The Armed Citizen

wow bad ass Store owner!

Maybe it's time they stop making those guns so easily available...

Less guns > less criminal activities?

Reads to me as though the store owner exercised a very, very high level of effective GUN CONTROL!

i like armed citizens

Where's the punchline?

Come to a country with gun control and you will see store owners been jailed because they were protecting their stuff.
Gun control is a joke, real criminals will not ask a gun permit or buy a piece at a local gun store, they will buy it on the black market.


As an example, in my country now if you own a rottweiler, bulldog, dobberman, or other "dangerous" dog you have to get a special permit. And more, you are not allowed to breed that kind of dogs, a dangerous dog is like a weapon.
Drug lords keep breeding pitbulls and using them to welcome cops when they raid their apartments.


Gun control only fit to "normal" people, criminals will never be "controled"

Do you live in The People's Republic of The UK?

has nothing to do with guns, its a mentality thing. Canada has more guns per citizen and almost no gun related crimes.

castillo's won't be getting robbed again.

Yeah, right and when they do, the cops there seek mental health help......FOR THEMSELVES!

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/north/story...ings-reax.html

Cape Dorset gun crimes rattle Mounties

The entire RCMP detachment in Cape Dorset, Nunavut, has taken stress leave in light of recent gun violence in the Baffin Island community, including two incidents this week alone, according to the territory's top Mountie.

Chief Supt. Steve McVarnock said the remote Arctic hamlet's four RCMP officers have been rattled by the incidents, which include a 3½-hour armed standoff and suspicious death on Sunday, and a firefight with two gun-toting youths on Wednesday.

"You just don't know how it's going to unfold, how it's going to resolve. And waiting for help from Iqaluit, even though [Cape Dorset is] only a 50-minute plane ride away from Iqaluit, it can seem like an eternity when, you know, you're being shot at," McVarnock told CBC News on Thursday.

"So when you add up that stress level, the body and the mind can only take so much."

The RCMP have yet to announce what, if any, charges will be laid against the two youths involved in Wednesday's shootout. Both are in custody, with one recovering from a non-life-threatening wound in hospital in Iqaluit, Nunavut's capital city.

RCMP say the Cape Dorset Mounties' efforts to negotiate with the armed youths early Wednesday morning ended when the youths allegedly opened fire down a residential street.

The officers returned fire once, and the youths surrendered afterward, police said.


Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/north/story/2010/10/14/nunavut-cape-dorset-shootings-reax.html#ixzz18TyGn8sF"

I'd hate to see what this batch of Redcoat pussies would be like after a couple of days in Compton!

or next time the robbers will shoot to kill first and not bother with attempting to tie anyone up.

Oh, yeah, blame the citizen for the actions of scumbags.


"Oh, please Mr. Sociopath, don't shoot Little Old Me!"

if we are to assume that there is learning involved because of this event, then it works both ways. From a potential robber's frame of mind, the next logical step in the learning process for that store would be to shoot to kill, don't ask questions.

it's a two-way street.

pt : Portugal ?

Entirely a false and baseless assumption, backed up with nothing but uneducated speculation. You assume that robbers are rational in the first place.

For a little dose of REALITY; a thing with which you are nearly completely unfamiliar, go here:

http://www.nraila.org/armedcitizen/

your argument is equally baseless. You assume that the next potential robber would change his mind about robbing the store simply because the last group was killed.

It is you that needs a dose of reality.

i assume you dont like canadians but my point is still valid

indeed. robbers are rational only when it comes to being scared of being killed? but irrational when it comes to just going in there, shooting to kill? error.

These robbers changed their minds..........................

"Two armed robbers entered the Play N Trade video game store in Fresno, Calif. and forced the customers inside to the ground. In response, the store owner retrieved a gun and fired at the criminals, striking one and causing both to flee. A short time later, the robber shot by the store owner was found dead in a nearby neighborhood. Police do not plan to charge the store owner, with Fresno Police Lt. Mark Salazar stating, “Everything so far… indicates they were within their rights.” (The Fresno Bee, Fresno, Calif. 12/12/10)"

http://www.nraila.org/armedcitizen/

" The Topeka Capital Journal, Topeka, KS, 01/23/07
State: KS
American Rifleman Issue: 4/1/2007

Kansas' concealed carry law took effect January 1, 2007. On January 19, two armed men burst into a gas station owned by Dean Yee. According to police, they twice demanded money from Yee while holding him at gunpoint. A customer inside the store, however, had a concealed-carry permit. He shouted for the robbers to drop their weapons. When they refused, he shot one suspect before the other fled. Station owner Yee feels lucky to be alive. "I would have been shot in the chest," he told 27 News. Kansas Sen. Phil Journey, (R-Haysville) added," Hopefully this will put other criminals and thugs on notice that Kansas is a different state today than it was just 20 days ago."

