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Have any of you guys heard or use Exploitedteens.com --- Well, basically it's a site run by a guy who goes out and get all these young models by tricking and exploiting them into doing whatever he wants with to them and at the same time recording everything the girl does to him (the tour even says "HOLY FUCKING SHIT! Are You Ready To Watch Me TRICK & EXPLOIT These YOUNG, SKINNY AND WHITE
little Model Wannabe's?"). I'm sure these girls doesn't have any idea what they are getting into, not realizing where they will be seen my millions of people on the net and etc... Sure they'll probably signed some kind of agreement but I doubt they ever read it. I was thinking of signing up with their partnership program since it the site does look amazing, but felt sorry for the girls and is currently debating on whether or not I should use them, has that ever happened to you? LOL

Here, you guys check out the tour page and you let me know what you think
http://exploitedteens.com/tour2/

[This message has been edited by Rice_Master (edited 08-23-2001).]

Personally, I don't believe the text on that site. I think that 100% of the models on that web site are being paid in one way or another and are not being exploited.
It's just advertising on a porn site, don't believe everything you read.


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The scenario is not that unusual. The girls we shoot (all over 18 I might add) typically pay US for the photo shoots and sign away all rights prior to photographs. Of course they get portfolios and whatnot, but most do not realize their photos will be on calendars, posters, and 20 million porn sites all over the globe.
I think he may have some legal problems though if he's shooting kids.

He's not shooting kids....all of his models are 18+ http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

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You're kidding right?

it's an advertising ploy...

something that we all do... Promoting hot young nymphos that just love to have sex, when what they really love is to stuff their wallet with money.

What is so funny pensfan? I am being totally honest with you, that's how I feel. Put yourself in one of the girl's situation, say you needed a quick few hundreds, so you agreed on shooting a sex scene with the guy, but you have no idea that you'll be seen by millions of people, perhaps might even be your friends and relatives, your life would be so fucked up, and nothing in the world could you ever do to take that back.

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I agree. After looking at it, if he pays, I say go for it. The very first paragraph says they are all over 18, and I'm sure they had a pretty good idea what they were doing when they were staring into the lens with a mouth full of dick.

The girls know exactly what they're getting into, and they are paid to do it...

What the hell would they think would happen when they sign a model release, relinquishing all rights to their name and likeness, and then the guy says hey how are you, why don't you put my dick in your mouth? and they do it right in front of the camera. It's not like they were drugged, or drunk, they willingly look into a camera, and take a mouth full of cock.

I'm just baffled by the thought of this... Personally the concept is great, the movies kick ass, and I wish I was the guy http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

Fuck em! Women like the attention anyway

Yes...women like the attention of having guys cum all over them. Just ask any girl who has not been molested by her father or brothers. She will tell you it's her favorite thing in the world.

I don't agree with them liking the attention, I'm just saying that if they sign the release, and take the money for the job, if they have regrets after the shoot, they should have thought about it harder. I don't believe in taking advantage of talent of any gender, but if you're up front with them, then they have to deal with the consequences.

I thought it was funny that you actually bought the whole thing about them being taken advantage of... The models I know are always in control, and have no problem telling a photographer to fuck off if they don't like what he's doing...

Do I detect a note of sarcasm?

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I don't agree with them liking the attention, I'm just saying that if they sign the release, and take the money for the job, if they have regrets after the shoot, they should have thought about it harder. I don't believe in taking advantage of talent of any gender, but if you're up front with them, then they have to deal with the consequences.

I thought it was funny that you actually bought the whole thing about them being taken advantage of... The models I know are always in control, and have no problem telling a photographer to fuck off if they don't like what he's doing...

I really dont know what to think anymore. Lately Ive been having real personal problems with this whole industry. Maybe Im in the wrong business. Maybe it's time for me to join the peace corps and get the hell out of here.

I feel guilty about (IMO) what I feel to be the exploitation of women. Yes, they signed a paper...but does that legal document mean that they are not being exploited?

I feel guilty, but not guilty enough to stop pushing hardcore or teen programs on my sites. I like the nice "things" porn has paid for. I like the lifestyle I live. There is no way I could live the way I do with a 9-5 type of job. There is no way I could survive getting up and going to a job every day...5 days a week, 52 weeks a year, for the next 40 odd years.

