sure, Tralliance Corporation (operator of .travel) has formed the non-profit The Travel Partnership Corporation. Does this mean the CEO makes no money? :winkwink: Do you think people won't fight for freevacation.travel? Oh wait, or you guys think freevacation.com must own it just because? .XXX is no different. Just because the folks from ICM Registry don't hang out on GFY doesn't mean they're not in the industry. If it wasn't them, it'd have been someone else.

i am white trash baby!

my fam is coming

http://www.airek.com/gfy/air_holland2.jpg


ok, they are on the plane baby.

http://www.airek.com/gfy/80s.jpg

Are you serious or trolling? The other groups you mention are not making a profit at the expense of the free speech rights of all online users. They are also not threatening to bring down the entire industries which they are supposed to be serving.

Your comparisons are ridiculous - either because you haven't thought about what you're writing or because you have some interest in defending the people pushing .xxx. Either way, you're wrong.

This is not just about competition or business, this is a lot bigger than that.

If you put short term money ahead of your civil liberties and the long term viability of an entire industry, that's your problem, but don't expect others to be as short sighted as you are.

www.icmregistry.com
Stuart Lawley, Chairman & President
Stuart Duncan, CEO
Jason Hendeles, Vice President
Len Bayles, CTO

I have never heard of the guy. He must be a real leader in the industry.

Tell us noobs that dont know much about this.

What are they proposing here. All of us give up our .com that we have worked so hard for and switch over .xxx just because they want $. Am i right or wrong?

Of course I am serious. I'm sick of these lame "oh .xxx is so bad, fuck them" threads. See, the moment someone disagrees with you it must be because they are being paid by ICM or otherwise affiliated with them? Paranoia galore.

I know that .xxx will have bad implications on some adult businesses, especially since many domains can become worthless over night and you may not get your existing .com in the .xxx version. I myself will be affected by this as I own some pretty damn good ones. But instead of crying here, you can do something about it. If you believe the threat is imminent - get a trademark your own favorite .xxx names. It takes 5 minutes and a few hundred dollars. This is the cost of doing business, especially in such a volatile industry.

Don't let your fears take over your business sense. If it wasn't ICM Registry, it would have been some other venture. Even if a more stable coalition were behind .xxx, it would have still existed eventually, which means the government and ISPs could still enforce stricter regulations or entirely block them. So it DOES NOT MAKE A FUCKING DIFFERENCE. Deal with the implications and move on. It happens in the [real] business world every day.

And say Lensman was behind .xxx, would that change the fact that the government would then have the ability to control porn much easier? Or that ISPs could block .xxx sites? Nope. Choose your battles folks. It's the government that's after us, not ICM.

I agree, let's get all these questions answered.

But the fact that people we "don't know" yet are hovering around our business, and seem to be motivated by FAT CASH should neither surprise us nor appall us. If you think we need allies from outside the industry to survive -- and you may not, but if you think we do -- do you expect that those allies will be motivated by ideology alone?

Limits, in one form or other, are GOING TO BE imposed -- there is simply no denying that.

When I say the following I am NOT speaking specifically about the .XXX issue -- but in GENERAL...

We are in the extraordinarily unique position of being an industry with both the enormous profitability of a "Sin Biz", and a political / ideological ARGUMENT for why we should be allowed to exist. Alcohol didn't have that. Gambling didn't have that.

Both of those industries faced crisis, and both emerged from crisis, having configured themselves for long-term, legal prosperity. How did they do it? They did it by forging (and accepting) alliances with government and with other industries with which they could partner to significant mutual benefit.

Allowing other people we have never heard of to make some money (at least partly) on our backs is probably not something we're going to be able to avoid. Plus it seems a little hypocritical that we should cry First Amendent whenever we feel "censored", then act suspicious of anybody who wants to throw us a rope if we pay them for it -- :2 cents:



j-

The industry (whatever circle of friends you consider to be called the industry) had enough time (FIVE years) to fight the group behind .xxx. Why ask all those questions NOW? I guess new cars are more important than future financial stability for some.

Intellegent post, Jack.

Porn ain't going anywhere.

and IMHO, .XXX isn't going to put everyone out of business - I'm more concerned with the implications 2257 has over the next 18 days.