Gun Control In North Korea:

The next logical step in the learning process is to find an easier target. Risk vs. Reward. Running in guns blazing at this store just because you know the proprietor is armed still has a high percentage of risk.

violence begets violence.

shooting criminals has very obviously not stopped further crime. If you think it has, you're dreaming. Crime still happens, as we speak.

OK, Reverend Amputate, because a lawfully armed citizen offs a bad guy who was trying to kill the lawfully armed citizen, the action is going to beget more violence. No more violence from the dead perp at least!

Go back to reading your primitive Bronze Age tomes, preferably in a cave on a desert isalnd, in which place you can really do no harm.

if we're going to discuss risk assessment, the risk for that particular store has just been greatly reduced. Information is power. We now know he is armed and willing to shoot. Therefore, going in and taking out the store owner right up front is much less risk than hitting a different store where these factors are still unknown.

It seems you prefer to live in your pipe dream where wannabe cowboys are the solution to everything, and that's fine. I have made my point, several times over.

Lets see if that store gets robbed again. I am simply stating the risk vs. reward of robbing a store with a known armed proprietor. I am not talking about crime in general.

With that said you state "shooting criminals has very obviously not stopped further crime". How do you know? Do you have statistics for establishments that have killed attempted robbers yet were robbed again or are you just referring to an increased crime rate over a period of time that the population has been growing and poverty has increased.

Apples and Oranges.

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-i...-carry-florida

"Janet Reno's Ban on Open Carry in Florida

* October 21st, 2010 7:04 am ET
* By Sean Caranna, Orlando Gun Rights Examiner

In 1987 Florida became a "Shall-Issue" state for concealed carry licenses. At the time, Florida had the country?s second highest murder rate and there was much debate about allowing people to arm themselves. Opponents said that there would be ?blood in the streets? and simple fender benders would turn in to roadside gun fights.

To ensure that gun owners would not be met with thousands of differing local regulations, the state legislature also passed preemption of all firearms laws. Amongst the ordinances invalidated was Dade County?s ban on openly carrying an unconcealed handgun.

Janet Reno, State Attorney for Dade County at the time, called on the legislature to close what she called a loophole in the new statewide carry laws and outright ban Open Carry throughout the state. Having just lost their fight against Shall-Issue concealed carry, the future US Attorney General, a handful of Florida Sheriffs and Police Chiefs, and newspapers statewide went on the offensive to call for a special session of the legislature to close what they dubbed the ?Dodge City Loophole?.

NRA lobbyist Marion Hammer initially fought the open carry ban, explaining that allowing state wide open carry was not a loophole but a carefully planned and considered provision of the carry laws. NRA then announced that they would not fight the open carry ban at that time but pick up the issue during the next regular legislative session. The reason given was to delay implementation of open carry provisions while people became accustomed to concealed carry. While in special session over an unrelated tax matter, the legislature added the open carry ban to the agenda and quickly passed the measure.

23 years later, the Open Carry Ban that Janet Reno so skillfully lobbied for still stands in Florida. What has not lasted are the 1987 predictions of gun control advocates. In fact, crime is down dramatically in Florida since carrying a firearm became legal in public. Citiziens lawfully carrying handguns has been proven so effective in reducing violent crime that many in law enforcement have changed their tune on the matter. The "Shall-Issue" concealed carry movement that started in Florida has been so successful that it has spread to most of the country. Nationwide, violent crime is down everywhere that carrying a handgun has become common.

Florida Governer hopeful Rick Scott agrees that Open Carry should be legal in Florida saying ?As a member of the NRA and a hunter, I?m a strong supporter of the Second Amendment and I will protect our fundamental right to keep and bear arms. Florida is one of only seven states with wide prohibition on carrying an unconcealed firearm. Repealing the ban on unconcealed or Open Carry will eliminate practical and constitutional problems in Florida.?

Like another Orlando Sentinel writer in 1987, today Mike Thomas still uses hyperbole, distortions, and false imagery of the open carry movement to skew public opinion. Mr. Thomas asserts that your Second Amendment civil rights should not receive the same protections as the rest of the Bill of Rights by using the common false argument that "a badly written letter never killed anyone." Mr. Thomas is obviously not a student of history having forgotten about such publications as "Mein Kampf", "The Communist Manifesto", and "Quotations from Chairman Mao Zedong"; three written works that were used as justification for the deaths of tens of millions of people. They also all advocate a disarmed society.

