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Public_Enemy 06-14-2004 12:04 PM

Cheap Bandwidth?
 
Hey Guys, I got approached by this guy about buying his extra bandwidth that he doesn't use, he's got a 100mb pipe.

He's looking for a few ppl to take up some of it, what would you consider a good price for say, 1MBS worth of traffic?

Also, would anyone be interested in coming in?

Thanks!

SpeakEasy 06-14-2004 12:11 PM

He really shouldnt have committed to a full 100 meg line:2 cents:
but anyway your question requires more info ie what provider is the BW? and support with it?? will he renew the BW after his current contract is up??

Public_Enemy 06-14-2004 12:26 PM

Okay, he tells me it's a tier one provider, so really fast, and he just started this new contract. He already has another 100meg pipe, and thought he needed another. Which he doesn't.

Does 100 bucks for 1mb/s sound good? That's like what? 700MB of transfer traffic right?

Herb Kornfield 06-14-2004 12:35 PM

1mpbs = 320GB.

Where is the BW terminating at? ( colo facility?, his premesis? )

Disco_Stu 06-14-2004 01:16 PM

If you only need 1 mbps then buy a T1 line for your house :2 cents:

Magg 06-14-2004 01:17 PM

In the real world 1Mbps = about 200gb of actual transfer.

Public_Enemy 06-14-2004 01:17 PM

The bandwidth is at his colo.

For 100 bucks, it sounds to be a good deal. A T1 into my house would cost way more.

Magg 06-14-2004 01:20 PM

You're just trying to sell bandwidth for your company or something you douche.


$100/mbps is a rip off - you cant even tell us who the carriers are, or what the colo facility is.


if anyone wants bandwidth, I'll offer it to them at $60/mbps with internap, mci, level3, nac, savvis, reach and globix in bgp4.

FiberNexus 06-14-2004 01:26 PM

A) First of all, what are you going to be using this bandwidth for?
B) Ask him what providers he has for his 100mbps - if it's cogent, then you're getting ripped off.
C) I can provide you far better pricing on colo/bandwidth - and I can almost guarantee it'll be better bandwidth, as we have 6 major backbone providers.

If you're interested, please contact me via ICQ, or [email protected].

Public_Enemy 06-14-2004 01:27 PM

Not mine, I was actually trying to see what the pricing is. Talk about being an asshole. I wouldn't buy from you just for the insult. But thanks for the price, I'm gonna go back to him now and let him know what he has to beat.

:)

Brad Mitchell 06-14-2004 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Magg
In the real world 1Mbps = about 200gb of actual transfer.
It's possible but far from being true across the board.

Did you get your site design from templatemonster?

lol

It's not an unreasonable thread there wasn't any reason for you to jump in here and start spamming your shit. Besides, I'd guess you're just a reseller of someone else yourself.

Cheers,

Brad

Magg 06-14-2004 01:30 PM

Uh, no its not from templatemonster, it cost a couple thousand to have it custom made douchebag.


www.webprosys.com made it - hes worked with ceonex before on contracted projects.


SinEmpire - The average webmaster will not get more than 200GB or so out of 1Mbps.

320GB is the technical equivalent but you wont get that.

FiberNexus 06-14-2004 01:33 PM

*Poke* Public Enemy, what's your ICQ?

Brad Mitchell 06-14-2004 01:41 PM

ok first things first

I asked if it was done by template monster because it looks like their work and they are notorious for NOT using pictures of real servers on their website - just like yours doesn't use photos of rack mount servers.

If you paid a few thousand you definitely overpaid, you should try Twin Dreams next time.. or perhaps ask those designers to use photos of actual servers.

With regard to the "REAL" usage with 1 megabit on average being 200+- gigs... man, eat this MRTG chart, this client got 327 gigs out on .98/mbit average usage.

http://www.mojohost.com/mrtgsamples/sample7.bmp

Cheers,

Brad

Magg 06-14-2004 01:44 PM

I did say, the *average* webmaster would only get 200gb or so out of it.


It is of course possible to, but with normal traffic and usage patterns itll most likely be 200gb.


And where were we speaking about 1Mbps on average?

FiberNexus 06-14-2004 01:44 PM

http://twindreams.com/display.php

Is that them?

They don't look very good... maybe they're cheap?

