you know - I'm really REALLY leaning towards getting a mac

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  • SleazyDream
    I'm here for SPORT
    • Jul 2001
    • 41470

    #1

    you know - I'm really REALLY leaning towards getting a mac

    I'm getting soooo fucking sick of all the viruses and shit that happens to PCs, i'm sooooo close to going out and buying a mac now....

    sugestions?
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  • AaronM
    GFY Royality ;)
    • Oct 2001
    • 46923

    #2
    Originally posted by SleazyDream
    I'm getting soooo fucking sick of all the viruses and shit that happens to PCs, i'm sooooo close to going out and buying a mac now....

    sugestions?

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    • Space Puppy
      So Fucking Banned
      • Nov 2003
      • 817

      #3
      dont have a big mac youll only getter fatter than you are now porker

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      • SmutGiant
        Confirmed User
        • Oct 2003
        • 4896

        #4
        I work at an advertising agency part time and use an iBook. I'm personally not the biggest mac fan, I luckily am not having any trouble with my PC in terms of viruses and stuff.

        I would just stick to PC's, but hey, no harm in shopping around :http://www.apple.ca

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        • Rorschach
          So Fucking Banned
          • Aug 2002
          • 5579

          #5
          I am a Linux user and I love it, but for an end user, MacOSX = FreeBSD + Dreamweaver and Photoshop natively, infinitely better than M$ crap.

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          • digifan
            The Profiler
            • Oct 2002
            • 14618

            #6
            Buy a G5 and you'll be in heaven...

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            • digifan
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              • Oct 2002
              • 14618

              #7
              Ask quiet he sure will give you the best tip.

              Good luck
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              • sumphatpimp
                Confirmed User
                • Aug 2002
                • 5235

                #8
                give Linux a try.

                you can get SuSe Linux for about 10 or 15 bucks in a store with an install cd on you can download it free from the web.
                With suse linux you can partition your hard drive to be half Microshit and half Linux so you can give it a try and you still have your old Microshit if you need it.

                and their are other versions of Linux too.

                I went with Linux for the same reason you mentioned - virus horseshit just gets to be too much. Now I like Linux a lot better than Microshit. Hardly ever use Microshit now, just some apps not on Linux or I can't find them.

                give it a try, alot more stable than Microshit, and no virus crap.

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                • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                  best designer on GFY
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 30307

                  #9
                  Dont bother dude you will regret it.

                  If anything just get a damn mac if it it does not crush ya.
                  They aint no thing to really consider till ya start video editing and that just a maybe.

                  New Hyperthreading in the chips for PC's is lookin pretty good and does outerform Mac still.


                  Now about these Virus's...

                  STOP SURFING RUSIAN PORN SITES!
                  and if you must...

                  Turn all your security up and accept no shit from any website.
                  No Java Script.
                  No Java.
                  No FLash
                  No VIdeo.

                  Okies?

                  Kool.

                  Oh and maybe update your Virus protecxtion.

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                  • acctman
                    Confirmed User
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 2840

                    #10
                    mac's suck for anything except multimedia. the reason why pc's have more virus is because it's popular. no one has time to make a virus for a mac, hardly anyone uses it.

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                    • SleazyDream
                      I'm here for SPORT
                      • Jul 2001
                      • 41470

                      #11
                      Originally posted by AlienQ
                      Dont bother dude you will regret it.

                      If anything just get a damn mac if it it does not crush ya.
                      They aint no thing to really consider till ya start video editing and that just a maybe.

                      New Hyperthreading in the chips for PC's is lookin pretty good and does outerform Mac still.


                      Now about these Virus's...

                      STOP SURFING RUSIAN PORN SITES!
                      and if you must...

                      Turn all your security up and accept no shit from any website.
                      No Java Script.
                      No Java.
                      No FLash
                      No VIdeo.

                      Okies?

                      Kool.