In America, open carry is now legal in 43 states and no license is required in the majority of them. Even those who once predicted blood in the streets and that people will be afraid of the sight of guns in public have changed their attacks to now just calling open carry silly and Freudian. That is fine by me. We don't ban widely utilized methods of exercising civil rights in this country just because some people think it is silly. It is time for Florida gun owners to come out of the closet and repeal the Janet Reno Open Carry Ban."

Crime still exists. That's how I know. No "deterrents" have put an end to violent crime yet, up to and including the death penalty. Statistics are irrelevant, but if you need some you need look no further than the current prison populations.

Most robbers have done it before
Most are not very bright
Most don't have any training with a gun
Most are not afraid of jail, Jail is better than their pathetic lives, they get cable

I don't care about them, even my daughter has a carry permit

Crazy Ernies Blog ...

I made a rant on my daily blog about guns and this more and more makes me feel I am right about gun control. Some of it isn't about guns but #5 is. I know I'm going to get some hostile reaction to this but our small town here in Michigan just had another murder for no damn reason. It's insane.


1. Legalize Marijuana and TAX it. Remember Prohibition? Alcohol was illegal. So, it went underground and was readily available to any person that wanted it. Finally the idiots in Washington decided, under pressure, to legalize and TAX it. Tons of money started to come in and to this day still does. Who, but the underground, was making tons of money on alcohol during prohibition. How about smoking? About 25-30% of the public smokes and cigarettes are heavily TAXED and tons of money is coming in on that. Marijuana would be no different. Legalize it and TAX it. Just like alcohol, if you are caught drunk driving you pay fines. If you are caught driving under the influence of Marijuana - you get some heavy fines. There is money to be made here if the politicians would just get their brains working right. WHY let underground crooks make money by selling it on street corners. Think of the murders that would not happen because of crooks trying to dominate certain areas. Maybe those crooks will go get a regular job instead of terrorizing neighborhoods with gang bang shootings, etc. Think about it.

2. Legalize prostitution. It's the worlds oldest profession isn't it? Been here since caveman days. Make women prostitutes (and male prostitutes) get licensed and have monthly medical checkups for diseases. And, make them pay TAXES on their income. Why do you want illegal Pimps making tons of money on this, now illegal, unreported income. And, how about the Pimps that mistreat their hookers, beat them and cheat them out of money. Let's put prostitution into a legal profession and TAX it like any other profession. Think about it.

3. Put at least a 300% TAX on Rap and Hip Hop recordings. Notice I did not say MUSIC as it absolutely does not represent music in any way. The lyrics are sickening our youth in a heavy way. Kill cops, misuse ho's, do drugs and on and on. Absolute total insanity, and these so-called artists are making millions of dollars putting out this trash to brainwash our kids. TAX it heavily and maybe it will go away and save our kids ... if not, bring this TAX money in to help pay our national debt. Think about it.

4. Put a $500 fine on people that turn their auto and/or home boom boxes on where you can hear the drums and bass a city block away. I personally don't want to be forced to hear that trash pounding my ears. $1000 on second offense. Give us ordinary citizens ears a rest from this junk pounding crap ... we DON'T want to share this garbage with you. Think about it.

5. Have every county and parish build a gun storage unit and make ALL citizens (Police exempt) pay a fee to store your weapons 24/7/365. Your weapons will be under supervised lock and key at all times. If you want to go hunting, range shooting or competition shooting you go check your gun out for that time period and return it within 24 hours after your gun related action is over. Otherwise, ABSOLUTELY NO GUNS in private hands unless legally owned and checked in and out of the supervised unit. IF you are caught with a gun not in the legal system you go to jail - no bond - minimum 5 years automatic jail time. 10 years second offense. Life 3rd offense. Just think of the murders and killings and robberies this would eliminate. Look at your daily news and just see how many gun crimes are being committed even as I type this. NO GUNS IN CITIZENS HANDS UNLESS LEGALLY OWNED AND LEGALLY CHECKED OUT OF THE SUPERVISED UNIT. PERIOD. The thieves and crooks would be speechless on this kind of law. Violent crime would definately go down. And, there would be money coming in from the storage unit where the guns are legally held for you. Think about it.