I received a lot of heat when I posted a thread about a guy who stayed on my dialer for 20 minutes. People felt I was ripping off the surfer..."exploiting" his porn addiction.

At the end of the day...when it all comes down to it...who is exploiting who? Is it the girls? Is it the porn addicted surfer? Is it the webmaster who's marriage is failing because of what he or she does for a living? Who knows??? I sure dont http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/frown.gif

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The 'exploited' angle of the site is a load of crap. I recognize some of the photos (i.e. the second photo is the girl from http://www.tinylisa.com/ , who's also in videos on ideepthroat.com) If you watch any of those videos that girl, for one, knows exactly what's gonna happen.

Christ... it's wholly possible I've seen way too much porn.

Im sure the children working in Indonesian sweatshops like it a lot better than starving on the streets...is it still not exploitation?

Hahaha.. that's the funniest this i've heard all day.

Try walking down the street and "trick" some girls into "exposing" themselves. See what kinda response you get.

Of course he pays them. Most of them are actually professional models ie. Diamond 4 Ever, April Flowers etc....

It's all about marketing. And he probably got 10 sales from this thead.

I must say you are one funny guy. Thats the biggest pile of bullshit i have ever heard.


The basics of business and getting somewhere in life is usually (not always) you have to EXPLOIT people.

Obviously you have not done a shoot with a model, they are not desperate 18 year olds with no where to live, they are professionals who would rather be paid x amount an hour and have a decent life then work at mcdonalds for the rest of there life.

Mr Rice Master explain to me what exactly you are doing in the biz? Unless of course you own ExplotedTeens and if u do nice bit of advertising.

Boneprone exploits is family for sexual favours on a daily basis, but he told me not to tell.

"their partnership program since it the site does look amazing"

more i think about it the more i think this guy is doing some well thought out spam and owns the program?

or am i still drunk?

Exxxotica,

As for you asking does this biz exploit women I would have to say yes it does. But, I say that with this qualifier - women who are appearing in porn movies/mags/pics ect are exploiting themselves and are exchanging this expolitation for money. While I don't know many people personally that have been in porn movies/pics ect I still have to say that it's a pretty simple sitution you are offered money to do whatever is agreed upon. If they want you to fuck some guy in the back of a van and are willing to pay you $1000 to do it then the question of the exploitation falls in the models hands. either she does it or she doesn't and if she does then she goes into it with full knowlage that she is being exploited.

But I feel that the real people being expoited here are the surfers. Like you said some guy spent 20 minutes on a dialer ( I have to say that personally I think all dialers - at least every one of them that I have seen - are scams ) to feed his porn additiction. the question is, is he really a porn addict or was he just a horny guy looking at pictures and trying to find one that really turnned him so he could beat off to it and didn't realize he was getting charged 8 bucks a minute? Or what about all of these sites that say they have naked pics of britney spears but when you get inside you rrealzie they are just fakes. Or some of the scammer paysites that bill you for a full month regardless of whether or not you cancel your trial membership. The people that fall victim to these scams, the surfer, are the real ones beiong expoited. I don't for a second try to tell myself that there are no porn addicts hitting my sites and buying memberships to my sponsers sites but I also say that, like the women that model for these sites, they go into with under thier own free will. I see it as nothing different than a store that sells beer and cigarettes. They know that the people that are buying cigs are addicted to them and that some of thier beer customers are alcholic, but that doesn't stop them from selling it nor do they feel guilty about it. What I actually find disturbing about that expolited teen site isn't that the models did the work but that there is a market out there where guys want to see young women being "taken advantage of".

I guess what I am saying is that I agree with you about this biz exploiting women but that I can't feel guilty about it because these women make choices for themselves. I can't feel guilty about knowing that at some point someone had bought something from one of my sites to feed his porn addiction because he to did this of his own free will. If a woman was threatened with bodily harm unless she did a photo shoot or some guy was forced by authorities to quit his job so that he could stay home, surf and whack off 12 times a day then I would feel guilt. the only real guilt I feel is that I am in a biz where people make money off of having sites that cater to preditors which IMO is what this exploitedteens site does

[This message has been edited by kane (edited 08-24-2001).]