:2 cents:

Jay... I will remind you of this when some sniper takes TheContentStore.xxx out from under you. You'll be fully 2257 compliant with no domain to use. I hope you've trademarked. Which brings me to the sex.com video you provided to Donovan. Do you want to go thru all the legal expenses and lost sleep over litigation for your domain? I don't. YOU are a major player in the biz with more history than most of us. Many of us look up to you and listen to your advice but, I have to disagree here. 2257 is manageable.. sux ass and I hate it, but it's manageable for most of us. Loosing a shot at registering our .xxx versions of our sites because we all know the choice ones will be handed out in these backroom deals and/or then one day soon .xxx censored by some ISPs or Visa, is NOT manageable.

I'll take having our 9-5 office with a filing cabinet of 2257 records over that anyday.

I love you.. you know this... Now lets drink some Purple Jesus at the show next week and REALLY talk this over. Maybe I'm "missing it" and need it explained better.

:thumbsup

.xxx is represented in the domain industry. Attend the conferences and you will be filled in.

Alot of interesting information in google when you type that name.

Jason Hendeles is Founder/CEO of ATech Registrars
Jason Hendeles is Founder/CEO of ICM Registry Inc

According to this article:
http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc12/msg00033.html
He was the owner of adult.info
I just quickly read it, but from what i got out of it - he is getting first dibs on all the good xxx domains!

Cauz only the people in porn have so many people arround them not doing stuff right .

$pikes,

You know I have massive respect for and love for you and AND your views. You're making a lot of assumptions about how this .xxx thing is going to be handled, bro - and I doubt very highly that ANY domain is going to be handed out to anyone in a backroom deal - too many eyes watching ... industry wide, as well as ICANN and MANY OTHERS!

You're smart enough to know that some of the opposition ARE opposition NOW because they coudn't guarantee they were going to get THEIR's in a backroom deal.

:winkwink:

And yes, because of this and numerous other reasons it's mandatory to trademark domain names I we ALL conduct business under. However, I don't believe that it can or will be mandated that we give up .coms and be required to only do business on .xxx's.

I explained why last night to Mike :winkwink:

The argument that Visa and ISP's will "censor" .XXX is more viable, yet will reign down a shit storm of lawsuits and create other opportunities for alternative payment systems and ISP's that will vigorously court adult business. SURFERS THAT WANT PORN WILL GET PORN! If things go the way you believe, we'll see more qualified customers and waste less bandwidth.

You say that 2257 is managable and I agree. I also believe that .xxx will be managable too.

Although they BOTH may make conducting business more difficult initially, neither will shut it down. Savy business people will make the adjustments necessary to continue on - and others will simply give up. The pie gets bigger. The strong will survive. It's the law of the jungle.

:2 cents:

@$60 per Domain its gonna be alot of pie.

http://www.icann.org/tlds/kids3/HTML/Volume_2.html

The Sunrise Program
ICM Registry will permit the following organizations the ability to pre-register domain names prior to the new top-level domain going live:
-Qualified trademark owners; and
-Qualified Adult-Content Providers who currently operate Web Sites.

How does one qualify as an Adult-Content Provider? Therefor Trademark not necessarily needed for preregistration?

60 bucks a pop thats HighWay Robbery. Plus this will make it soo easy for ISP's to block all xxx's

Very good points man... maybe I'm out of the loop. I'll talk to Mike tonight. :thumbsup

"In addition, adult content leaders fully back the establishment of these TLD?s. The twin TLD?s provide a powerful solution to the challenging debate that has circled the content issues."


Thats a riot.

From my point of view the best strategy against .XXX is to add as many other 'adult domains' like .PORN .SEX etc. I know it is not easy to convince ICANN :winkwink: but with the argument 'protect the children' it should be possible...

NEGRODAMUS should know

:thumbsup

... and I don't think you're out of the loop at all - there are a lot of assumptions and speculation. Some based on logic and some - (not pertaining to your statements) not so much.

:2 cents:

interesting...

I've read that bit takes about 1 year.... and it's completely not fair that I trademark f.e porno.xxx so that I will get in nin the sunrise period and then I can laugh in the face of all the honest webmasters who were waiting for the first minutes of registration. :disgust

They may have a policy by which Adult.com will be entitled for "HardcorePartying.xxx" thanks to their existing brand, but I doubt owners of generic domains will get their hands on the equivalent .xxx version. Time will tell.