                      Oh and maybe update your Virus protecxtion.
                      idiot -it's impossible to surf effectivly with security that high.
                      This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                      Now read without the word dog.

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                      • digifan
                        The Profiler
                        • Oct 2002
                        • 14618

                        #12
                        Originally posted by acctman
                        mac's suck for anything except multimedia. the reason why pc's have more virus is because it's popular. no one has time to make a virus for a mac, hardly anyone uses it.
                        You forgot about dtp, desktop publishing and print stuff and much more. He can even use his pc for less risky stuff and the mac won't get infected when networking them.
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                        • SomeCreep
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                          • Mar 2003
                          • 26118

                          #13
                          Too many viruses from surfing the web? Try a browser other than IE.

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                          • Rorschach
                            So Fucking Banned
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 5579

                            #14
                            Originally posted by SomeCreep
                            Too many viruses from surfing the web? Try a browser other than IE.
                            That's a very good point... give Opera a try, it's the shiznit.

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                            • Wiseman
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jan 2002
                              • 2990

                              #15
                              SLEAZY!!!!!
                              I just changed my hole network over to mac's
                              Hooper is now on mac and so is Kris!!
                              I am no computer wiz by any means
                              But the new Mac's kick ass
                              I just baught a G-4 desktop down in my office
                              and a G-4 Powerbook laptop to use upstairs..
                              With the Mac to Windows software you can get you can bring all your shit from your PC over to your Mac...
                              there isnt alot of new shit to learn
                              but let me tell you!!!
                              Some of the Feutures of the mac Kick ASS!!!!!!
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                              • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                best designer on GFY
                                • Mar 2003
                                • 30307

                                #16
                                "idiot -it's impossible to surf effectivly with security that high."

                                Awright...
                                Ya got me there...

                                I have one comp that surfs shit and is a PC beating bag.

                                Basically...
                                It's my catcher if you will.

                                Some of the shit that goes on in Webpages these days peeps that create the shit outah be hunted down like Saddam and given treatments with no vaseline.

                                PC or Mac...
                                Pick your poison really cuz shit flies onto MAC's as well. Its not that the security is more advanced it is simply the fact that it has less development under the hood. That makes it truly more vulnerable when an attack is ensued.

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                                • Shoehorn!
                                  Die With Your Boots On
                                  • Oct 2003
                                  • 22872

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by digifan
                                  Buy a G5 and you'll be in heaven...

                                  Agreed. Best $3800 I've spent in a long time. G5s rule.

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                                  • Ludedude
                                    Suck it!
                                    • Jun 2001
                                    • 4432

                                    #18
                                    MAC

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                                    • Wiseman
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Jan 2002
                                      • 2990

                                      #19
                                      GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MAC!!!!!!!
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                                      • bigdog
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Jul 2001
                                        • 6964

                                        #20
                                        you will like osx if you are paranoid about viruses and trojans

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                                        • Tala
                                          Fucked if I know
                                          • Dec 2002
                                          • 23368

                                          #21
                                          I want a Mac so bad I can almost taste it, and computers taste really funny without A-1.

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                                          • Judas_Hansen
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Oct 2003
                                            • 520

                                            #22
                                            With the right security settings, firewall, antivirus and ad-avare, you will be safe and fast.

                                            I run
                                            Ad-aware PRO
                                            Trend antivirus
                                            Quickfix IE exploitblocker
                                            Spamweed
                                            Kiero Ps Firewall
                                            3. party MSAutoupdater

                                            And in the last 1,5 year NEVER had a virus, trojan, advare or spyware problem

                                            Buy a Fast AMD Opteron based PC with WinXP Pro, and you are home free


                                            When I sell a new system, I GARANTE my customers that it will never fail, if they follow my basis instructions. If the system fails, we will give them all the money back = free computer

                                            PC''s are WORTHLESS if it isent configured right - that why our customers are willing to pay us for the right configuration - but we arent cheap

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                                            • fris
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                                              • Aug 2002
                                              • 55693

                                              #23
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                                              • NoCarrier
                                                We need more free porn
                                                • Mar 2002
                                                • 16356

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                I'm getting soooo fucking sick of all the viruses and shit that happens to PCs, i'm sooooo close to going out and buying a mac now....

