JR Graphic Design WARNING

Just want that you pay attention before hire this guy.

I was scammed in $550 for a shitty design and miss part of the job i paid for. Look at some of the conversation with this guy (sorry my english but you will understand that this guy is a scam).

Its a long conversation but it can save you some money with this guy, im not an active member here but i found some good people here and want do it in future.


JR Graphic Design 20-08-2012 11:50
Ok, how many pages do you need?
Homemade-voyeur.com 20-08-2012 11:50
only 2 page
main and video page
JR Graphic Design 20-08-2012 11:52
Okay no problem I can do that for you
Homemade-voyeur.com 20-08-2012 11:56
can you tell me the time and price you do for this kind of job?
JR Graphic Design 20-08-2012 11:57
I charge 650 for a full page design
For a video page with the same theme an extra 200
Homemade-voyeur.com 20-08-2012 11:59
i was looking for something around $300 all
but thanks anyways
JR Graphic Design 20-08-2012 11:59
well I have a promotion for first time clients
-50% off for the first project
So I can do it for 425 if that fits your budget

Homemade-voyeur.com 03-09-2012 23:17
can you remember de final price with code
JR Graphic Design 03-09-2012 23:18
Prices:
2 Page Tour Site
$425 2 Page Tour Design
$125 2 Page Integration



Now start the scamm:



JR Graphic Design 04-09-2012 20:33
I would require full payment, because I have to pay my programmer
for the integration
but I have a very good reputation, so you have nothing to worry about
the coding we will have to talk about to see how your system works and I can talk to the programmer to about the time needed for that
Homemade-voyeur.com 04-09-2012 20:36
yes
i will integrate in predator cms
JR Graphic Design 04-09-2012 20:37
ok
so just send over the total amount to paypal at: [email protected]
Homemade-voyeur.com 04-09-2012 20:41
$550 right?
JR Graphic Design 04-09-2012 20:42
yes
Homemade-voyeur.com 04-09-2012 20:44
Joao, you have sent $550.00 USD to AnyoneVIP.com.



Homemade-voyeur.com 11-09-2012 20:04
you only send me the psd
JR Graphic Design 11-09-2012 20:06
the coding part I had a guy to do it, but I don't trust him to work with your code for the first time
I would recommend your guy handle the code
for the 150$ I can credit it for design in the future project
Homemade-voyeur.com 11-09-2012 20:07
first you ask me money to code
then tell me that is to low
then tell me that found a guy
JR Graphic Design 11-09-2012 20:07
not that, i don't trust him enough, its an outsource guy and I want it to be 100% good
its for your benifit
Homemade-voyeur.com 11-09-2012 20:08
so please send me the $150 back
JR Graphic Design 11-09-2012 20:09
I can't refund the money at this time, I can give you a credit for your next job




Homemade-voyeur.com 11-09-2012 20:14
i only want what i paid
2 design pages coded
im not asking much because i paid for that
JR Graphic Design 11-09-2012 20:14
okay but the quality for 150 coding is very low just warning you
Homemade-voyeur.com 11-09-2012 20:15
man, the price was what you ask me for the project
we will see at the end
i read some good things about you on gfy
i will also tell my experience with you
JR Graphic Design 11-09-2012 20:16
yes but my other customers budgets were x3 times more
I'm trying to work with your budget
Homemade-voyeur.com 11-09-2012 20:16
and hope it will be a good words
you charge me the right price
just did me the 50% discount
JR Graphic Design 11-09-2012 20:17
yes, a bit more than that though more like 70%
Homemade-voyeur.com 11-09-2012 20:17
i paid because you tell me that will do a good job
JR Graphic Design 11-09-2012 20:17
yes do you not like the design?
Homemade-voyeur.com 11-09-2012 20:17
why you only tell me it after my payment?
i never say that dont like the design
just want what i bought
nothing more