May Make some people mad but it makes sense to me and many people I talk with daily.

NOW, PLEASE Y'ALL HAVE A MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILIES.

LMAO< OK, compare here, what house do you think is going to get robbed moron

As more people get armed, crime goes down, it's been proven, why? Less breathing criminals

is that why the prison populations are at an all time high?

everybody in swiss has a gun, very few gun related crimes there.

If more victims we're carrying, the population of the prisons would be less,the morgue would be doing banner business though!!!!!

(2010 - prison population) "For the first time in nearly 40 years, the number of state prisoners in the United States has declined. Survey data compiled by the Public Safety Performance Project of the Pew Center on the States, in partnership with the Association of State Correctional Administrators, indicate that as of January 1, 2010, there were 1,404,053 persons under the jurisdiction of state prison authorities, 4,777 (0.3 percent) fewer than there were on December 31, 2008.1 This marks the first year-to-year drop in the state prison population since 1972.

Well there has been a record amount of ammo sales lately

i wonder what the overall total is (federal, et al).

Like they did with cigarettes? see what a pack of Marlboro cost now?

How many girls want to be on a national database with their real names, yeah, that will work
So you're for censorship"
they can already go after them and it's a pretty good fine, the cops just don;'t care to enforce it in some places

I have guns that are over 100 years old, you think I'm going to let some shithead public servant take care of a gun thats an antique? Who's going to oil the wood, the barrel, you've probably never owned a gun, so stick with what you know about, but as I can see so far, thats very little

The drug war.

Robbers tend to seek out easier, alternative targets when possible...

However, if that particular jewelery store is the only big one in town and/or has something highly valuable that other similar stores don't have, then, ironically, that store owner is now at greater risk of getting robbed violently in the future.

That's the main reason banks instruct their employees to hit the emergency call button and to hand over some cash without any fuss.

Robbers / burglers, in a matter of speaking, do a rough cost / benefit analysis ... those places with lots of cash and/or highly valuable goods that are easily converted to cash are at substantial risk no matter what - in those instances, violence may bring more violence.

And yet for the average residence with little cash on the premises and relative few valuables, having guns and/or vicious dogs are often a worthwhile deterrent.

Again, it comes down to cost / reward ... the reward for breaking into most homes is relatively low and hence not worth doing unless it's very easy and safe. In contrast, the reward for stealing from a jewelery store is so high that even if the store owner is heavily armed, it may still be worth the risk. Security is not a clear-cut thing ... sometimes being armed is better, sometimes not - depends on the situation.

Ron

whatever it is it's too many. and non-violent offenders make up a significant portion of prison pops. and there's also a direct correlation b/w privatizing prisons and the increase in prison pops.

Why are you quoting me and calling me a moron when my view is in the same ballpark as yours? Read what I wrote again. This time a bit more slowly.

honestly what a fucking idiot you must be man

if you think its ok to kill someone because they rob you of anything then you are sick and twisted and whatever shit country you live in is fucking messed up

Statistically speaking, the armed citizen is far more likely to have his weapon involved in hurting himself or a family member than to ever use it in some sort of defense situation.

The People's Republic of Portugal


I guess the rest of EU is pretty much the same, criminals are treated as victims and the real victims are forgotten, hey this is the Europe (EU), fuck yeah!

What if they shoot you or someone in your family? Is it ok then?

So am I missing something, or are you proud of the fact that your country is full of gangbanging ghettos in need of paramilitary police units to keep the thug negros under control? ? It's a story from Nunavit for fuck sakes, which basically amounts to barren tundra in the far north. A town of around 1000 people in the middle of buttfuck nowhere, probably a large population of drunken drug addicted Indians. Is your average small town American cop fucking Rambo or something? You got tons of shootouts with the highschool population in yor average 1000 person american town? How would they hold up getting dropped on the beat in the middle of Compton? God you are so fucking stupid...

And just where are those statistics?

Links, please!

Proof or ban!*






* I just wanted to write that as so many assholes around here are so very fond of the phrase!

"the only way to solve violence is to ratchet it up a bit. you dont want to be perceived as a pussy do you? ok then pull the fucking trigger"

- generic Right-Wing retard

Evidently all these Jews are also stupid. They hang out here:

http://jpfo.org/

JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP



JPFO GENOCIDE CHART

...don't mess with Texas

So if someone breaks into your house, you would ask them if they are there to kill you or rob you, then take the appropriate measures? Someone comes in my house thru a locked door or window, they won't leave, period!

Sorry, I read it wrong, my bad