                                                sugestions?
                                                Stop opening every fucking e-mail attachments you receive.

                                                Free_Bigmacs.exe is propably a virus, stop clicking on those.

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                                                • Pad
                                                  elephants dont swat flies
                                                  • Aug 2003
                                                  • 1262

                                                  #25
                                                  Never wanna hear that again sleezy



                                                  seriously

                                                  mac=crap

                                                  it's not a worldwide known fact for nothing

                                                  windows forever

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                                                  • Vitasoy
                                                    GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                    • Oct 2003
                                                    • 58202

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by NoCarrier


                                                    Stop opening every fucking e-mail attachments you receive.

                                                    Free_Bigmacs.exe is propably a virus, stop clicking on those.
                                                    LOL


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                                                    • Pad
                                                      elephants dont swat flies
                                                      • Aug 2003
                                                      • 1262

                                                      #27
                                                      hey buy the way mac is t eh sux0r

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                                                      • AdultNex
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Feb 2003
                                                        • 8985

                                                        #28
                                                        Macs own in terms of graphic design work, other than that, they're useless.

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                                                        • bigdog
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                          • 6964

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Judas_Hansen
                                                          With the right security settings, firewall, antivirus and ad-avare, you will be safe and fast.

                                                          I run
                                                          Ad-aware PRO
                                                          Trend antivirus
                                                          Quickfix IE exploitblocker
                                                          Spamweed
                                                          Kiero Ps Firewall
                                                          3. party MSAutoupdater

                                                          And in the last 1,5 year NEVER had a virus, trojan, advare or spyware problem

                                                          Buy a Fast AMD Opteron based PC with WinXP Pro, and you are home free


                                                          When I sell a new system, I GARANTE my customers that it will never fail, if they follow my basis instructions. If the system fails, we will give them all the money back = free computer

                                                          PC''s are WORTHLESS if it isent configured right - that why our customers are willing to pay us for the right configuration - but we arent cheap
                                                          well you never had a virus or trojan that was undetectable , i have seen windows trojans written by people that were undetectable

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                                                          • stocktrader23
                                                            Let's do some business.
                                                            • Jan 2003
                                                            • 18781

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Judas_Hansen


                                                            I run
                                                            Ad-aware PRO
                                                            Trend antivirus
                                                            Quickfix IE exploitblocker
                                                            Spamweed
                                                            Kiero Ps Firewall
                                                            3. party MSAutoupdater

                                                            And in the last 1,5 year NEVER had a virus, trojan, advare or spyware problem

                                                            And my computer doesn't take 30 minutes to boot.


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                                                            • Judas_Hansen
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                                                              • Oct 2003
                                                              • 520

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by stocktrader23


                                                              And my computer doesn't take 30 minutes to boot.
                                                              My mashine use about 20-25 seconds to boot and autologin (and all the services to start)


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                                                              • SleazyDream
                                                                I'm here for SPORT
                                                                • Jul 2001
                                                                • 41470

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Judas_Hansen


                                                                My mashine use about 20-25 seconds to boot and autologin (and all the services to start)


                                                                i get the feeling that you're full of shit and just trying to hack your crap.