JR Graphic Design 11-09-2012 20:19
yes the coding for 2 tour pages requires more time
Homemade-voyeur.com 11-09-2012 20:19
i didnt pay for a low code
JR Graphic Design 11-09-2012 20:19
coders work at 50$ at least
an hour
I told you I was outsourcing it
Homemade-voyeur.com 11-09-2012 20:19
but i only pay what you ask me
and paid for a good work
JR Graphic Design 11-09-2012 20:20
im giving you my honest opinion, i dont want you to get a poor coding result
Homemade-voyeur.com 11-09-2012 20:20
me too
but this is your part
Homemade-voyeur.com 11-09-2012 20:20
im the client
JR Graphic Design 11-09-2012 20:20
so I won't let my guy do it if he isn't going to do a 100% good job on it
Homemade-voyeur.com 11-09-2012 20:20
and pay the full project to you
for me its not a money question
JR Graphic Design 11-09-2012 20:21
yes your right, I didn't know that you didn't understand the budget restraints
before starting
Homemade-voyeur.com 11-09-2012 20:21
you dont tell me
i just ask and you told me the price
then i pay
i only stay with you because of the price
and you know that
you told me that will do a good job for that price
JR Graphic Design 11-09-2012 20:23
yes I did, I take care of the design, and I told you I could outsource the coding part
if you needed
you said yes, you have 150, i told you I will see what I can do, because the budget is low, and my guy that can do that is from india, and now that I talk to him, im not 100% satisfied that he will do a good job
Homemade-voyeur.com 11-09-2012 20:24
you only told that after the payment
JR Graphic Design 11-09-2012 20:24
so instead of wasting the 150 on a guy I don't trust I will refund you the money to do on a design project
Homemade-voyeur.com 11-09-2012 20:24
not before the payment
JR Graphic Design 11-09-2012 20:24
yes I should of warned you before hand that the budget was way too constrained
but I believed that all you needed was basic html coding
but you needed it integrated into predator cms
so that will require more specialty and custom coding work
the coding quote was for basic html coding
not custom integration into predator cms



Homemade-voyeur.com 11-09-2012 20:28
why you dont refund the money btw?
JR Graphic Design 11-09-2012 20:28
because I don't have the money anymore, I can credit it
for your next design project
Homemade-voyeur.com 11-09-2012 20:29
but you will have money 1 day or no?
i already told that dont want future projects
JR Graphic Design 11-09-2012 20:29
I can credit it for your next project
Homemade-voyeur.com 11-09-2012 20:29
just forget it


This is all from our conversation, hope it can save you some money

"Homemade-voyeur.com 11-09-2012 20:17
why you only tell me it after my payment?
i never say that dont like the design "

So you start threads saying he copied some other design, then you post icq convo where you say you like the design... What is it???

This icq convo is only to show about the scam of not doing all the job (the design is poor but was not my point here). And is not the full conversation here, some parts of it.

I dont earn nothing to post it and loose my time putting it here, just want alert some future guys.

Sik talk about design quality because he is inside the biz, im only talking about the deal i did and was not delivery.

fuck...thanks for the head sup

This isn't about copying, the point is about CRAP quality of the job all together and failure to deliver what was paid for AND refusing to refund.

You're welcome to say what you think about his "copy" ;)

Go waste your time somewhere else...

You're the first person I have ever worked for that has done nothing but complain and bitch about every little thing. Every time I try finding a solution to your budget needs you just shoot it away and complain I'm scamming you. You don't even give me the chance to work with you and fix it, all you keep talking about is you're scamming me you're scamming me, etc etc.

Please, when your partner learns how to speak proper English and can articulate exactly what he wants and how he wants it I'm sure he won't run into so many problems from the other designers. I'm not the first person that has alerted me about Homemade-Voyeurs lack of professionalism and incompetence when it comes to getting design work done.

In the future I would warn other designers not to work with Homemade-Voyeurs because of the non stop problems he has.

JR_GraphicDesign, it would be fair to refund the money for a service you couldn't provide. What is with the 'future credit' when the client clearly states he doesn't want to work with you anymore?

It's like "give me $100 to bring you some water". After 5 minutes, "sorry, I don't have any water, but I'll keep the $100 maybe you'll need bread in the future". WTF?

Because he changed the project requirements. From basic HTML coding, to integration into predator cms.

Homemade-voyeur.com 04-09-2012 20:36
yes
i will integrate in predator cms
JR Graphic Design 04-09-2012 20:37
ok
so just send over the total amount to paypal at: xxx

He mentioned Predator CMS before payment was made.
No?

Yes he just said "HE" would take care of the predator cms integration.

Talked with Jason on ICQ, he gave me more info.
As I said, I would just refund the money and that would be it

$me out of this thread, I hope it ends well for both parties

well, this is how mr Jason resolves refund issues:


JR Graphic Design 11.9.2012. 22:51
I hope 150 isn't such a big deal

SIK 11.9.2012. 22:52
ok

SIK 11.9.2012. 22:52
send 150 to my paypal

SIK 11.9.2012. 22:52
or his

SIK 11.9.2012. 22:52
I hope it isn't such a big deal?