Or maybe you were talking about someone else? I went to check it out as I'm *ALWAYS* looking into getting my many sites re-designed lol.

Magg 06-14-2004 01:46 PM

www.twindreams.com ?


BTW those servers on the site were custom 3d made at additional cost.. (the ones in the flash and theres more which you cant see because I disabled the dedicated server order pages)

Public_Enemy 06-14-2004 01:47 PM

Thanks everyone for the help and pricing. I got a better deal than I expected. I usually don't deal with tier 1 type of bandwidth, mostly overseas stuff, so the pricing info helped a bunch. :)

Public_Enemy 06-14-2004 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FiberNexus
*Poke* Public Enemy, what's your ICQ?
dont' have icq, email me please [email protected]

Thanks.

FiberNexus 06-14-2004 01:51 PM

E-mail is on the way, thank you.

Brad Mitchell 06-14-2004 05:27 PM

FiberNexus -

I can't speak to the samples on their web site but I'm sure if you ICQ sharky he'll show you some nice designs. If I'm not mistaken, they're busy all the time with orders and I wouldn't be surprised if they simply haven't made the time to add more samples to their web site.

Magg -

When someone is talking about the "theoretical" usage on 1 megabit, they would only be talking about on average. Obviously not 95th percentile. Why would you have "special" server renderings done instead of showing clients what you're actually using? That's shady!

Brad

Magg 06-14-2004 06:15 PM

You're a dumbass for trying to use this as a way to promote yourself.

VeriSexy 06-14-2004 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Public_Enemy
Okay, he tells me it's a tier one provider, so really fast, and he just started this new contract. He already has another 100meg pipe, and thought he needed another. Which he doesn't.

Does 100 bucks for 1mb/s sound good? That's like what? 700MB of transfer traffic right?

Dude some guy on another board is offering MB/s of bandwidth for $2000 a month (Non Cogent) $100/mbs is not good :(

VeriSexy 06-14-2004 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Magg
www.twindreams.com ?


BTW those servers on the site were custom 3d made at additional cost.. (the ones in the flash and theres more which you cant see because I disabled the dedicated server order pages)


I think http://www.foundrynap.com/ looks great :thumbsup

Magg 06-14-2004 06:23 PM

Just so you guys dont get conned into crap bandwidth, here are the top leaders of crap bandwidth:


Williams
HE.net
Yipes
Cogent


From worst to not so worst.

VeriSexy 06-14-2004 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Magg
Its HE.net which is worse then Cogent :2 cents:
Weird, then why does Thehun.net use He.net? I think He.net is better than Cogent :)

Magg 06-14-2004 06:25 PM

Because its cheap :Graucho


They offload almost all, if not all, transit to Wiltel which is pure crap :2 cents:

VeriSexy 06-14-2004 06:26 PM

10 50 ms 50 ms 51 ms 50 ms 50 ms 51 ms 188 ms 206 ms 50 ms 51 ms 50 ms 50 ms sntcca2lce1-gige7-0.wcg.net [64.200.149.21]
11 56 ms 50 ms 51 ms 51 ms 51 ms 52 ms 50 ms 51 ms 51 ms 51 ms 51 ms 51 ms sntcca1wcx1-pos9-0.net [64.200.240.217]
12 52 ms 51 ms 52 ms 51 ms 52 ms 53 ms 52 ms 51 ms 51 ms 51 ms 51 ms 52 ms sntcca4lcx1-pos12-0.wcg.net [64.200.149.46]
13 50 ms 50 ms 50 ms 50 ms 51 ms 51 ms 50 ms 51 ms 50 ms 51 ms 50 ms 50 ms sntcca4lce1-hurricane-gige.wcg.net [64.200.150.106]
14 51 ms 51 ms 51 ms 50 ms 51 ms 52 ms 51 ms 51 ms 51 ms 51 ms 51 ms 51 ms pos2-3.gsr12416.pao.he.net [66.220.13.42]
15 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms 51 ms 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms 51 ms 52 ms pos2-0.gsr12012.fmt.he.net [64.62.249.121]
16 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms powerapp1.ehpg.net [64.71.165.210]


Looks good to me. Thehun.net would not trust his servers to something cheap and not reliable :2 cents:

VeriSexy 06-14-2004 06:27 PM

Here are my pings to your server

10 112 ms 113 ms 112 ms 113 ms 112 ms so-0-0-0.bbr1.NewYork1.Level3.net [64.159.0.234]
11 113 ms 113 ms 112 ms 114 ms 114 ms so-9-0.hsa1.Newark1.Level3.net [4.68.113.46]
12 105 ms 105 ms 105 ms 104 ms 105 ms [4.78.136.6]
13 103 ms 104 ms 104 ms 104 ms 104 ms 626.gig3-6.cr1.nyc01.hahahahahaha.net [207.99.54.141]
14 104 ms 104 ms 105 ms 105 ms 104 ms 626.gig1-3.cr2.jrcy01.hahahahahaha.net [64.237.32.25]
15 105 ms 104 ms 105 ms 105 ms 104 ms 626.gig1-1.cr1.jrcy01.hahahahahaha.net [64.237.32.54]
16 104 ms 104 ms 105 ms 105 ms 104 ms jrcy1.foundrynapcom-hahahahahaha.com [64.237.32.10]
17 107 ms 105 ms 105 ms 104 ms 104 ms web.foundrynap.com [66.55.137.82]

hahahahahaha = C H O O P A

Magg 06-14-2004 06:27 PM

www.webhostingtalk.com


Go to the colocation forum; ask about HE.net

Magg 06-14-2004 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by VeriSexy
Here are my pings to your server

10 112 ms 113 ms 112 ms 113 ms 112 ms so-0-0-0.bbr1.NewYork1.Level3.net [64.159.0.234]
11 113 ms 113 ms 112 ms 114 ms 114 ms so-9-0.hsa1.Newark1.Level3.net [4.68.113.46]
12 105 ms 105 ms 105 ms 104 ms 105 ms [4.78.136.6]
13 103 ms 104 ms 104 ms 104 ms 104 ms 626.gig3-6.cr1.nyc01.hahahahahaha.net [207.99.54.141]
14 104 ms 104 ms 105 ms 105 ms 104 ms 626.gig1-3.cr2.jrcy01.hahahahahaha.net [64.237.32.25]
15 105 ms 104 ms 105 ms 105 ms 104 ms 626.gig1-1.cr1.jrcy01.hahahahahaha.net [64.237.32.54]
16 104 ms 104 ms 105 ms 105 ms 104 ms jrcy1.foundrynapcom-hahahahahaha.com [64.237.32.10]
17 107 ms 105 ms 105 ms 104 ms 104 ms web.foundrynap.com [66.55.137.82]



You do know you are probably on the west coast, or someplace far off?


Here are my pings:

Reply from 66.55.137.82: bytes=32 time=18ms TTL=50
Reply from 66.55.137.82: bytes=32 time=20ms TTL=50
Reply from 66.55.137.82: bytes=32 time=20ms TTL=50
Reply from 66.55.137.82: bytes=32 time=20ms TTL=50

VeriSexy 06-14-2004 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Magg
www.webhostingtalk.com


Go to the colocation forum; ask about HE.net

Dude if I know about the $2000 deal I know about webhostingtalk. I been on He.net for a long time also :)

VeriSexy 06-14-2004 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Magg
You do know you are probably on the west coast, or someplace far off?


Here are my pings:

Reply from 66.55.137.82: bytes=32 time=18ms TTL=50
Reply from 66.55.137.82: bytes=32 time=20ms TTL=50
Reply from 66.55.137.82: bytes=32 time=20ms TTL=50
Reply from 66.55.137.82: bytes=32 time=20ms TTL=50

Yes, Westcoast. What are your pings to TheHun server?

Magg 06-14-2004 06:32 PM

Reply from 64.71.165.210: bytes=32 time=110ms TTL=47
Reply from 64.71.165.210: bytes=32 time=110ms TTL=47
Reply from 64.71.165.210: bytes=32 time=109ms TTL=47
Reply from 64.71.165.210: bytes=32 time=110ms TTL=47

lallang 06-14-2004 06:33 PM

Hurricane Electric (HE.net) is IMHO, a very respectable provider that doesn't skimp on quality equipment or customer service.

They've always had rock solid bandwidth, delivered over their own nationwide network. They're no internap, but definitely orders of magnitude superior to cogent.