                                                                my 'feelings' are usually right.
                                                                This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                • posh rat in hell
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • May 2002
                                                                  • 403

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Up until 1.5 years ago, I've never owned a mac, and used PC's for the previous 15 years. Whenever anyone asked me about apple, I would happily state how they sucked. I am a compulsive buyer, and being subject to boredom, a friend talked me into buying a powerbook g4 (tibook), fast forward 1.5 years, i now have tibook, dual-2 g5 with dual cinema screens, ipod, and have bought ipod, and imac's for friends/family. Anyone who says that mac's are "crap", or "crap for anything that's not design work" are wrong. You can do anything on a mac that you can do on a PC, and you can also do anything on a PC that you can do on a mac. There will be some things you will find that work better on one than the other. Personally, I find that 99% of the things that I do work better on the mac than the pc (and this includes, surfing the web, ssh, testing c programs I write for unix, and so on. OSX is based on FreeBSD, and has apple's UI. Basically that translates into, "designed to be simple enough for an idiot to use, yet has the capabilities to keep an advanced user happy." If you're not willing to learn how to do things again, you won't be happy. Everything is different to some degree, some things are very different. If you are willing to learn, you might be a poster-boy switcher at some point.

                                                                  I bought an iMac for my mother recently, specifically because I got tired of cleaning the computer up every time she got spyware/viruses on there, which was turning into a daily occurance.

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                                                                  • SleazyDream
                                                                    I'm here for SPORT
                                                                    • Jul 2001
                                                                    • 41470

                                                                    #34
                                                                    i'm really leaning towards getting a mac now.........
                                                                    This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                    Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                    • StuartD
                                                                      Sofa King Band
                                                                      • Jul 2002
                                                                      • 29903

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                                      i'm really leaning towards getting a mac now.........
                                                                      You may wanna see this before you go thinking a mac is perfect though....
                                                                      Http://www.sponsorslist.com/mac.wmv

                                                                      Although, that being said... I actually do recommend a mac to people who just know that they'll never get used to a PC. For those people who just know they'll never go beyond the basics of what they need a computer to do... then a Mac is probably the way to go.

                                                                      That's not to say you couldn't, but most people who have a computer, use it for at most, 5 different functions. Surfing, email, word processing.... what ever. But 5 is usually the limit. And if you find that it is your limit, then a Mac might very well be your best bet.
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                                                                      • digifan
                                                                        The Profiler
                                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                                        • 14618

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                                        i'm really leaning towards getting a mac now.........
                                                                        You won''t regret it
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                                                                        • Johnny Gash
                                                                          Registered User
                                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                                          • 41

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by MaskedMan


                                                                          Http://www.sponsorslist.com/mac.wmv
                                                                          Such bullshit. I'm running Panther and no program ever does that. Plus, Photoshop runs a lot smooth on a Mac. I'm stuck using a PC at work for Photoshop designing, ugh.
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                                                                          • quiet
                                                                            we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                                                                            • Sep 2001
                                                                            • 25115

                                                                            #38
                                                                            you definitely won't reget it.

                                                                            OSX rules. and with the new features in panther... damn. get a 17 inch powerbook ;)
                                                                            we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                                                                            • bigdog
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                              • 6964

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by AdultNex
                                                                              Macs own in terms of graphic design work, other than that, they're useless.
                                                                              just wondering have you ever used a mac with OSX?

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                                                                              • Pornwolf
                                                                                Drunk and Unruly
                                                                                • Jan 2002
                                                                                • 22712

                                                                                #40
                                                                                If you are going Mac wait a couple of months. There's going to be a nice powerbook update soon.
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                                                                                • webgurl
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                  • 7954

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  if you get a mac you'll be one of "THOSE" people heheheh the diehard Macintosh users ,
                                                                                  Their Graphics is great lots of benefits with Mac , but i think you might run into some issues with certain programs that are not Mac Compatible ! On the otherhand , i hear lots of great things about them such as the one you mentioned like they never get viruses or if they do its very seldom

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                                                                                  • Pornwolf
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                                                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                                                    • 22712

                                                                                    #42
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                                                                                    • MSB
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                                                      • 2984

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Go for it man!
                                                                                      MAC is just fantastic and amazing and you don't get those problems compared with PC...


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                                                                                      • goBigtime
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Nov 2002
                                                                                        • 7761

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                                                        I'm getting soooo fucking sick of all the viruses and shit that happens to PCs, i'm sooooo close to going out and buying a mac now....