JR Graphic Design 11.9.2012. 22:52
it is sorry

Thats probably the most hilarious part ever.

You do realize he told you that you are too expensive?
You do realize YOU are the one that offered discount?
You do realize "budget work method" was mentioned only after YOU GOT PAID IN FULL?
You do realize thats fraudulent, unethic and highly unprofessional?

Fucking idiotic really.
I'm gonna sell my car tommorow, when I'm fully paid I'll deliver the car without the engine.
THEN I'll say its a budget version coz the guy bartered on the price.

Ah well, as I said, good luck with your business

Oh my...
Full payment to guy with sig sounds like:

JR Graphic Design
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Website Coming Soon...


Epic fail

Oh man this sucks on all levels, thought JR was good and had a good rep after reading this and him not refunding you really saddens me. Good luck in the future bud.

ya really, why would you pay a designer that has posted a "portfolio" on imgur? that seems pretty unprofessional in itself; most designers have a real portfolio on their own website.

Business has tripled since the creation of this thread, thank you for the free advertisement.

Bump to a good deal

I see the problem here.

The delivered product looks nothing like the clients brief/specifications. But clients expectaion of paying $300 was highly unrealistic.

Ive told you on icq JR. Your too agressive.. you think your the big shizzle but your not...

Predator is a piece of piss to intergrate.
Indian coders do not charge $50+ an hour. When I was open to the public my junior would handle my coding and we charged $20 an hour for her... and she fuckin rocks.. And shes european.

Your at 150 posts and i've seen you attack a few folks here becuase your the big shizzle and they are idiots.
Hell I didn't start that shit until i was at least 1k posts and been here 3 years.. with some quality work and skills to back up my arrogance. And as history shows.. it didn't work out so well for me.. and i'm ten times better/faster than you are.

You abslolutoly HAVE to pay this man back for work you have not done. Your rep will be destroyed if you don't...

And stolenvid crew... stop looking for bargains and you might not get these nasty surprises.

JR_GraphicDesign you should really refund the money back to him, if I was him, a credit is basically same thing as a big f*ck you, you aren't getting a refund because why the hell would I want to work with a designer who I've had crappy time with in the first place? He wasn't happy with your work because you didn't deliver what you've promised him BEFORE he paid you. I just can't stand it when I buzz people and they are all nice as hell and once the money is paid, they treat me like a scum. That sucks man....

Bump for only graphic designers who care about this thread.

Damn that sucks. I don't see a money back guarantee.

What are you the Pope of GFY? Gimme-website has ordained misery and suffering on all that do not follow her guidance!

Secondly, I never said Indian programmers charge 50 an hour, I said the good ones charge at least that.

Thirdly, I never said I was the "Big Shizzle" on GFY, but I do have a list of clients that keep coming back and do not give a shit what this stupid thread has to say.

Fourthly, since when does my post count on a forum determine whether I am allowed to defend myself against other people that talk shit about me?

Fifthly, I don't care if you're apparently better or worse than me at designing.

Then that is settled.
Stop following me round like a fucking puppy on icq...
Im not your buddy. And I dont want to hear a fucking running commentory on your fucking day 5 times a day....

You are not a designer... You are a hustler. Your interest is not in providing a good service and making a good rep for yuorself. Your interest is solely to extract money from people.
And fuck them if they dont like what you deliver....

NOw to retort

1. No im not the pope, Im a cynical bitch who speaks her mind.
2. SO pay him back....NO coder was hired.
3. yur acting like you are. If you indeed DID have a long list of clients.. wheres your portfolio? WHy are you saying to me on icq "i gottta take the cheap jobs to keep work coming in" *or something simular..
4. POst count .. well yeah it means fuck all. MOre posts=bigger ego here. What im more saying is youve been here a few weeks...You think you know how GFY works.. YOu think yo know how to play the GFY game...You don't.
5. I don't think your a time served designer. I think your making this up as you go along. NObody is talking shit about you, They are speaking the TRUTH about you. BAcked up wth screenshots..ANd in the face of this, you still continue play the arrogant fucker. I said im a better designer than you not to have a pissing contest. Its more about your fee/quality ratio.
You are trying to charge folks exactly the same fee i do...SO i feel entitled to comment and compare.

6. Now here one i reserved till the end. It's one of my former clients you have mugged.

I managed to destroy my own business with a sucky attitude... It will be my pleasure to watch you do the same thing.. carry on.