'Exploited' is very much a relative term. 12 year olds used to work in factories in the 20's and 30's - par for the course back then. Nowadays you'd be prosecuted in minutes. From the Sultan of Brunei's [1] viewpoint, all of us are being exploited by merely having to work at all.

In many instances, such as adult modeling, the only person really qualified to determine if someone's being exploited is the models themselves.

[1] Check out the sweet flash intro on the Sultan's official website, http://www.bruneisultan.com . Plus a photo of his 167,000 square foot pad.

[This message has been edited by Tucks (edited 08-24-2001).]

I think the guy is doing a good job and is having a good time.. He definately has talent and charm with the ladies.. You WISH you were in his shoes.. It's Unique and different and it gets a 10 in my book..

Everyone has a fucking teen site..His stuff is different,and thats what sells..I hope he doesnt get aids...Wear that glove dude..

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Geez man...lay off the booze before you post.

Firstly, let me say that I know he is paying his models and I know its just a marketing ploy and that the models all know what they are doing when they sign up.

However, with that said I still am not signing up for the program no matter how well it sells. Its a personal choice but I don't like the fantasy the site is selling. Being a smut merchant in this country is hard enough with out someone going through my sites and saying 'look you link to a site called Exploited teens..you sick bitch.'

Its like fake rape sites and fake incest sites. Heck, I refuse to promote any site that has Lolita in its name. I know its not real but I *personally* don't like playing into the fantasy and I don't want to give fuel to those trying to find an excuse to put more restrictions on the online porn industry.

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How interesting,

Porn Webmasters with Morals.

Give me a fucking break!

This has got to be the funniest thread I've read on any message board in quite a while.

Shit, if getting paid for what you do makes you exploited, then my 16-18 hours day deserve some consideration.

You have concerns about this business? Then get out. McDonald's has many concerns about selling 700 calerie, 50 gram of fat burgers. Microsoft has many concerns about ripping off people for piece of crap operating systems.

And we all know Ford and Firestone have many concerns about people dying driving their cars and using their tires.

You've got to be kidding me.

Hey you, Las Vegas whore. I'm going to pay you $500 to fuck you up the ass and have you suck my dick afterwards. This will make you famous. Sign here....

They normally do that shit for much less or even free sometimes.

Ask Alisha Klass... lol!

Get a fucking grip!

Let me ask a serious question to this rather unserious thread http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

What are the typical rates that one would offer an 18-21 year old model for shooting a sex scene?

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Oh but your honor I paid the pimp money to screw the little girl so she wasn't exploited.

Yeah I do have morals. I do modeling too so I know both sides of the coin. Do you? Just cause I sell smut doesn't take those away. Anyway like I said its personal morals. I stick mostly to the mature and BBW stuff partially cause I can sell them better than I can teens (perhaps cause I let those morals get in the way) and partially cause I don't really have to worry about people thinking they are underage.

Tho saying that when I was doing Ifriends a long time ago I had some report *me* saying they thought I was underage so I guess it does happen in my niche too.

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most the girls are actually french whores from montreal...

I'm planning to start shooting content this year or begin next year. I don't want drunk girls or girls that are tricked by telling them lies.
I will just make it all clear to them.
There are alot of girls that are willing to show their body and more to the rest of the world without tricking them.

I'm with SonOfRage on this one...morals are all well and good, but at the end of the day, that immoral money is gonna be made by someone, and I'd much rather it was me holding the cash.

So you're saying you'd rather exploit fat girls and old ladies with no self esteem?

Whew! Man that makes a lot of sense!

there's no forcing them to suck dick on that site, it says they are promised to be famous, and they end up sucking dick to do it... Putting this in the category with simulated rape sites is absolutely regoddamndiculous!

It's people with this hypocritical mentality that make this country the hell hole it has become!

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You gotta take into account that these girls are looking ((((right into the camera)))). They know they're being filmed, which means they're fully aware they're performing sex acts on tape. Sorry, but they're not innocent little girl-next-door types, they're bustin'-into-porn@18 chicks.

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