                                                                                        sugestions?





                                                                                        Don't do it sleazy!

                                                                                        With all the mad cow stuff going around right now its just not worth the risks. I hear you on the viruses though.. salmonella is a bitch.

                                                                                        Shit that happens to PC's? oh.. like when you drop a piece of lettuce in the keyboard or something?



                                                                                        (but hell yeah, get an Apple )
                                                                                        Last edited by goBigtime; 12-25-2003, 05:40 PM.

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                                                                                        • Cindyff
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Sep 2002
                                                                                          • 1187

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          [QUOTE]Originally posted by Judas_Hansen
                                                                                          [B]With the right security settings, firewall, antivirus and ad-avare, you will be safe and fast.

                                                                                          I run
                                                                                          Ad-aware PRO
                                                                                          Trend antivirus
                                                                                          Quickfix IE exploitblocker
                                                                                          Spamweed
                                                                                          Kiero Ps Firewall
                                                                                          3. party MSAutoupdater

                                                                                          And in the last 1,5 year NEVER had a virus, trojan, advare or spyware problem

                                                                                          Buy a Fast AMD Opteron based PC with WinXP Pro, and you are home free

                                                                                          You run all that software just so you can use a PC, why ? when a Mac straight out of the box is less prone to getting a virus. I run 10 x G5 dual 2 gigs in my office and we get so much work done its amazing. I dont care if PCs are the fastest or a Mac is the fastest. The fact is my Macs dont crash, if a program crashes the OS is still up and running allowing me to restart the program without re starting the computer, we network all 10 machines and can process images in fractions of a second. Sometimes i have to process 10,000 images which would normally take hours on this set up takes less than 1 hour.

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                                                                                          • goBigtime
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Nov 2002
                                                                                            • 7761

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            [QUOTE]Originally posted by Cindyff
                                                                                            [B]
                                                                                            Originally posted by Judas_Hansen

                                                                                            Buy a Fast AMD Opteron based PC with WinXP Pro, and you are home free

                                                                                            Why bother? WinXP Pro wont take advantage of the Opterons 64bit processor anyway.

                                                                                            I could see if you were a Linux guy and you wanted to run AMD64 maybe.

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                                                                                            • HomeO
                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                              • Jun 2003
                                                                                              • 213

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Depending on what you wanted to use it for .. probably better off with a Mac

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                                                                                              • - AFN -
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Jun 2003
                                                                                                • 3101

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                I'm such a lightweight against the viruses and trojans out there, I'll go buy a TRS 80 or maybe a Commodore Vic 20
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                                                                                                • JSA Matt
                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                  • Aug 2003
                                                                                                  • 5464

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  it's amazing how many people that make a living with computers don't know basic computer maitenance.. these viruses don't download themselves people...

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                                                                                                  • toddler
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Jun 2002
                                                                                                    • 1911

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by sumphatpimp
                                                                                                    give Linux a try.

                                                                                                    you can get SuSe Linux for about 10 or 15 bucks in a store with an install cd on you can download it free from the web.
                                                                                                    With suse linux you can partition your hard drive to be half Microshit and half Linux so you can give it a try and you still have your old Microshit if you need it.

                                                                                                    and their are other versions of Linux too.

                                                                                                    I went with Linux for the same reason you mentioned - virus horseshit just gets to be too much. Now I like Linux a lot better than Microshit. Hardly ever use Microshit now, just some apps not on Linux or I can't find them.

                                                                                                    give it a try, alot more stable than Microshit, and no virus crap.
                                                                                                    Speaking as someone who takes care of linux boxes for a living, linux isn't ready for the desktop. No matter what the /. crowd says. Buy a mac. You'll love it. With OSX you get the power and stability of UNIX, and all of the productivity apps you use. Photoshop, flash, whatever else. Sure you can do
                                                                                                    all that on a linux box, but its just not the same. (Again, speaking as someone who supports linux boxes in a CAD env)
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