You live in a dream world Gimme-dildo

Dreamworld???
"im a designer" "i got hundreds of satisfied clients" "my work is good" " i can that no problem" " i deliver" ... SO do you motherfucker.

Your no designer.. Your TRYING to be a designer by walking in our shoes. That's why your hitting us all up and annoying the fuck out of us. (or am i the only one)??

Well... this is from BEFORE any work was needed or anything commisioned, when mr JR randomly added me:


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SIK 1.9.2012. 14:49
hmm, sup?

JR Graphic Design 1.9.2012. 17:08
Hey how are you?

SIK 1.9.2012. 17:09
good, good

SIK 1.9.2012. 17:09
how can I help you?

JR Graphic Design 1.9.2012. 17:12
I wanted to know if you or someone you knew needed a designer to do galleries/banners/websites etc?

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So... I kinda doubt he got "hundreds" of clients, au contraire.

this is boring

Good to know

No, its a character assassination. And its super fun for everyone except the person on the recieving end.

Welcome to GFY. This s how we do stuff round here...

Heh, SIK can be the client from hell like i, not once, have told him, however he is a good dude and a serious client, at least to me.

Of course i do not know the full story, however not refunding money that do not cover work, be it one dollar or one million, it is wrong, simple as that.

Okay so you think it's okay to assume judgement on someone without knowing all the facts? Great system you follow there buddy, I'll be sure to care about your opinion.

It is wrong of him indeed, so I'll take the liberty to repeat the facts:

JR_GraphicDesign WAS paid a full price he quoted, in advance.
JR_GraphicDesign DID NOT do a quality job, he delivered CRAP (ok, thats my personal/professional opinion, see stolenvids design in post #1, it sucks donkey balls).
JR_GraphicDesign DID NOT deliver all parts of the job as agreed.
JR_GraphicDesign REFUSED to refund money reserved for coding which was NEVER done or delivered.

Hopefully no confusion about the facts happens now.

AGreed..

Agreed

Bottom line.
If yur a designer and you want to earn profit from your gigs. Don't work for SIK.
If your a client and you want your product. Don't hire JR

I did not assume judgement on anyone, i have generally said that keeping money that do not cover work is wrong. I did not say it is or it is not your case. Pay attention while reading.

It does not matter if the client tries to get you or simply does not know how to explain the project, in my opinion it is your job to set all project details clear and work accordingly and if the client asks for a refund, as long as i did not work for those money, i will refund the amount, however if i did move a finger and work for those money, now that is indeed discutable.

I think you provided a bad client experience and on top of that, you are now being aggressive and arrogant towards the client and everyone else and that, in my book, it's not good business.

Anyhow, g'luck to both of you.

JR what a fucking scammer give the guy his money back your designs are truley shitty i could photoshop that in ten minutes for free

NO you couldnt chris... You tried.. you failed...you turned to thieving instead... and you failed at that too.

SIK,You might have better luck posting this in 'Fucking Around & Program Discussion'
;)

Always deliver what you agreed to. Can be frustrating to loose a coin but you win in a long run. It's never smooth but good business relations it's something to build with time, find 'your' clients and 'your' designers. Good luck to the parties.

I wish I would have seen this shit earlier.....

I was in a pinch and paid him $300 per FHG and he just sent me a bunch of photoshop files. He obviously doesn't know anything about code. I made a fuss about it and he sent me "kinda" useable pages, he said that "codeing wasn't included in the price". He used some of my previous code from another gallery that Anna made to put something together. He didn't even know how to incorporate the flashing animated gif he made into the page and instead used "hotspots" to link the join buttons.

I can make pretty non functional photoshop pages myself, I pay designers to make FUNCTIONAL FHG's.

I feel really ripped off in the process.

Hey hit me up I can try and help you out, no charge if its something simle as coding..

Only idiot can trust this kind of logo. Looks like made in the 80's of 10 years old kid

SCAMMER.. stay clear , he burned us as well.

Scammer warning!

the first mistake was paying $600. the OP could probably find people willing to do that for $100 or less. and that way if he didn't like the result, he could hire someone else for a second $100.

I wish it was a system on GFY where the user gave rating to the designer, that way others could see who to choose.

And also the designers have to add their skills, and if they do not deliver they should pay back their client OR get booted from GFY network. I have never paid anyone for service here, but i am considering and from reading all these post on forum i see there is a lot of cowboys calling themselfs for web guru's.

I am not a god in PS but i can make logos and fix fhg's, so i would expect that a webdesigner can do easy coding and kick ass design's.