Magg 06-14-2004 06:33 PM

heres from that box you were pinging of mine

root@webserver [~]# ping 64.71.165.210
PING 64.71.165.210 (64.71.165.210) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 64.71.165.210: icmp_seq=1 ttl=52 time=79.0 ms
64 bytes from 64.71.165.210: icmp_seq=2 ttl=52 time=78.8 ms
64 bytes from 64.71.165.210: icmp_seq=3 ttl=52 time=79.1 ms
64 bytes from 64.71.165.210: icmp_seq=4 ttl=52 time=79.0 ms

Pornwolf 06-14-2004 06:35 PM

$19.90

At least that's what you would pay per meg at Webair for the 10mbs unlimited plan.

Magg 06-14-2004 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lallang
Hurricane Electric (HE.net) is IMHO, a very respectable provider that doesn't skimp on quality equipment or customer service.

They've always had rock solid bandwidth, delivered over their own nationwide network. They're no internap, but definitely orders of magnitude superior to cogent.


OK, now tell me what knowledge you have that you can stand by that statement of utter crap?

You know their Fremont location gets DDOSed daily and has had many downtimes.

Doesnt skimp on quality equipment? What about that 6 hour long(i forget exactly how long) down-time they had only 1 or 2 months ago... not including all the ddos downtimes they have had....

OR the fact that a ton of their IPs are listed in spam databases and HE.net isnt doing anything about it.

Magg 06-14-2004 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by VeriSexy
10 50 ms 50 ms 51 ms 50 ms 50 ms 51 ms 188 ms 206 ms 50 ms 51 ms 50 ms 50 ms sntcca2lce1-gige7-0.wcg.net [64.200.149.21]
11 56 ms 50 ms 51 ms 51 ms 51 ms 52 ms 50 ms 51 ms 51 ms 51 ms 51 ms 51 ms sntcca1wcx1-pos9-0.net [64.200.240.217]
12 52 ms 51 ms 52 ms 51 ms 52 ms 53 ms 52 ms 51 ms 51 ms 51 ms 51 ms 52 ms sntcca4lcx1-pos12-0.wcg.net [64.200.149.46]
13 50 ms 50 ms 50 ms 50 ms 51 ms 51 ms 50 ms 51 ms 50 ms 51 ms 50 ms 50 ms sntcca4lce1-hurricane-gige.wcg.net [64.200.150.106]
14 51 ms 51 ms 51 ms 50 ms 51 ms 52 ms 51 ms 51 ms 51 ms 51 ms 51 ms 51 ms pos2-3.gsr12416.pao.he.net [66.220.13.42]
15 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms 51 ms 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms 51 ms 52 ms pos2-0.gsr12012.fmt.he.net [64.62.249.121]
16 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms powerapp1.ehpg.net [64.71.165.210]
What about those high spikes I have highlighted?

Where on the west coast are you?

Arizona/Nevada/Seattle?

Ping JupiterHosting.com and tell me what you get

VeriSexy 06-14-2004 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Magg
What about those high spikes I have highlighted?

Where on the west coast are you?

Arizona/Nevada/Seattle?

Ping JupiterHosting.com and tell me what you get

8 32 ms 32 ms 32 ms 32 ms so-5-0-0-0.gar2.Seattle1.Level3.net [65.57.72.9]
9 33 ms 33 ms 32 ms 32 ms so-0-0-0.gar1.Seattle1.Level3.net [209.247.8.161]
10 33 ms 33 ms 32 ms 32 ms so-7-0-0.mp1.Seattle1.Level3.net [64.159.1.81]
11 49 ms 49 ms 49 ms 48 ms so-1-0-0.bbr1.SanJose1.Level3.net [209.247.9.118]
12 50 ms 49 ms 49 ms 49 ms ge-6-0.ipcolo2.SanJose1.Level3.net [64.159.2.4]
13 50 ms 49 ms 49 ms 50 ms [4.79.42.10]
14 50 ms 50 ms 80 ms 80 ms E1-1.BI8-2-TELCO3-COLO7-SPSC.jupiterhosting.com [64.255.167.10]
15 51 ms 51 ms 51 ms 51 ms www.jupiterhosting.com [64.255.160.20]


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